Proposal “fernando-cmo“ (Active)Back

Title:Should Fernando Gutierrez continue to be the Chief Marketing Officer for Dash Core Group?
Owner:realist
One-time payment: 15 DASH (1040 USD)
Completed payments: no payments occurred yet (1 month remaining)
Payment start/end: 2019-10-15 / 2019-11-14 (added on 2019-09-30)
Final voting deadline: in 7 days
Votes: 41 Yes / 123 No / 244 Abstain
Will be funded: No. This proposal needs additional 575 Yes votes to become funded.
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Proposal description

Should Fernando Gutierrez continue to be the Chief Marketing Officer for Dash Core Group?

I recognize Fernando's earlier contributions when Dash was just starting, but things are different now. The IT Department of DCG improved significantly with Bob Carroll, because he is qualified CTO that was hired on merit. There are thousands of better professionals in the USA (where DCG is), and hundreds of websites and agencies that help companies connect with executives.

In my opinion, he isn't doing a good job and only got the role because of his early volunteering plus a personal relationship with Ryan Taylor. I understand the desire to reward individuals for loyalty and sticking around, but positions should be awarded for competence and re-evaluated periodically for performance. Build him a statue, name a feature after him, present a trophy, but let us move forward with someone new and get good Marketing done.

Rather than making any points, I'll let his results and the man speak for himself.

Watch him complain there's no money for Marketing with a $200k/month budget.
https://youtu.be/kaO5NzhHVNU?t=19
Received $260,000 USD on February 2018.
https://www.dashcentral.org/p/mrktng-feb-2018

Watch his plan to spend $650,000/month.
https://youtu.be/9exy8FfBt2k?t=7
Received $1.23 million USD on March 2018
https://www.dashcentral.org/p/mrktg-coregroup-032018

As far as determining the result of this proposal, a simple majority would suffice (like the logo and 2mb blocks).  This isn't a vote on whether Fernando should be fired, but whether he should continue as Chief Marketing Officer: 
More Yes's = he stays as CMO, more No's = DCG is instructed to hire a new talented CMO from the market.

Because those who criticize Dash are lumped together and discredited as trolls, I chose this question format and made it a net +10 DASH proposal (-5 + 15) deliberately, so that the Macrochip's and Gerhard's have an incentive to vote the topic and not to punish the proposer. 

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1 point,9 days ago
A Chief Marketing Officer should be more charismatic? in the 2 youtube videos linked, he doesn't seem to have charisma, he doesn't even smile
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2 points,17 days ago
Oh this is cute, the way you can't win with the vote. Thank goodness it means nothing and has no balls (we can't run DCG's HR department.) I'm sorry I gave these 3 trollposals the time of day.
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2 points,17 days ago
I voted no, since this proposal can not do any such thing as fire Fernando, and I wish to deny you the funds to make 2 more stupid proposals and waste my time.
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-1 point,14 days ago
The Masternode Network could surely vote to fire a specific employee
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3 points,14 days ago
Dash governance model has one primary role : to allocate budget funding. The governance model also allows optional polling of the network in a non-binding way.

So no, the masternode network can not fire specific employee directly.
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1 point,12 days ago
Well we can through withholding funding if we chose to, also by having the Trust protectors we elected excersize our will on DCG.
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1 point,12 days ago
Dash governance withholding funding of a budget proposal by receiving so much no votes that it drops below 10% treshold, is totally different to stating Dash governance can fire specific employees.

Dash governance having some indirect control over its Trust Protectors , is totally different to stating Dash governance can fire specific employees.
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1 point,12 days ago
Exactly. Employees are a HR issue and internal matter for the board of DCG to manage.

The trust protectors can remove/replace individuals on the board of DCG if we (the network) believe it’s in the best interests of the DAO. A governance proposal can be used to guide the Trust Protectors on such an action, but this particular proposal is NOT a governance proposal.

Walter
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1 point,12 days ago
Nor is it asking for the removal of a Director from their office.

Walter
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-1 point,16 days ago
Why I voted no
DashForceNews does not cover the development of Evolution, at least on a monthly basis
The DCG product updates no longer includer updates on Evolution
Heidi does not cover Evolution
I do not have any source of information for Evolution
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2 points,16 days ago
Dash News and Heidi get funded through the Dash News budget proposal and is therefore irrelevant to this discussion.

