Proposal “DAO-treasury“ (Active)Back

Title:DAO treasury. Improvement.
Owner:kotbykot
Monthly amount: 1 DASH (46 USD)
Completed payments: no payments occurred yet (5 month remaining)
Payment start/end: 2025-10-07 / 2026-03-05 (added on 2025-10-16)
Final voting deadline: in 19 days
Votes: 371 Yes / 353 No / 17 Abstain
Will be funded: No. This proposal needs additional 323 Yes votes to become funded.
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Proposal description

I propose temporarily revising the method for distributing funds from the DAO treasury.
All proposals should begin with a description of their effectiveness. Identify proposed key performance indicators (KPIs), which are measurable metrics for assessing the achievement of goals and the effectiveness of business processes. Each proposal should include a link to a forum where the proposal owner should report on what was and was not accomplished with the allocated funds, as well as the reasons why the plan was not implemented.

I also propose that the forum discuss and put to a vote mechanisms that will prevent the ineffective use of funds.
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/preparing-a-proposal-to-protect-the-dao-budget.68335/

What was the trigger?
I'll give examples of budget waste that demonstrate how poorly the current funding system works. There are many examples, but I'll just give a few.

Dash Incubator
The most appalling example of incompetent fundraising is Dash Incubator. Rion spent $1.6 million on Dash Incubator. That's a colossal amount of money, and yet the community didn't get a single product. There's not a single example of a successful project or product developed by programmers hired by Dash Incubator, with the exception of Platform Explorer, which is still being developed by the pshenmic team. Rion mismanaged money, paid unqualified people huge sums of money, apparently didn't conduct any interviews, and wasn't even smart enough to assemble a team of several qualified employees that would include a designer, a manager, and developers. All Dash Incubator projects have basic designs that look like they were created by a second-year student. And, in fact, rion literally paid students to write articles like "which JSON library should I choose: gson or jackson?"—a real example of a student getting paid a hundred dollars to understand a basic question that could be Googled in five minutes. If you visit any of the Dash Incubator-related repositories, you'll see that most projects haven't had a single commit since 2022. All the projects are hopelessly dead. Rion can't estimate how much a project will cost or how many people it will take to build it. He's taken on every project he could, even though it's obvious that a project as infamous as Jembe can only be developed by a professional team. Rion paid over $10,000 for the Jembe design, but has even one masternode owner seen that design? Where is that design now? The community paid a ton of money and got nothing back. $1.6 million—that's enough money to build 5-6 DashPay wallets for iOS!
Before rion joined, the Dash Incubator also existed, and it, too, was overspent. Hundreds of thousands of dollars. Everything I say can be verified by looking at Trello, Github, and MnoWatch. No one reviews people's work for years. For years, masternode owners continued to give rion money, despite the obvious fact that he was completely incompetent. Three years ago, some community members tried to draw attention to this problem, but masternode owners continued to trust rion.
Rion and AJ asked for funding for the development of the Dash Platform SDK. Eventually, rion's friend AJ simply realized he'd screwed himself, couldn't do anything, and walked off with the money. This guy had been making huge amounts of money for years streaming to three or four people. Thousands of dollars for streams that no one wanted. He bills himself as something of a programming guru, yet none of his projects exceed 1,000 lines of code. How could someone like that be trusted to write an SDK for such a complex project as the Dash Platform?
After AJ "walked off," rion continued asking for funding for SDK development. And... again, he did nothing. He complained that there wasn't enough money to hire a US developer. This is absolute nonsense. If a US developer is so expensive, then they could hire a developer from Europe or the CIS. But, of course, he didn't have enough money to hire a developer, since he took all the money for himself as salary, which is perfectly confirmed by his comment under his proposal, that he finally found a job and can now hire a developer. So what did he do? What should he be paid for?

BMD
BMD is a prime example of a scam made possible by a flaw in the existing system: payment for work before it's actually completed. BMD managed to gain the trust of community members for a long time. He even performed some work for Dash. Masternode owners were charmed by this scammer; he talked a lot, well, and beautifully. But in the end, he defrauded not only the community but also many other people he hired to do the work. The Dash community couldn't believe that such a nice guy was actually nothing more than a con man and a liar.

Ernesto
Ernesto is a man who shows up once a year to ask for money for yet another project, the benefit of which to the community is always unknown. How long has it been since the community donated money to Unalivo? What's happened to that project? What has it contributed to the community? The community is donating funds to strangers who don't bother to send even the slightest report on their work.

