Proposal “gc-tristar“ (Closed)Back

Title:Tristar Gym: 2018 Dash Partnership
Owner:greencandle
One-time payment: 122 DASH (59621 USD)
Completed payments: no payments occurred yet (1 month remaining)
Payment start/end: 2018-01-17 / 2018-02-16 (added on 2018-01-11)
Final voting deadline: in passed
Votes: 534 Yes / 245 No / 70 Abstain

Proposal description

Tristar Gym: 2018 Dash Partnership

TL;DR: Dash has an opportunity to join Monster Energy, Reebok, and Timtam.tech as a premier sponsor of Tristar Gym. Firas Zahabi (Tristar founder) has become widely known as being the person who has gotten a lot of notable mma fighters into cryptocurrency. He now would like to partner with Dash to bring a cashless Dashpay option to his fighters in Montreal through this unique opportunity which would allow all Tristar Gym fighters to receive a 15% discount if paying with Dash. He would also like to extend our exposure into the online presence of Tristar through inclusion of Dash in his channels Youtube Videos.

  • Create cashless Dashpay option for all Tristar fighters that would allow them to receive 15% discount if they pay using Digital Cash
  • Become premier sponsor of Tristar along with Monster and Rebook for the 2018 calendar year
  • Dash branding around the Gym for the Athletes and Patrons
  • Inclusion of Dash branding in videos on the Tristar gym YouTube channel (currently 105k subs videos ranging from 5k to 3.6m views)

Proposal: https://docs.google.com/a/greencandle.io/document/d/1AZ-0Z9CsyGk9ULs4hrcqsCTY3GMPUL1xLE4ECQHtF5Q/edit?usp=sharing
Pre-proposal: https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/tristar-gym-1-year-sponsorship.25911/
Firas Talking Dash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFMOvEGmqNQ

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Discussion: Should we fund this proposal?

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0 points,2 months ago
This is a promising proposal for Dash as it could potentially bring clients and marketing if done right.

From a consumer perspective, we feel there's a lot to be desired than what is proposed. A better user experience would be required, such as Festy for gyms.

We are abstaining our vote and hope this proposal gets worked on for a future submission.

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1 point,2 months ago
u got my vote..
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1 point,2 months ago
MNO, Sydney. Australia.
Hmmm. Yes.....on the fence with this..but the incentive to pay gym fees with Dash got the Y.
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1 point,2 months ago
How many people will that really effect? This is a local gym.
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1 point,2 months ago
@name3 The relationship we developed with Tristar led us to our sponsorship of Rory Macdonald. That deal led us to the top executives of Bellator where we are not in talks for future events.

Separately, this has also resulted in a possible MMA awards show sponsorship which encompasses all MMA participants (including UFC).

You might be right that the gym itself has a smaller reach, but it is obvious that the relationship we have developed there has led us to much larger audiences.

If you are not an MMA fan, some of this may be lost on you and I do appreciate that. I am new to MMA myself but I am learning to love the sport because I see similar characteristics between the athletes and much of the work we do. Time, dedication, failure, practice...and the ability to get back up once you've been knocked down.

Regardless of the outcome we appreciate the feedback and will continue to work on plans to create the broadest appeal. Thank you.
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1 point,2 months ago
I understand where you are coming from, my goal isn't to trash your proposal.

That being said, I think that alot of the funding the dash network is putting towards MMA sponsorships is not cost effective. No one who is watching MMA who doesn't already know about Dash is going to see some random word on someone's t-shirt and think anything of it. Just plastering Dash all over stuff is not good marketing.

The only reason Coca-Cola can get away with that style or marketing is because everyone already knows what Coca-Cola is. No one knows what Dash is yet.

While this proposal is a step in the right direction in that it is more than just plastering our logo on someones shirt, it has a ludicrously small footprint for almost $100,000. I get that you say this will lead to a better relationships in the future, but that isn't how businesses should function, we don't give away money in the hopes we will be offered a better opportunity in the future.
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1 point,2 months ago
@name3 thank you for continuing the conversation and helping me to gain a broader perspective. I appreciate that while we may disagree we are able to have an honest and open discussion here.

I don't view this as a sponsorship of a single gym, rather an opportunity to build an ecosystem that we can test and monitor. Firas is part of a large network of gyms across Canada and the USA. We would work with Firas to scale this project and make it available to gyms everywhere. We need to start with a good foundation, in a place where we have great working relationship already, then work our way towards the larger goals.