There are sources about Evolution, you just need to look for Dash Platform & Dash Core v1.0 topics. Like these :

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dashpay-will-be-built-into-the-existing-native-mobile-wallets-on-android-and-ios.48201/

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dash-platform-side-chain.48396/

This poll is invalid anyways and there are now enough NO votes to deny it the 15 Dash funding. Thank you for helping with that by voting no.
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0 points,18 days ago
Thanks for bringing out this little bug in our proposals system.
And sorry for all the insults and shit You get.

We need to separate funding proposals and decision proposals.
How can we do that?
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0 points,17 days ago
Write the necessary code and do PR.
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0 points,16 days ago
We're on that ;)
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1 point,16 days ago
So are we. ;-)

Feel free to reach out if you want to discuss ideas / collaborate.
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0 points,12 days ago
Are we talking about DCG working on new governance-related coding, to separate funding proposals from polling proposals ?
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4 points,19 days ago
Very strange proposal.
Dash Treasury (or DGBB) is not an HR system to manage the personnel of Dash Core Group or personnel of any other company working for the network.
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2 points,19 days ago
As samli88 pointed out, masternode owners have a 4th voting option available to them, which is to vote "delete yes" to delete this proposal from the budget list and memory entirely. It will need 66% support I think samli88 wrote. I'm asking rango if this option can be integrated into Dash Central.
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2 points,19 days ago
Now it may be difficult to reach 66%, but it can serve as a strong signal to indicate something is very wrong with such a proposal. Specially if it gets more votes then the other voting options.
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2 points,19 days ago
We can even set a rule which will invalidate a polling proposal, when the delete yes votes are higher then the yes, no and abstain votes.
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1 point,18 days ago
All good ideas. Seconded.

Walter
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3 points,19 days ago
This dickhead PO has done us a favor by highlighting a deficiency of the voting system. We need a separate proposal type for decision proposals and funding proposals.
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2 points,18 days ago
Why are you insulting me? What have I done to you to deserve this treatment?
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3 points,18 days ago
Why don't you just come to one of the discords or telegram groups and discuss your concerns there?
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4 points,19 days ago
Simple question: Why did you structure it with a payout of 15 Dash instead of 5 Dash? A governance proposal has never asked for more than 5 Dash. Plus, it's phrased totally backwards such that if we give Fernando a big vote of approval with many YES votes, you get rewarded with Dash. I have no idea if this was intentional or just sloppy.

I'm abstaining until the ambiguity and weirdness goes away.

I would point out that this proposal demonstrates the censorship resistance of the Dash Treasury system. ANYBODY can put up a proposal for 5 Dash.

solarguy
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0 points,19 days ago
It's written on the proposal:
"Because those who criticize Dash are lumped together and discredited as trolls, I chose this question format and made it a net +10 DASH proposal (-5 + 15) deliberately, so that the Macrochip's and Gerhard's have an incentive to vote the topic and not to punish the proposer. "

Abstain is a valid vote.

If anything, this demonstrate Dash lacks governance and the ability to respect users. I only wanted a new CMO and a better moderator, now I'm not sure I want to continue investing in this.
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5 points,19 days ago
You shot yourself in the foot with this approach. Many people will vote No just to deny you the profit, regardless of what they think of Fernando. That makes any statistics you collect here pointless.
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3 points,19 days ago
To realist,
Oh, I read the proposal, but found the explanation lacking. Why would giving yourself an extra 10 Dash make the Macrochips and Gerhards less likely to punish the proposer? It seems pretty self evident that it would make them want to punish you more. A does not lead to B. So..no further explanation?
solarguy
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5 points,19 days ago
Well you’ve kind of answered your own question. Maybe this project just isn’t for you?

Walter
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4 points,19 days ago
If MNOs are really against this you know it's possible to vote to delete it?

You have to use your MN to do so... `gobject vote-conf <proposal-id> delete yes`, on each individual masternode. If enough MNs didn't want to tolerate this (I think the threshold is > 66%) then they can literally vote this off the network.
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3 points,19 days ago
My point is that as MNOs we don't have to tolerate this abuse if we don't want to. We have the votes and can delete the proposals we consider invalid. Dash was never a democracy, is always a meritocracy.