DCG
How is it that Dash SPV, which was in development for iOS for almost two years, was never finished by the developer responsible for it? The DashPay wallet for iOS still hasn't been released. Looking at the Dash Shared Core and Ferment repositories, you can see how the developer only occasionally added a couple of lines of code over several months of work. And now all that work has been thrown away, and Sam is starting everything from scratch. How is this possible? Furthermore, DCG now has no iOS developer, and it's unclear when one will appear or how soon they'll be able to contribute to the project. Clearly, DCG lacks dedicated management; Sam is too immersed in the Platform code. However, this doesn't absolve Sam of responsibility, who continued to ignore the fact that nothing has been done on DashPay for iOS. All this time, the developer was being paid, and the community was assured that everything would be ready on time, which led to unnecessary marketing expenses (Joel received funding several times to promote the platform, including the iOS wallet, but there is still no iOS wallet).
I'm not trying to attack Sam; he does a lot for the community (meaning Platform development), but perhaps he shouldn't try to manage such a large team. I mean, if Sam is well-versed in the platform, let him focus on platform development and manage Platform development exclusively.
For example, DCG is currently seeking a Senior iOS developer for $60,000. $1.6 million is 27 times the annual salary of a Senior iOS developer. Experience shows that Sam again doesn't have enough time to manage this developer.
Let separate people develop mobile wallets. The story of developing a block explorer for the platform and Pshenmik's Chrome browser extension is a good example of separating duties and responsibilities. If Sam understands this, each specialist or small team will receive separate funding and be held accountable for their work. Then the IT infrastructure won't crash, and people won't blame Sam for the L1 "Insight" (block explorer) not working again or the iOS wallet not being ready again.

Joel
Joel is a big fan of Dash, but his competence is highly questionable. Advertising campaign Brave for a general audience isn't a smart move. There are plenty of ways to focus on targeting a specific audience. Why would a 7-year-old or a housewife watching a pie recipe on YouTube see the Dash Evolution image in the Brave browser?
My opinion:
If the Dash platform is being promoted, it's necessary to focus on attracting developers who can build apps on the Dash platform. If there's no developer SDK, then the Dash project's other tools need to be promoted and the target audience needs to be targeted.
If the price needs to be raised and speculators or investors need to be attracted, then the target audience needs to be focused on the platform and demonstrated it. (Explain how launching the Dash platform will impact the world).
Why spend money on a general audience now if Dash Pay doesn't work on iOS at all, Dash Pay on Android is buggy, and there are still no proper tools for working with tokens? People come to Brave's landing page through ads, perhaps wanting to see a working product, but instead they see a prototype or a missing app, after which they leave forever.
Marketing must be professional and effective. I emphasize, I'm not attacking Joel; I just want marketing to be effective.
I recently lashed out at Joel, but I had no other choice. I'm glad the community heard me, and I'm glad Joel heard me. I don't want to shoot myself in the foot. I started retracting "NO" votes on October 15, 2025. https://www.dashcentral.org/p/dash-growth-q4-2025

Summary
Ten different advertising campaigns, each targeting a specific audience, are much more effective than one large advertising campaign.
Ten individual developers or a team are more productive than one large team.
The effectiveness of each project is assessed individually, which will allow us to make the right decisions in the future.
This means that the MN owner will be able to evaluate the effectiveness of each individual project, which will reduce disputes, mitigate criticism, and prevent the negative impact of a developer's unimplemented project (Dash Pay iOS) from casting a shadow over the entire team.


Thank you for reading this lengthy text. If you're interested in evidence supporting the above, you can find it on Dashcentral, Discord, Telegram, X, Github, forum, and Trello.

P.S. Please consider this proposal as a way to communicate with the owners, as not all owners have access (or no have time) to Discord, Telegram, X, Github, forum, or Trello.

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6 points,11 days ago
Stupid proposal of a stupid person.

What does 'TEMPORARILY' mean?

Besides, there is no practical way of forcing any PO to do shit.
Everyone knows and comprehends this fact.
On a voluntary basis, every PO already can post KPI metrics and proof of how funds were spent.
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-2 points,11 days ago
Its easy to "force POs to do something". Just defund them/not fund them without this. The push against stronger transparency is a pretty big red-flag to me. We don't want a "voluntary basis". We want a standard amount of proposal information.

The fact that you're against improving the functioning of the DAO in this way, suggests to me that you are part of the cabal that I have repeatedly mentioned that has been working since defunding the Latam proposals to make Dash less effective. Removing DashNexus, DashWatch and other easy ways to verify POs were doing what they said they were was probably necessary so that Joel and others could siphon funds from the DAO.