I appreciate that MNOs are concerned about spending funds just because they are available. The upfront costs are not insignificant for this project, but the investment provides for a clear path forward and one that I believe is worth taking a chance on.

Voting closes shortly for this cycle, so I just want to thank all the MNOs that read through the vast amount of proposals this month. Thank you to everyone who recognized the hard work that the proposal owners put in as well as to all those who provided feedback to help try to make the proposals better.
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0 points,2 months ago
*now in talks...
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0 points,2 months ago
I understand that the relationship here led to the relationship with Rory and possibly Bellator, but what does that have to do with why we should fund this proposal? Is it supposed to be a "thank you for the connections you helped us make"? Or are there some additional benefits that would be more possible because we funded this? Or are you saying the connections we already established would be dead if this particular thing isn't funded?
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2 points,2 months ago
@Troydash I see this as a way to strengthen our relationship with Firas and to help him put boots on the ground in a setting he controls. The members that go to his gym will be able to have a complete Dash digital cash experience. I don't know of any other cashless Dashpay environments in Canada so it's clear that we need to start at the grassroots level.

This is not about paying anyone back. It is about building on what we have already created with a trusted member in his space to reach a different set of people. Trust plays a large part in the adoption of new technology, particularly when money is involved. I want to support as many people like Firas as we can because he has the trust of his community and they will take his lead.

I am asking those MNOs that are not fans of MMA to take a step back and look at this for what it is - an opportunity to work closely with a top professional in his industry that will give Dash exposure to a large audience. This will actually give new users a place to go and test it out. It offers a clear use case for Dash, and I am hopeful that enough MNOs will agree to support it.

I appreciate your questions and willingness to get informed before making your final decision. Thank you!
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1 point,2 months ago
Sure -- thanks for your answer :)
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1 point,2 months ago
Besides all the benefits stated, this could be the thing that gets Dash on Joe Rogan's podcast.
For that reason alone, I'm voting yes.
Everything else is gravy.
Love it!
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1 point,2 months ago
Good point. I think Rogan would be fascinated by the DAO and he has a MASSIVE following.
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3 points,2 months ago
i attended the Rory fight. i was very excited to see the amount of people that new about Dash, had Dash, wanted Dash and even wanted to be sponsored by dash. green candle did an amazing job placing the Dash logo on Rory's shorts. id like to see more of what Green Candle has to say, you have my support.
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-2 points,2 months ago
On a critical note: They did not do an amazing job by lacking 'Dash - digital cash' branding on Rory's shirt and cap. 'Dash' alone does not give Joe Blogs much of an idea as to what Dash relates to. Meanwhile I earned that Boost is a mobile provider. 'Boost - mobile' was promoted in the ring.
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0 points,3 months ago
Voting against or abstaining for every Greencandle proposal till I see a proper statement of account from them.

This proposal gets a no vote any which way..
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3 points,3 months ago
Thank you for your comment. Could you elaborate a bit on why you feel so strongly this proposal get's a no vote from you? Is there something it's missing? We would be grateful to have some constructive feedback.

Each time this comes up we always ask people look at the blockchain. We have taken the time to make sure that all funds that have been escrowed by GC are done transparently. In fact to date we have still taken zero actual returns out of any of the GC proposal funding lanes that we control. We would like to say that again.

To date. ALL OF GREENCANDLES OPERATIONS has been paid for out of pocket by it's directors. All fees charged to the network have only been collected in the escrow wallets and never actually moved. We haven't even moved any of the returned proposal fees that we have received. We have literally paid for everything out of pocket and to date not taken a single reward for this and you sit there asking for us to be more transparent? We have literally taken nothing for all of our work so far.

Yes we have asked for proposals fees but and escrow fees but if you look on the blockchain NONE (I REPEAT ZERO, ZILCH, NOTA, NOTHING) has ever been taken and spent. At some point it would be appreciated if the community would stop pointing fingers and start respecting the fact that we are being so transparent by properly managing the funds on the blockchain.

We apologize if you feel like it shouldn't be your job to have to look at the public blockchain and we do intended on improving our reporting but to just swipe aside all the hard work we have put into this months proposal cycle is nonsensical to us. We brought all of our proposals to the network early and we attempted to really listen to the network.

You are welcome to abstain but to not even take the time to clarify such an outlandish comment we feel isn't overly constructive. Regardless thank you for the comment.
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2 points,3 months ago
The only major upside for DASH in this would have been brand placement on the gym's YouTube videos, but details on what that would entail are scant and scarce here, indeed. Number of videos to put branding on? Topic of said videos? Current view counts on similar videos?