We don't have to put up with abusive actors in the system. So let's don't. Just shut it down.
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5 points,19 days ago
Maybe we need some type of Robert's rules.

A no vote should mean the body of masternode owners did not act.
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-3 points,19 days ago
You don't get to change the rules. A No vote to a Yes/No question means exactly what it does.
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4 points,19 days ago
A proposal owner indeed does not get to change the rules, a no vote means a no to your funding request. Which in this case would be a no to your 15 dash that you seek funding for.

Your poll has been invalid from the start by the way.
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5 points,20 days ago
Come on now guys, would you please cease the constant attacks against this PO? It's ridiculous...

The question asked by this proposal is legit, and it gives us opportunity to vote on the issue.
It should be clear, the MNO network has the final say and can override or supersede decisions made by DCG.
And yes, if true, it is indeed problematic if some people get their position mainly because of a personal relationship, rather than performance, ability and results.

Having said that, i'd like to advise the PO in future to not ask for more than 5 Dash reimbursement for each non-funding governance proposal, as well as align a Yes outcome with the potential change introduced by the proposal, and a No outcome with the status quo, not vice-versa.
This will safeguard the meaningfulness of a raised question, and prevent the usual trolls to distract attention away from the raised question itself.
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4 points,19 days ago
I consider this proposal invalid as a polling proposal for reasons outlined already. Looking at the comments it's pretty clear that most masternode owners do not see this proposal as a valid polling of the network either.

This means the polling part of the proposal failed already and is not legit in any way or form.
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4 points,20 days ago
This proposal is ridiculous. It is poorly constructed and meaningless. It is wasting MNOs time. There is no way I will consider the outcome of this proposal a legitimate mandate when it comes to discharging my duty as a Trust Protector.

Walter
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-3 points,20 days ago
Walter, you are doing a disservice for Dash by suggesting that MNOs are too dumb to understand a simple question, or that they are too careless and vote without paying attention. What part of a Yes/No/Abstain question is ridiculous? If you don't think this is valid, you can vote Abstain. Everyone here knows exactly what they're doing.

I have paid 5 Dash to ask the question to the Dash network, and I have offered to put Dash in escrow with Dash Watch. It is not written anywhere that a proposal has to be for X DASH, or that it has to be stated in the positive.

Also, be very careful with your comments. What makes you think you have the power to ignore a Governance proposal, or decide which one is legitimate or isn't? Dash is decentralized, not your pet project, Mr. Trust Protector.

Finally, there is no reason to call me a dickhead, to say I'm wasting MNOs time, and call my proposal ridiculous and meaningless. It's not surprising that you get along well with Macrochip. Someone in your position should be more respectful towards others.
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6 points,19 days ago
The poll is meaningless. There is a total lack of understanding as to how Dash Core Inc. and the Dash DAO is structured.

1. Management of resources and employees are an internal matter for the directors of Dash Core Group Inc.
2. Only the board of Directors have the power to decide on how best to run the company. That includes HR management.
3. The Dao has no say on hiring/firing of individual employees of Dash Core Group Inc.
4. The trust protectors only have the ability to make changes to the board of Directors should the network decisively request change, via a governance vote.

If your question was “should we remove Fernando as a Director of Dash Core Group Inc.?” Then action could be taken by the trust protectors should the DAO vote decisively for us to do this.

At the end of the day, marketing at Dash Core and how it is run is an internal matter. It’s up to Ryan and the other Directors to manage.

Walter
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3 points,20 days ago
"The question asked by this proposal is legit, and it gives us opportunity to vote on the issue.
It should be clear, the MNO network has the final say and can override or supersede decisions made by DCG" - I am not familiar with the Dash DAO ever having the right to decide on whether specific members of teams the treasury may fund but not own retain employment. Dash Core Group for example is not Dash. It is a foreign entity with it's own decision making processes regarding team size and employees. That said, circumstances have changed in early 2019, thus specific oversights of the Dash Core Group can be potentially be sought via the elected Trust Protectors.
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1 point,19 days ago
I understand your objection that a DAO verdict regarding an employment position within DCG cannot be enforced or legally binding, because DCG is not Dash itself.
But if in contrast, the MNO network would decide about a technical aspect of Dash, DCG could refuse to obey by arguing along the same rhetoric. It's bs and you know it.