Pay a few MNOs on the take and now you've got an "anti-corruption push" in the DAO where people like you, Qwizze and TanteStefana make bad-faith arguments (how can MNOs be against improving transparency and how the monthly budget is spent)
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2 points,11 days ago
STFU
Guy with the least coins has the loudest voice in here. How funny.

The MNO can already now vote to defund every proposal they don´t like or which doesn´t voluntarily provide this data.
There is no praticable way to force anyone to do shit.
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1 point,11 days ago
Guy with the least coins has the loudest voice in here.

Thats a problem.

I would like the voting key onwers, to have a badge that reveals how many voting keys the control.

So the MNO badge should change and become 1MVO , 2MVO ... 10MVO etc.
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-2 points,11 days ago
You have no coins. Also no right to post here. If you were truly being honest you would put a proposal up instead of trolling. Glad to see you all are working together out in the open now.
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1 point,11 days ago
I have 0 coins.

How can I put a proposal?

Give me one dash, and I will put a proposal.

You can find my address here: https://gitlab.com/dundemo/mnowatch
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-1 point,11 days ago
Then you shouldn't post here.

Ask the guy who supposedly gave you a MN vote? You asking me for money is a "power move". You should ask the person you're pretending you got a vote from.

The fact that you'd rather ask me is strong evidence you have no such vote and are just a troll.
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1 point,10 days ago
The one who gave me my MN vote, did me the greatest favor!

I dont want to bother him/her again and ask more favors, I am not greedy.
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-1 point,10 days ago
You're lying. If you weren't greedy you wouldn't ask me for anything either. Also, a MN vote is not a favor, you don't get paid from it. Its more work than anything. The fact that you refuse to ask your "benefactor" for 1 Dash strongly suggests that such a benefactor does not exist and that you're lying about having a vote.

Thank you for proving that you are a troll and a bad actor.
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1 point,10 days ago
I am not greedy against the one who already did me a favor.

So I ask favors for other persons.

The one who gave me his vote did me the greatest favor. If I could hold all votes, I could control all the Dash community.
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-1 point,10 days ago
Again, having a vote is not a favor its work. And your story just doesn't add up.

Why would you want to "control all the Dash community" without owning any Dash? That doesn't make any sense.

Also, why would someone with 0 Dash care so much about the ins and outs of proposals, MNO badges and voting? Again, your story has more holes in it than swiss cheese.
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1 point,10 days ago
Of course it makes sense.

If I could hold all votes, I could vote a proposal in the budget that would give to me all the Dash available.

Why someone with 0 Dash care so much? Maybe I am just crazy, like you are.
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-1 point,10 days ago
No it doesn't make sense. You could hold all the votes just by buying all the Dash in the first place.

That is an equally unlikely proposal as you "holding all the votes". Actually, its more unlikely because all you'd have to do to buy all the Dash is, just buy all the Dash. There's no way for you to convince all MNOs to give you their votes, however, so your retort is more nonsense.

You have to prove that I'm crazy before calling me crazy. Nothing I'm saying is "detached from reality", proven by the fact that you've been roundly driven into a corner. A crazy person couldn't do that. Nor could they make logical arguments like the one I just made.

Face it, your cover's blown.
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1 point,10 days ago
I can get all the votes, in case all masternodes trust me and give it to me.

I will then become the CEO of Dash.
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-2 points,10 days ago
You can buy all the Dash, in case you can buy it all from exchanges and they give it to you.

You will then become the only Dash holder.

Completely impossible scenario, proving that you're just trolling.
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0 points,11 days ago
No, I don't think I will. As long as you have a MN then you have the right to post here, which I do. Its telling that you can't reply to my argument other than "STFU", so thank you for proving that I was correct.

"The MNO can already..." Right, that's the point, are you paying attention or are all those Dash coins blocking your view and preventing you from reading and reading comprehension? This proposal would task **MNOs** with voting no unless a proposal provides this data. In other words, you're just restating our ability to enforce this policy while pretending like you're actually saying something.

If POs can't get funding without providing this data then obviously that is a 'practicable way" of forcing them to provide it. Your argument uses faulty and backwards logic, is that deliberate?
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2 points,11 days ago
"I propose temporarily revising the method for distributing funds from the DAO treasury.
All proposals should begin with a description of their effectiveness. Identify proposed key performance indicators (KPIs), which are measurable metrics for assessing the achievement of goals and the effectiveness of business processes. Each proposal should include a link to a forum where the proposal owner should report on what was and was not accomplished with the allocated funds, as well as the reasons why the plan was not implemented."