Voting no.
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0 points,3 months ago
Did you happen to make it all the way to the bottom of the proposal document? Seems you glossed over what types of views we have already had on Tristar's page and this was all funded out of pocket by GreenCandle to date.

GC has sponsored on behealf of the Dash Network a $10,000 Mystic Dash giveaway during the run-up to the Conor McGregor vs Floyd Mayweather super fight. There was some great social media chatter as Firas gave away $100 USD worth of Dash to 100 people in the days leading up to the fight. He then gave away $10,000 USD worth of Dash to 1 person who correctly predicted the outcome of the fight.

Mayweather vs McGregor Post Fight Analysis - 10 000$ Prize - Collecting Comments & Questions (51k views):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFMOvEGmqNQ

Post fight - Mayweather vs McGregor - 10k Giveaway (7.8k views great Dash comment at 3:23 mins includes live giveaway at 5:25mins from Montreal to Lithuania):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXpIn6bpb38

$250 Giveaway Video (2.6k views):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7xm2dgWdwU

10k Giveaway Video (7.2k views great Dash comment at 3:23min): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUyKmz4O-b4

Total Views: ~100,000 views (Aug - Sept 2017)
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GreenCandle director Coingun has sponsored on behalf of the Dash Network 12 episodes of PVC and paid 12 fighters each $100 in Dash. These videos are being watched more and more by hardcore fans as a way to learn about jiu-jitsu. Recently some users on reddit have expressed that they found out about Dash through Firas’ video on Youtube.

View counts:

Episode 1 (29k views): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO3sYlTF8AU
Episode 2 (16.2k views): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVdfp6_OLZU
Episode 3 (12.2k views): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWIpQR_2y9M
Episode 4 (7.4k views): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzvPMR96Y98
Episode 5 (8k views): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpV7GI_CuSk
Episode 6 (7k views): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj_G5DXMc4A
Episode 7 (11k views): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIsvUq0yd7Y
Episode 8 (7.6k views): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOumQJ-Ks2Q
Episode 9 (7.4k views): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VIEv_FY5hI
Episode 10 (14k views kids match!): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PHHUWeyB24
Episode 11 (6.5k views): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWRM-rxXdmw
Episode 12: (5.7k views): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTqLZj3POxw

Total Views: ~132,000 views (Jun 19,2017 - Jan 3, 2018)

So just to be clear there isn't zero views here this youtube channel isn't just some kid in his garage it's one of the most well respected coaches in all of MMA
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2 points,3 months ago
The gym is a local gym for local users i doubt it even has a 1000 users on its membership lists egregious waste of dash.
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2 points,3 months ago
MMA brings no benefits to dash beyond fighters or gyms accepting it potentially and possibly some very limited publicity. Its just another cash grab for 80k and fees greencandle enjoys from each proposal
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2 points,3 months ago
As stated in the previous comment. We would ask that you stop making accusatory type comments like this before you have done any homework.

Your claim "just another cash grab" yet if you look on the blockchain this statement is one of absurdity. Not only has GreenCandle taken nothing from any proposals it hasn't even taken back it's proposal submission fees. We understand you are out to spread FUD but we would ask that you chose something else other then calling us out for a cash grab as we have done nothing but sink our hard earned money, time, and resources into making the Dash ecosystem better.

At the end of the day we know that we are doing good things for this ecosystem. You can try and troll us and try and knock us down with this well planned back handed comments but we know the truth. We are setting the gold standard for how these things should be done and we are leading by example instead of filling our days trolling people who are actively trying to make this world a better place.

Regardless thank you for your comment as each one makes us stronger and more ready to help the Dash ecosystem.
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-3 points,3 months ago
Then publish your statement of accounts. Lets do an audit.. I'll fund it personally and ill even fly out to vancouver in person to ensure it.

Put your money where your mouth is.
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-1 point,3 months ago
Do we have room in the budget? Yes.
Would this surely benefit Dash? Yes.
Easy yes.
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4 points,3 months ago
How do you figure this would surely benefit Dash? The way I see it this has extremely limited reach. There are much more cost effective ways to use 80K.
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2 points,3 months ago
@name3 That is a fair question. Many voters may not realize that the relationship we developed and nurtured with Firas and Tristar Gym led to our meeting and then sponsorship of Rory Macdonald. This fight on January 20th, 2018 will be viewed by millions of people around the world. Here we have a fighter that is excited as anything to talk about crypto, his Dash sponsorship and what it all means to him. In fact, without going into too much detail, this new relationship with Rory has catapulted us to the top of Bellator, one of the largest MMA associations on the globe. We are looking forward to the possibility of developing a long term relationship with them.