Legally speaking the vote of the DAO may have 'only' guidance character in such a matter. Agreed.
But it really doesn't matter, because ultimately DCG should not dare to ignore the wishes of the network but needs to respect, honor and obey the decisions made by the DAO (whatever they are).
Or assuming the risk of doing the exact opposite and face the potential consequences.

Trust Protectors either don't have the power to remove/replace somebody, will never come to a two-thirds agreement among them in such a matter, let alone dare to pull it off, even if (!) it were the right thing to do.
They are a toothless tiger.
There is no reason to argue the DAO should be too.
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1 point,19 days ago
Trust Protectors aside, the DAO simply decides whether treasury funds should be allocated to DCG. The DAO make their own decisions about code and staff etc. DCG may provide transparency to keep DAO voters happy.
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1 point,19 days ago
Correction: DCG make their own decisions about code and staff etc
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3 points,19 days ago
Why are you asking for 15 Dash? This proposal is null and void. If we vote YES, we are voting to pay you. If we vote NO, you will take it as a sign that we want Fernando fired.

The proposal is null and void. Try again with a 5 Dash payout just to cover the proposal fee, and then this will be a legitimate vote.
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2 points,19 days ago
No it won't. You can't change the rules and say "yes means no and no means yes". The proposal automatically is a "no" if MNOs abstain (i.e. doesn't pass). The system is based on 10% of MNOs voting "yes" = "yes".

Yes does not mean no. Proposal owners can't just make up their own rules however they want.
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0 points,19 days ago
YES = YES.
NO = NO.
Abstain = Abstain.

You don't get to change the rules either. This is a decision question and not a funding proposal.
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3 points,18 days ago
You made it a funding proposal when you requested 15 dash.
Those voting NO are voting NO to that 15 Dash and also most likely because this is all pointless, the DAO has no control over internal job functions inside DCG. The DAO only has control over budgets, and indirectly some control through the Trust Protectors.

Which makes this proposal both invalid and pointless as a polling mechanism.
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-1 point,19 days ago
You don't get to decide what proposals are null and void. I paid the 5 Dash fee. It is a YES/NO question and if you don't like the wait is is structured then vote ABSTAIN.

For the reasons why, it is written on the proposal:
"Because those who criticize Dash are lumped together and discredited as trolls, I chose this question format and made it a net +10 DASH proposal (-5 + 15) deliberately, so that the Macrochip's and Gerhard's have an incentive to vote the topic and not to punish the proposer. "

I also offered to put 10 DASH on escrow on Dash Watch, since you guys are willing to ruin Dash's governance and make all this mess over $600.
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6 points,20 days ago
Congrats. You win the Dash dickhead of the month award.

Enjoy!

Walter
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1 point,19 days ago
For everyone watching, Walter is an elected Trust Protector and a Supervisor of the Dash Investment Foundation. This is the kind of people that runs Dash.
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5 points,19 days ago
You’re misinformed yet again. I don’t run Dash.

Also no sure what my elected roles have to do with anything?

Walter
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7 points,20 days ago
Were you dropped on your head as a child?
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-3 points,20 days ago
Great comment, archiving for the future to see how people are treated on Dash.
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2 points,19 days ago
for you archive- https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/dbrrsb/dao_drama_is_the_best_drama/
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1 point,19 days ago
Hehe good one ? abstain is best to do imo ?
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2 points,19 days ago
At this point I'm starting to think "delete yes" maybe even better, if it was actually supported on both Dash Central and Dash Nexus (also visible on those sites with regards to number of "delete propsal" votes). It can delete such a proposal from the budget list/memory. There is a high treshold though (66%)
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0 points,19 days ago
Vote "abstain" to curb the action of haters.
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3 points,20 days ago
voting NO to this proposal being funded. My vote does not pertain to Fernando's current employment status, of which I have no current objection to.