So there are 351 masternode agents (or stupid), who oppose the above!!!!!!!! Face the reality. As long as these bastards still hold voting rights here in Dash, there is no hope for the Dash communioty!

Lets spot these bastards, and diminish their voting right. A proof of personhood for Dash, now!

https://www.dashcentral.org/p/encointerUBI-mean26
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2 points,11 days ago
The bastards who vote no for this proposal.

https://mnowatch.org/latestlink_DashdUniqueHashVotes.html?4=DAO-treasury
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-2 points,11 days ago
Again, you are not a MNO. I recommend all MNOs ignore and censure this guy's comments until he buys a masternode and gets a badge to prove he belongs here. Burying your head in the sand and pretending like you have equal rights to comment here as other MNOs is a form of emotional abuse.
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1 point,11 days ago
You are not also an MNO.

Your badge is just a proof that once upon times (and not necessarily now) you used to own a masternode voting private key.
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0 points,11 days ago
So Rango should change the Badge, and named it "Former Masternode VotingKey Owner"

Or FMVO.

And of course, we have to pay him to do it!


3. How do i get my mastenode voting privkey?

When you registered your masternode with the deterministic masternode list, you ran the following command "protx register_prepare collateralHash collateralIndex ipAndPort ownerKeyAddr operatorPubKey votingKeyAddr operatorReward payoutAddress". The voting privkey is the private key of the value votingKeyAddr. To get the voting privkey you have to run "dumpprivkey votingKeyAddr" in the debug console of your unlocked DASH wallet. Voting privkey's start with the character X and are 52 character long.

4. Why should i enter my privkeys and is it safe to do so?

Entering your masternode voting privkeys allows you to vote on budget proposals comfortably and secure via the DashCentral budget pages.

When you enter your privkeys, they will be AES encrypted with your passphrase in your browser. After encryption, the privkeys will be stored on our server. Since our server never sees your passphrase, we never have access to your voting privkeys. When you want to cast a budget vote, the encrypted voting privkeys are sent to your browser. After entering your passphrase, your budget proposal votes are signed locally in your browser and then transferred to our server, where we broadcast them to the DASH network.
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-1 point,11 days ago
You have no evidence or standing to accuse me of anything. You admit to not being a MNO so you admit you have no right to be here. You could make the same accusation against ANY other MNO, you only make it against me because I correctly call you out for being inappropriate and commenting here when there is no proof that you have the right to be here. That makes you a bad actor.
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1 point,11 days ago
@therealDashman21 You do NOT own a masternode anymore. Perhaps we should ask Rango to forcibly take away your proof-of-nothing badge.
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-1 point,11 days ago
Also, the fact that you, lysergic and itsdemo all come together to defend each other is strong evidence that you are sockpuppets of Rango (only someone with Rango's blessing would 'risk' getting banned from here, because there is no risk when Rango is doing it himself), along with the fact that you selectively attack me without evidence (anyone here could have re-upped their MN on a different server) simply for enforcing the best interests of the DAO (i.e. that non-MNOs do not comment on proposals).
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-1 point,11 days ago
@tekken, you are not a MNO and you have no right to comment here or attack my MNO status.
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1 point,11 days ago
you are not a MNO either.

you are a FMVO.
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-1 point,11 days ago
You have no standing to accuse me of that.
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1 point,11 days ago
I am not accusing you.

I describe what exactly you are.
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-1 point,11 days ago
You have no standing to describe anything. You're not supposed to be here. And you have no evidence of your assertion, which means it is an accusation.
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1 point,11 days ago
I am not even describe. You badge is self describing.

The MNO badge means that you used to have at least one masternode voting key, at the time you got the badge.

By no means it is a proof that you have 1000 Dash.
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-1 point,11 days ago
Now you're flip flopping. Regardless, you are deliberately violating the will of the MNOs by posting here, which proves that you're a troll and a bad actor.

Every MNO could be accused under your logic. Which is a proof that you are merely trolling by using edge cases against the DAO to attack it.

Thank you for proving that you're a bad actor.
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0 points,11 days ago
Again, I repeat. I am not accusing. I describe strictly and accurately.

The dashcentral MNO badge means that you used to have at least one masternode voting key, at the time you got the badge.

