Proposal “mobile-privacy“ (Closed)Back
| Title: | Decision Proposal: Support for Dash's User-Facing Features (Privacy and Usernames) in Both Mobile and Desktop Wallets |
| Owner: | decision_proposal |
| One-time payment: | 1 DASH (51 USD) |
| Completed payments: | no payments occurred yet (1 month remaining) |
| Payment start/end: | 2023-07-12 / 2023-08-11 (added on 2023-07-15) |
| Final voting deadline: | in na |
| Votes: | 172 Yes / 127 No / 90 Abstain |
Proposal description
UPDATE: The intent of this proposal is in line with Option C of QuantumExplorer's comment below.
This is a decision proposal to decide whether Dash’s official products intended for end users, namely the mobile and full-node desktop wallets, should support all of Dash’s end user features, namely CoinJoin and usernames/contact lists (when released). Initial signatories supporting this proposal include PAX, Hilawe, Kanuuker, Dandy, Rion, Yaphsad, Flip, Mastermined, Arthyron, z37da, vampyren, and dashfriend.
At present, the official Dash mobile wallet does not support CoinJoin mixing or sending private transactions. This is an explicit decision by Dash Core Group to not include these features in the mobile wallets, and at the moment there is no plan to add them.
Additionally, the Dash Core full-node desktop wallet is not initially slated to support Evolution usernames and contact lists.
We believe that Dash’s status as the best digital cash in the world is the result of all its features intended to facilitate this purpose: security, speed, low fees, privacy, and soon, human-readable usernames and contact lists. We believe that the Dash experience should be available to all Dash users, and to this end, at a minimum, the official end user wallets should be able to faithfully deliver this experience.
Please vote YES if you want Dash’s user-facing features (privacy and usernames) to be supported by DCG’s end user-facing products (Dash Core desktop and mobile wallets).
Please vote NO if you want DCG to continue to choose which of its end user projects support which end user features.
Please vote ABSTAIN if you are indifferent to the outcome.
If this proposal passes by the usual proposal rules (a net 10% of active masternodes voting yes), it will be considered as this decision proposal passing and the YES outcome taking effect.
This is a decision proposal to decide whether Dash’s official products intended for end users, namely the mobile and full-node desktop wallets, should support all of Dash’s end user features, namely CoinJoin and usernames/contact lists (when released). Initial signatories supporting this proposal include PAX, Hilawe, Kanuuker, Dandy, Rion, Yaphsad, Flip, Mastermined, Arthyron, z37da, vampyren, and dashfriend.
At present, the official Dash mobile wallet does not support CoinJoin mixing or sending private transactions. This is an explicit decision by Dash Core Group to not include these features in the mobile wallets, and at the moment there is no plan to add them.
Additionally, the Dash Core full-node desktop wallet is not initially slated to support Evolution usernames and contact lists.
We believe that Dash’s status as the best digital cash in the world is the result of all its features intended to facilitate this purpose: security, speed, low fees, privacy, and soon, human-readable usernames and contact lists. We believe that the Dash experience should be available to all Dash users, and to this end, at a minimum, the official end user wallets should be able to faithfully deliver this experience.
Please vote YES if you want Dash’s user-facing features (privacy and usernames) to be supported by DCG’s end user-facing products (Dash Core desktop and mobile wallets).
Please vote NO if you want DCG to continue to choose which of its end user projects support which end user features.
Please vote ABSTAIN if you are indifferent to the outcome.
If this proposal passes by the usual proposal rules (a net 10% of active masternodes voting yes), it will be considered as this decision proposal passing and the YES outcome taking effect.
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I want to see the best privacy and privacy experience on dash mobile and coinjoin is dated AF.
The dash community is doomed unless you decide to invest in mnowatch and dashwatch, record all the votes and punish the bad actors.
And we have a lot of them here.
https://mnowatch.org/the_results_dashd_2023-07-24-08-12-33.uniqueHashVotes.168.html?4=MOBILE-PRIVACY
Thats why a crowdnodewatch is urgently needed.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/505116948359675924/1132640361664221214/image.png
NOT A SINGLE YES_VOTE FOR THE ENCOINTER PROPOSAL BY CROWDNODE.
Tottaly reverse of what everybody expected. Everybody assumes that the crowd should be a proponent of the encointer project , as long as the crowd will get a basic income when encointer is established.
Why the crowd didnt cast a single yes vote? Simply because crowdnode is full of agents who vote against the benefits of dash.
The dash community is doomed unless they decide to join the pioner Encointer community or any other proof of persnonhood community that will appear in future.
I joined Dash because of privacy initially, and it's been incredibly frustrating working to onboard new services and communities, such as Spritz and Maya, and seeing all the questions roll in on how to use Dash's flagship privacy feature. Meanwhile, every meaningful competitor is ahead of Dash in this regard. An up-and-coming multi-coin wallet is even adding privacy functionality for Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash and Litecoin, making all these able to be used more privately than Dash. It's becoming increasingly difficult to make a strong case for using Dash over these.
Non-DCG avenues haven't worked out either. Electrum mobile, while always buggy, technically worked, but no longer does since maintained by the Incubator. Many privacy wallet concepts have come through the Incubator over the years, none of them going anywhere. I feel like each passing year we're losing our digital cash title. I can't in good conscience continue to advocate for a form of digital cash that doesn't offer even basic privacy protections when other options are available.
I would however like a little more clarity.
Would a YES outcome mean:
A) that these features should be added to our roadmap to be done at a time that makes sense.
B) that DCG should do these immediately and drop what we are currently working on that don't go in this direction.
C) that DCG should prioritize these items after we have completed what we are currently working on.
D) Something else.
Some things to consider:
I estimate that getting Dash Core to support usernames would take about 2 people between 4 to 8 months depending on the developers put on the problem. This is something I would personally support and even though it's not on the roadmap, we would have gotten around to this when we had the manpower to do so.
Currently we also have doubts that our current Coinjoin system would work on iOS. To be clear I am not saying it won't, we just are not yet sure until more investigation has been done by our developers (that have been focused recently on other parts of the project).
I would clarify it as being option C. Get Evo out the door then focus on flushing out the ecosystem fully.
- What is DCG currently working on for the mobile wallets?
- From previous testing it looks like DashPay on mobile is largely complete, is this accurate?
Thank you.
The MNO deserve better than the silence from the few in the know.
Don't you feel the MNO who in good faith decide to convert their 1K Masternodes to 4K HPMN have a right to know what exactly comes with v20.0?
With the notion that these features should be added to the Dash Roadmap to be done at a time that makes sense (which to me should be after the launch of Dash Platform on Dash Mainnet, to avoid further delays).
I won't vote yes on these proposals simply because I don't agree with superseding the existing road map. Sure, I want to mix from my mobile wallet, but it's not as important as delivering evo.
What does saying yes even mean? I wish these waste of time proposals would stop, we can't afford to do these nice projects right now anyways.
It is the side effect of having both a low Dash price and low Dash proposal fee. I expect a lot more of these proposals hitting the Dash network to be honest.
I just wish people proposing decision proposals would stop asking any Dash for it.
They should just use the default proposal generator and ask for 0 dash.
At least this one does not have a multi time period (10 months / 12 months) attached to it and has a somewhat interesting topic for discussion.