I am not familiar with the Dash DAO ever having the right to decide on whether specific members of teams the treasury may fund but not own retain employment. Dash Core Group for example is not Dash. It is a foreign entity with it's own decision making processes regarding team size and employees. That said, circumstances have changed in early 2019, thus specific oversights of the Dash Core Group can be potentially be sought via the elected Trust Protectors.
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5 points,20 days ago
Putting this proposal in where "No" somehow means both "don't fund" and also "support your point", renders this vote basically meaningless. If you had actually wanted this to carry any weight at all you would have arranged it such that "Yes" (hence, funding) is actually aligned with your intended outcome, not the opposite. Thanks for your 5 dash donation
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-2 points,20 days ago
"Should Fernando Gutierrez CONTINUE to be the Chief Marketing Officer for Dash Core Group?"
Yes, No, or Abstain. There is nothing meaningless here.
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4 points,20 days ago
Because taking the position AGAINST yours involves potentially awarding you 15 dash. Do you not see how this is at odds? It's a fundamentally flawed proposal. If you want to change the status quo, the vote to change the status quo should be in the affirmative. By crossing up the funding into this you have made it impossible to ascertain whether people are voting no because they agree with your proposal or whether they're voting no because they don't want you to be funded. Tip for the future, if you want to *change* the status quo, then tie the change to an *affirmative* vote. Going "vote to fund me if you disagree with me" is just a flat out cluster.
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0 points,20 days ago
If I send 10 DASH $600 to Dash Watch, will you shut up and vote on the question?

I am polling the network with a YES/NO/ABSTAIN question. It's not about funding, just vote the damn question.
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4 points,20 days ago
I'll vote on it for sure if you put in a new proposal where YES = change

I appreciate the offer to send Dash to DW but I get the feeling that even if you were to do this, the outcome of this proposal is inevitably going to be skewed in a way that it would not have been if it had been done correctly. Others can interpret it as they like, but I am personally inclined to toss the result.
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-1 point,20 days ago
So is the Dash governance subject to interpretation now? What part of a simple YES/NO/ABSTAIN question is not clear?
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2 points,19 days ago
It's very simple, your voting poll failed as a polling mechanism and is not valid. The yes/no/abstains refers to your 15 dash getting funded or not.

Something tells me you are not getting those 15 dash funded.
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-1 point,20 days ago
Sure, send me the 5 DASH and I'll put a new proposal. XyH49GkUxXAThxHDZ9NZiPq5pqreoMHMSN
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5 points,20 days ago
Voting no of course to ensure failure of this proposal, and ones in a similar vain. Any change of DAO positions is a decision for the CEO and is operational.
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2 points,20 days ago
best way is to abstain or not vote (let this proposal die , and no decision and done )
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1 point,19 days ago
Guys, Dash's marketing is not a complete mess it is simply absent. PRing and selling Chainlocks and InstantSend - the greatest technological achievements in industry so far - have been failed. Market share is sinking. When are you going to change smth? At 10 USD/dash?
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0 points,19 days ago
Oh, I see now how this proposal made. It's designed to confuse. Trolling, obviously. Too sad. Will re-vote then. However, we still need changes.
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5 points,20 days ago
You are not asking for a polling of the network, you are asking for 15 Dash ($1057) and making some bullshit story and hoping enough masternode owners will vote yes, so you get that 15 Dash one-time payment.

Only logical thing to do is either ABSTAIN or vote NO to these kind of proposals and deny this person any funding.

Remember people, this is in no way a polling proposal !!
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-6 points,20 days ago
I've spent 5 Dash making this proposal. I'll only receive 10 DASH ($600) if the proposal is funded. And I just spend another 5 DASH to make a proposal on Macrochip, so now I am only "scamming" the Dash DAO for +5 DASH.

Is that enough for you to evaluate the proposal on its merits now?
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8 points,20 days ago
You are not getting the 15 Dash that you are requesting from the DAO, plain and simple.

You will also not get any Dash for any other proposal from me. In fact, from now on whenever i see your name attached to a proposal, it will be an instant NO (no matter what you are trying to "poll").