And this applies to EVERYONE who has that badge, not only to you.
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0 points,10 days ago
Again I repeat. You ARE accusing. And you ARE flip flopping. From "I describe" to "I am not describe" back to "I describe" again. And your description isn't accurate.

Let's rewind, here. You are trying to say that you have the right to post here because "the MNO badge system is flawed, so I'm not going to get one."

EVERYONE could fall under your accusation.

Which means you are trying to argue that ANYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO POST HERE. That is clearly not in the best interests of the DAO. A good actor would not argue that way, so once again, thank you for proving that you are a bad actor.
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0 points,11 days ago
Dont take it personally.

I am asking all masternode badges here in Dashcentral to be renamed from "Master Node Owner" MNO to "Former Masternode VotingKey Owner" FMVO.

But of course, we have to vote for it in a budget proposal, and pay Rango for doing it.
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0 points,11 days ago
You have no right to ask for anything. You are not a MNO and shouldn't be commenting here. The badge is not for "Masternode voters" but for "Masternode OWNERS"! People who have bought 1000 DASH are the only people who should be commenting here. You admit you haven't done that so you should be quiet. Don't take it personally.
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2 points,11 days ago
I am a little confused, how was Ryan involved with the Dash Incubator ? or the SDK ? Or are you talking about Rion ? Pls be more clear.
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1 point,11 days ago
Yes. I meant rion.
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-2 points,10 days ago
There are currently 351 votes against this proposal.

Who would vote against a proposal asking for more transparency and accountability? Only the corrupt MNOs who want to continue the corruption.

All those NO votes shows you just how big and powerful the corrupt group is.

We MUST get the thousands of silent MNOs to come and vote, in order to overpower the corrupt. We MUST incentivize voting so they take the time to come and vote. The best way to do that is to grant them the leftover funds at the end of each cycle.

We MUST get them to come and vote, or the treasury will only grow more and more corrupt.
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0 points,10 days ago
Do you have a MN?

My idea is simply this: we task betrand256 of DMT with the simple task of adding in a group chat message that goes to all masternode owners (available by IP). That way, we can communicate with them DIRECTLY and bypass Rango.

They already 'registered' their MNs with DMT, so its not a further invasion of their privacy. And, this will allow us to instantly gain access to all 2398 MNOs, instead of just the 528 that have registered with Rango. It wouldn't even need a vote, as DMT has new features all the time without taking a vote. If it were something like "give me the ability to PoSe Ban other nodes" then that would definitely need a vote.

But add a chat so we can communicate with the rest of the MNOs? You can slip that right in.
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0 points,10 days ago
And this is perfect, because it would automatically force ONLY MNOs to reply. No trolling, no unverified posters.
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0 points,10 days ago
How do you know that 528 have registered here in Dashcentral?

Are you an dashcentral admin? Only the dashcentral admin could know that number....

we task betrand256....
??? NOT!!!
we PAY betrand256!!!
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0 points,10 days ago
I don't answer questions to you. Stop trying to force me to accept you as an equal here.

This is a discussion for MNOs ONLY!

There is no WE. YOU ARE NOT A MNO!
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0 points,10 days ago
We are not equal.

I am more than you.

With your badge, you have a proof that once upon times you used to have a masternode vote.

I still have a masternode vote, but you dont want me to prove it to you by using a zkp protocol.

So I am superior than you.
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0 points,10 days ago
You are not a MNO and your comments do not belong here.

Trying to force them indicates that you are a bad actor and must be ignored for the sake of the DAO.

Thanks.
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0 points,10 days ago
I hold an MNO vote. Go sync your Core wallet, ask me which proposal you want me to change the outcome, and I will vote for it.
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0 points,10 days ago
But do you have 1000 DASH???

I don't buy it and I don't take orders. You lied about a lot so far. And when asked to put up a proposal to effect your changes instead of trolling the MN, you lied about that too, proving that you are not here to 'improve the DAO', but troll the MNOs.
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0 points,10 days ago
Are you retarded?

I told you one thousand times, that I hold 0 dash, but I have a masternode vote.
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0 points,10 days ago
Are you retarded?

Did you forget that you ALREADY HAVE a 25 month proposal on the front page??

So its clear you're willing and able to submit a proposal to troll the network, but when it comes to 'supporting your agenda' you REFUSE to do so. Which means you are only using this as an EXCUSE to post here, you don't actually care about it.