Without taking smaller steps and supporting the foundation, these kinds of leaps forward become much less likely to occur. MMA is a hotbed for crypto and Firas and Tristar Gym are ready to jump on board. A relatively small funding commitment will no doubt pay dividends to Dash for years to come.
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-3 points,3 months ago
I wish these tristar guys would take some hormone therapy and be like fluffy and me with no balls and no vision for decentralized sporting events. Imagine a feeder system to the pros for every sport with prizes paid in Dash. No wait. Dont imagine that. Damnit I keep spilling the beans. Maybe because I only have my mom to talk to and the glow from my RGB fans is the only UV rays Im exposed to. I wonder if Mom is making meatloaf again. *MAAAAAAAAAA!!!!*
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3 points,3 months ago
Dash should be used because it is the better payment system not because it is on billboards. Having said that, I'm not against marketing perse but I think we have had a fair share of marketing proposals and it remains to be seen if any of those will actually grow the dash community by any significant amount. Just because we have a large treasury doesn't mean we should squander it.
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2 points,3 months ago
The way I understood it Dash would also be used as a payment system for the gym membership and swag, etc. This also includes marketing at the gym but the idea of the gym accepting Dash as payment is a great way to get new users.
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2 points,3 months ago
From what I can gather, Dash is really really quite unknown, and the questions especially on Reddit are often, incredibly dumb and or short sighted. People need to get there eye's open and learn that none of the current top20 coins apart for maybe just maybe Bitcoin Cash is a viable, option to be used as a day to day trust-less decentralized digital cash. Truly there no other coin which i studied (I look regularly at the top250 coins of coin market-cap.) That are that mis understood (also because various other reasons, most of all dash is undersold as a product and there product is oversold, I do invest in hype coins do).

I think we need to play out multiple angles.
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2 points,3 months ago
Core is working as fast as they can and Dash is alreay one of the best payment systems. I think it's only a good thing to get more publicity. The only reason bitcoin is at the top is because it is the most well known. There are plenty of people that know of bitcoin but have never heard of Dash.
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4 points,3 months ago
What is the ROI for dash of this sponsorship?
Because in that gym I estimate 1000 different people circulate.
I do not see the investment ..
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2 points,3 months ago
Tristar Gym YouTube has 105K subs right now proposal is 95,548 USD that is less than $1 per subscriber for a years worth of future videos. These videos are being produced by one of the top coaches in all of MMA and he is very passionate about Dash.

Firas was even rocking Dash gear during Rory's fight! https://twitter.com/Firas_Zahabi/status/954513274694807552
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0 points,3 months ago
To be clear , these type of PR stunts are completely useless right now, what if i see my favourite fighter wear Dash shorts, am i going to google about dash download the dash APP , most probably no. Instead . we should focus the efforts on direct user acquisition, using digital channels , where you can measure results directly.
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1 point,3 months ago
YouTube worldwide
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5 points,3 months ago
Theres nothing wrong with the proposal we need advertising but thats all we are doing lately and the coins use is not being developed or improved, Im done voting for marketing proposals for while I want to see development proposals.
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2 points,3 months ago
I am not sure if developers are aware or not, but a highly skilled developer(team) can ask a premium for building something for dash, a premium higher than any other coin is willing to buy. Are they not aware of that ?

If you or anybody know's these kinds of people than please do contact them.
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6 points,3 months ago
Core has millions of dollars in their current balance sheet that they’re using for development. The reason why we haven’t seen proposals from them is because of the huge price increase having led to these millions in surplus. Check the Q3 Core Call for more details on their balance sheet.

Just because you don’t see development proposals doesn’t mean development has stopped or that the pace of development can be improved by throwing money at the problem.
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5 points,3 months ago
The problem is not that theres too much marketing proposals, its thats theres not enough devellopement proposals. Now what are we gonna do about that. I see so much people critisizing about the quality of the proposals lately but not doing s**t. Come on and make it happen or STFU.
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1 point,3 months ago
Cool, i'm in.
I have some questions about some of the other GC proposals so I hope CG and Jeremy can join us for the 3 Amigos after party.
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1 point,3 months ago
@Mastermined sorry I missed the party. Wife had a baby over the weekend so I was busy to say the least. I would love to make the next one though and in fact I will be in LA getting ready to watch Rory represent! It will have to be a remote show for me but I'll do my best.
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