Wrong approach, wrong type of polling proposal, just wrong on so many levels.
I just hope at some point that the realist in you will understand, that this will not work.
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3 points,20 days ago
best way is to abstain or not vote (let this proposal die , and no decision and done )
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5 points,20 days ago
I disagree, i dont consider this proposal a polling proposal because it is asking for 15 Dash, not 5 Dash, and also the proposal itself does not classify as a polling proposal in my eyes.

Which makes this just another funding proposal for me. One i vote NO on.
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3 points,20 days ago
it does not matter what you consider, code is clear
it is a trick question
Vote NO = i do not want fernando to be CMO ; )
Vote YES = i do want fernando to be .... + proposal owner getting paid
Vote ABSTAIN = none of this matters as it will not pass !!
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3 points,20 days ago
Code is clear indeed : polling proposals are specifically 5 Dash, this budget proposal is 15 Dash and more importantly this proposal is also directly conflicting with my voting options. Therefore poll is not valid and should be considered like any other budget proposal.

Which means the normal voting options for funding can be used (yes for funding, no for no funding, abstain if you dont have a preference for yes or no).
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-2 points,20 days ago
"polling proposals are specifically 5 Dash" where is that on the code?

I don't want any Dash. If I gave 10 DASH to Dash Watch in escrow, just in case, will you shut the fuck up?
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2 points,19 days ago
If you dont want any Dash, then you should not have asked for 15 Dash and should not have formulated your proposal the way you did.
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0 points,20 days ago
I agree! Except I will never be paid because proposals need supermajority, in case you didn't know. And even if I get paid, it'll be 5 DASH.

Why are you telling Masternodes not to vote on the proposal?
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4 points,20 days ago
u are trying to rig the system with trick questions - they can vote whatever , i am not tell them what to do, just putting out there what is going on and how to circumvent it
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-3 points,20 days ago
Tungfa:
1. for the second time, the word is "tricky", not "trick".
2. "I am not tell them" should be "I am not telling them".
3. The question is only tricky because you lack basic english skills. It's a simple YES/NO/ABSTAIN question.
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-1 point,20 days ago
>>> "from now on whenever i see your name attached to a proposal, it will be an instant NO (no matter what you are trying to "poll")."

You are exactly the reason why I added +10 DASH. People like YOU and Macrochip are unable to vote on the topic, all you care about are personal attacks and insults.

I am pooling the network on Fernando. I spent 5 DASH on this proposal, 5 DASH on Macrochip's, and proposals need supermajority to be funded. There is nothing wrong with this proposal: it is a YES/NO/ABSTAIN question. I only want a new CMO and a better moderator for Reddit. Don't make me doubt the entire governance system.
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1 point,19 days ago
Everything is wrong with this proposal and your other proposal. Both are invalid as a polling mechanism, a simple look at the comments will show you that.
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1 point,19 days ago
keep making proposals until you don't have any more dash.
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3 points,20 days ago
Both 2MB blocks and the logo were adopted after a supermajority was achieved. A simple majority is not relevant. Also, governance questions do not request Dash over the required reimbursement amount — as that colors the decision. That is the clear precedent.

As far as I am concerned this is not a valid poll of the masternodes.

Voting ABSTAIN.
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1 point,20 days ago
ABSTAIN is a valid vote. If I gave 10 DASH to Dash Watch on escrow, will you vote on whether we should have a new CEO or NOT?

You're a Masternode Owner. You have a chance to vote to get a new CMO and you're not voting because of $600. If I put a new proposal, will you vote?
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0 points,19 days ago
Seems reasonable that we could look into hiring someone new for the position?
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-1 point,19 days ago
Seems pretty unreasonable to me.
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0 points,19 days ago
I think we can all agree that it's time for you to find another career. This is just not working out.

Now I am not a professional career counselor, but IMHO, given your forceful personality, and given your parasitic nature, you would make a great pimp.
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4 points,20 days ago
So to summarize... "Rather than making any points" I'll share some cherry-picked misinformation about how much money the marketing budget was funded 18 months ago (which is based on the price at the time the funding was requested near the peak value of dash, not the amount actually received), and I'll withhold how the much smaller amount of funding actually received was spent.