Thanks for proving that liar.
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0 points,10 days ago
I have 0 dash remaining. So I cannot add a proposal. Deal with it.
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0 points,10 days ago
And by the way, the last proposal I added, I borrowed the 1 dash of the proposal fee. Because my wallet was empty.
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0 points,10 days ago
And by the way, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU. You are LYING. Your story doesn't make sense at all.

You are trying to trick the MNOs into believing your implausible story so you can gain power over the network.

When you lie to someone and they believe you, you gain power over them.

That's why you won't let this go, because I STOP YOUR TRICKERY FROM WORKING.
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0 points,10 days ago
You already put up a proposal which cost 1 Dash. There's no way you "only have 1 Dash for proposals" which means you're lying.

Deal with it.
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0 points,10 days ago
I used to have 6 dash, and I spend them all to the Encointer proposals.

Thats my story. Go search my address.
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1 point,10 days ago
I mean, I want to get paid directly in dash, I dont want to work for fiat money, and use that money to buy dash.
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1 point,10 days ago
And I dont want to buy Dash. I want to earn dash with my job
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1 point,10 days ago
No. Buy more Dash and make a proposal to effect your changes. Stop trying to use that as an excuse to troll the MNOs.

If you don't have any money you should be spending your time getting a job, not trolling decentralized financial networks (this is likely your job which explains your persistence).
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0 points,10 days ago
I mean that's a nice dream but you're not going to get paid for spamming this board with comments and 'holding a MN vote' doesn't pay either.

So its clear that your plan can't work, which means its a lie.
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0 points,10 days ago
Okay so that's your problem, not the Dash network's.
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0 points,10 days ago
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?XnpT2YQaYpyh7F9twM6EtDMn1TCDCEEgNX.htm
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-1 point,10 days ago
That's not proof, ANYBODY could do that. Lie-sergic as ALREADY 'vouched for you' which means that you have already set this story up.

But no matter how much you set up the strawman it still doesn't hunt:

1. you need 1000 Dash to be able to comment here. Yet you claim to not even have 1 Dash for a proposal

2. Even though you already have a proposal

3. So instead of somehow finding a way to get 1 Dash (which is only $50), you instead plan to SPAM MNO discussions until you browbeat us into making changes

4. That clearly proves that you are a bad actor and should be barred from posting here
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2 points,12 days ago
For this obvious, we'd make it better if we had the man power, ideas, and funds, you get 5 dash over 5 months? I feel like these proposals are just milking the system. Lets fix the system by not getting suckered into these proposals getting approved.
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0 points,12 days ago
I just don't understand voting for *less* transparency from proposals. This is our network's money we're talking about here. We should want to see where its going and how its being used and if the proposals we're spending on are being effective or not. If only so we can take actions to improve them.

Why are you against this?

5 Dash is a drop in the bucket compared to 530 Dash/175 Dash/600 Dash (a random selection of recent passing proposals). I also can't see being against this proposal because of "milking the system", but being FOR those proposals. How do you know that those much more expensive proposals are not "milking the system"?
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-3 points,12 days ago
The plan is to keep the offer here for five months. Otherwise, everyone will forget about it. Thinking I'll get rich from 5 dash is wrong. Also, 1 dash won't do any harm to the treasury.
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0 points,11 days ago
You could have requested 0 dash for 5 months. Polling proposals don't actually need 1 dash (or 5 dash in this case).
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0 points,13 days ago
I dont get it. What thing are we voting here?
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-1 point,13 days ago
At the very beginning the text is written:
I propose temporarily revising the method for distributing funds from the DAO treasury.
All proposals should begin with a description of their effectiveness. Identify proposed key performance indicators (KPIs), which are measurable metrics for assessing the achievement of goals and the effectiveness of business processes. Each proposal should include a link to a forum where the proposal owner should report on what was and was not accomplished with the allocated funds, as well as the reasons why the plan was not implemented.
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-2 points,13 days ago
You should ignore him. He's just trying to flout the rules of the DAO by pretending like he has a masternode.
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1 point,13 days ago
He has a Masternode vote, you dufus! Why don't you re-verify yours, I don't believe you still own one.
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-1 point,12 days ago
He does not have A MASTERNODE, you idiot! And we don't have ANY PROOF that he has a masternode vote, so we just have to take your and his word for it, which IS NOT HOW THE DAO IS SUPPOSED TO FUNCTION.

Why don't you reverify your node? I don't believe you still own one either.
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2 points,12 days ago
I am a loyal Dash holder, I have at least one Masternode
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-1 point,12 days ago
You have no right to question my status and are only doing so in support of your sockpuppet/fellow traitor itsdemo.

This is the third time now you've come to his defense, indicating that you work together with him and Rango to use deliberately placed flaws in Dashcentral to harass actually loyal Dash holders who openly oppose your betrayal of the network.

All so you can trick me into identifying my masternode, so you can continue to DDOS it and punish me for speaking the truth. That alone proves that you are not who you pretend to be.

I know you like to pretend to be blind to curry sympathy, but do you see that 'MNO' tag next to your username? It means MASTERNODE *OWNER*. If you don't have that tag, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO POST HERE!

The fact that you are fighting ME for upholding proper decorum here strongly indicates that YOU ARE A BAD ACTOR attempting to force the network to 'accept disrespect' so you can trick us into being trolled by your agenda pushing sockpuppets.
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1 point,12 days ago
>This is the third time now you've come to his defense, indicating that you work together with him and Rango to use deliberately placed flaws in Dashcentral to harass actually loyal Dash holders who openly oppose your betrayal of the network.
>All so you can trick me into identifying my masternode, so you can continue to DDOS it and punish me for speaking the truth.

So you admit that the masternode badge you have here in Dashcentral, does not correspond to an active masternode.

And you want us to take you seriously!!!!

You are clearly a fraud, and the first thing Rango should code is allow any dashcentral member to filter the messages of anyone they consider a fraud.
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-1 point,12 days ago
>So you admit that the masternode badge you have here in Dashcentral, does not correspond to an active masternode.

I do not answer questions to non-MNOs. Get a badge and you can question me all you like.

>And you want us to take you seriously!!!!

I don't want you to do anything, you SHOULDN'T BE HERE. You are an inappropriate troll. How can someone without a MNO badge pester someone with a badge??

>You are clearly a fraud, and the first thing Rango should code is allow any dashcentral member to filter the messages of anyone they consider a fraud.

You are clearly projecting as there is no proof that you "have a full vote" or anything, you're just a troll and the first thing YOU (rango) should do is STOP TRYING TO TRICK PEOPLE into letting non-MNOs talk here so that they can troll their way into our discussions!
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1 point,11 days ago
I am not Rango.

Will you like me to prove it?

Support my initiative for a proof of personhood in Dash.

https://www.dashcentral.org/p/encointerUBI-mean26
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-1 point,11 days ago
You are clearly in league with Rango, however, as you abuse "flaws" in DashCentral that only he would know or care about in order to promote an agenda that the MNO have explicitly told him to fix (non-MNOs and POs commenting). Even now, you try to gish-gallop your way into discussions knowing that you don't have the right to comment here. Being forceful like that when told you shouldn't be here indicates you have an agenda and have "protection" from admins, who are likely using this as a protest against being told to STOP people like you from commenting here.
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0 points,11 days ago
What are you talking about?

The MNO have explicitly told Rango to fix anything?

Where? In what budget vote this has been decided?

The Masternodes should vote a budget proposal and PAY rango, in case they want improvements to occur here in dashcentral.
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0 points,11 days ago
I'm talking about MNO discussions that took place on here where we all told Rango to fix this. Rango doesn't have the right to pretend not to see our demands just because there was 'no vote'. This is how I know you're a troll and are working together with the "cabal" that I mentioned.

latteisnotcoffee, a discord mod in the thunderdome, also said "put it to a vote" when I told him to stop selectively enforcing the rules by allowing bigrcanada, xk, iceking and others to use personal attack against me. The fact that you use the same talking points, as well as 'defend Rango from MNOs' proves that you are just a sockpuppet who is pretending to be someone else, so you can harass MNOs who go against the grain.
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0 points,13 days ago
And btw, my 'moratorium on non-dcg decision proposals' wouldn'tve covered something like this, or kotbykot's other proposal. That proposal was strictly about decision proposals that made CHANGES TO THE PROTOCOL.
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-1 point,14 days ago
Gotta say, I'm voting yes. I really agree with the strategy of holding POs accountable. I also want to point out, we had several teams that had exactly the kind of reporting that you want in LaTam. DashVenezuela, DashMallandParking, DashNigeria, DashHaiti, DashBrazil, DashText, DashHelp and more all were funded by the DAO and all reported monthly KPI metrics to a neutral third party in DashWatch.

We had verified android wallet downloads of 150,000 in Venezuela alone. 4000 in Jamaica (which was more than the 3000 in the US), I believe 2000 in Brazil. But MNOs like Lysergic, Agnewpickens, thedesertlynx and more needlessly attacked and maligned these teams that were providing provable effective KPI metrics showing consistent month over month growth. This was easily viewable on DashNexus and DashWatch together which provided a quick summary of the current Dash ecosystem and adoption. All of these proposals were maliciously attacked with lies and defunded and what remains are only the ineffective and inefficient proposals of today.

So I am ALL FOR going back to verifiable KPI metrics, independent third-party validation and regular checkups on PO effectiveness.

Voting YES!
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0 points,13 days ago
DashMallandParking, ROFL!
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-1 point,13 days ago
This is what I Mean. DashMallandParking worked really hard to integrate Dash into real world parking lots and IT WORKED! People were verifiably able to pay with Dash at parking lots, and because of the situation down there, those who used Dash had a smoother UX than those using other payment systems, they literally got to skip the line since it was so fast.

And MNOs like this, with NO justifiable, stated reason attacked them and "made fun of them" just like lysergic did above. "ROFL!" is NOT an argument! It is NOT an appropriate form of debate in the DAO and Lysergic is trying to "force the network to take emotional abuse" by using it.

That's not a tactic of someone who wants to see Dash adopted and grown in usage around the world. That's a troll tactic which means Lysergic should be punished and have his nodes banned from the network.
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1 point,13 days ago
> Lysergic should be punished and have his nodes banned from the network.

Nonsense! They were lying about numbers and usage, they fleeced us good. I did a deep dive, it was worse than I disclosed publicly.
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0 points,13 days ago
You did not. If you did you would've posted the proof instead of "ROFL". There were 150,000 ACTIVE ANDROID wallets in the last 30 days in Venezuela. There is nothing you can say to disprove this objective third-party data. You are a liar and should be banned from the network.
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-1 point,14 days ago
Incidentally, I believe that this is not by accident. Rather, I have concluded that this is a coordianted, years-long, behind the scenes campaign to weaken the effectiveness of the DAO and prevent Dash from truly growing like it has been in the past. This may sound conspiratorial, but many of you will remember George Donnelly, HenryGeorgist and others of their ilk. Those who professed to love and want to grow Dash, but were secretly maligning and attacking Dash's growth and adoption behind the scenes.

George literally tried and for a time succeeded at taking over DashVenezuela even though he was in Colombia. And he faked KPI metrics, fired teams, stole their work and presented it like it was his, all while smiling in the face of the DAO and coming here begging for more and more money. He then went to BCH and tried the same thing, successfully! BCH was so desperate to copy our successful growth that they thought they were "poaching a hard worker" from us. Boy did THAT ever backfire on them!

So its not a conspiracy theory, its a conspiracy FACT. This attack has already been attempted several times. Joel for example started hogging DashBoost funds, even though he had a multi-month 300 Dash proposal at the same time. DashBoost was for POs from poorer regions that didn't have the money to pay for the (then) 5 Dash fee (when Dash was in the $100+ range) and couldn't get a formal proposal going.

That's how red-hot Dash growth and adoption was back then. We had to have a SECOND proposal infrastructure set up just so that we could fully service our global users. I don't believe its a coincidence that Joel was hogging funds. I don't believe its a coincidence that Joel's "adoption campaigns" are anemic, ineffective and expensive. It is my belief that Dash is actively being 'shut down' by aggressive liars and fakers who are pretending to be for Dash, but are actually paid to be against it.

I worked closely with DashHaiti and DashNigeria for over 2 years. We got two exchanges to accept Dash, one in Haiti and one in Nigeria. Don't you know that these guys PAID those two to go against me? They even tried to get me to lose money to scams! Dash is uniquely attacked and maligned because IT IS THE BEST and IT HAS THE BEST INCENTIVES, so they have to scam us to drain the DAO and prevent it from spreading Dash and increasing our adoption.

I predicted that Dash would EXPLODE in Venezuela about 1-2 years before it did. Apparently they never got over that and worked hard since then to reverse that prediction. Its clear that these people are deliberately attacking Dash while feigning to support it. The Discord is DEAD! Even the thunderdome is a shell of its former self. Why? Because Joel and his underlings rely on TROLLING, DISINFO and basically EVIL TACTICS to gang up on people they don't like.

We as MNOs have to reverse course, or Dash will always be ineffective and low value, which these guys want because they're being paid by us to destroy Dash.
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2 points,13 days ago
Chill out, dude
This conspiracy exists only in your head
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1 point,13 days ago
You are not a masternode owner and have no right to post here or tell me to do anything.
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