Let's set aside whether or not individual roles should be voted on by the DAO and whether MNOs have enough visibility into individual performance from the outside to make this decision more effectively than the organization they work for. Let's also set aside whether it is a good idea to incentivize individuals working for DAO-funded entities to spend their time doing their jobs or instead make sure they spend their time promoting themselves effectively to the DAO to make sure the MNOs think highly of them. Setting those issues aside, you don't share any information here on why you personally think he's doing a bad job other than some budgets from early 2018 that never amounted to much once the price moved down rapidly in the spring of 2018 and fixed cost parts of them (like for conferences) were paid.
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5 points,20 days ago
To be clear, I have no problem with criticisms but there is a right way to present your case. This was a disingenuous and dated set of facts presented. Not an honest attempt at debate of an important issue.
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-3 points,20 days ago
I've spent 5 Dash making this proposal. I'll only receive 10 DASH ($600) if the proposal is funded. And I just spend another 5 DASH to make a proposal on Macrochip, so now I am only "scamming" the Dash DAO for +5 DASH.

Is that enough for you to evaluate the proposals on their merits now?
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2 points,20 days ago
Anyone can create a budget proposal for 5 Dash, give it a title ending with a questionmark and then put his own favourable terms / conditions to it and call it a polling proposal or pooling proposal or whatever you want to call it. However it is still the masternode owners that get to decide how to allocate the available Dash budget. Since the proposal fees are still part of that unallocated budget, it is up to each masternode owner to decide if they want to allocate it on a polling proposal fee or if they want to allocate it on a actual budget proposal. This will depends on the polling proposal itself and how important it is to the whole Dash network.

I decided that the Dash proposal fees for both this proposal and your other proposal (together 20 Dash), is far better allocated towards budget proposals that put actual value to the network.

Which means i vote NO to free those proposal fees (20 Dash) up for actual budget proposals.
This means that masternode owners voting options (yes, no, abstain) can overrule any voting conditions / favourable terms in these proposals.
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-1 point,19 days ago
Notice how many people are trying to discredit this proposal, but not a single one is willing to put $300 to ask the questions in the format they're accusing me of not following.

I only wanted a better CMO and Reddit moderator, there was no need for so many of you to attack me personally. You have called me a dickhead, said my proposal was ridiculous and meaningless, asked if I was dropped in my head as a child, said that I'm making a bullshit story, accused me of bing a scammer, and also called me a piece of shit and moron in your chat room.

You are not good people. This is circulating on Twitter and will likely be news in a few days and will cause millions in losses.
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1 point,20 days ago
I urge every MNO thats commenting, to atleast consider not reducing themselves to this low level comments and insults.. and ad hominem attacks

I ask that you all please maintain a professional image for and behalf of the dao so that way external users that may want to peak into the inner workings of the dao are not exposed toxic environment from historical proposals
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1 point,20 days ago
I urge every MNO thats commenting, to atleast consider not reducing themselves to this low level comments and insults.. and ad hominem attacks

I ask that you all please maintain a professional image for and behalf of the dao so that way external users that may want to peak into the inner workings of the dao are not exposed toxic environment from historical proposals
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0 points,20 days ago
I think it's too late for that, but thanks!
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1 point,20 days ago
LOL, I'll keep this simple, this is even in alphabetical order. N O.
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0 points,20 days ago
"More Yes's = he stays as CMO, more No's = DCG is instructed to hire a new talented CMO from the market. "

Incorrect, more No's in this case simply means your "proposal" will not pass the treshold and will not receive any funding. Nothing more, nothing less.
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-1 point,20 days ago
I agree with that Tungfa said below: (the) "code is clear".
"Vote NO = i do not want fernando to be CMO ; )
Vote YES = i do want fernando to be .... + proposal owner getting paid
Vote ABSTAIN = none of this matters as it will not pass !!"

Except I will NOT be paid on this proposal. Ever. Proposals are only paid with SUPERMAJORITY. And even if I get paid, it'll be 5 Dash, which I will gladly donate to the DIF.

18/18 comments so far were ad hominem attacks on me. Great!
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3 points,20 days ago
Julio, it's time to go bud.
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1 point,20 days ago
This isn't Julio bud
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2 points,18 days ago
Drako, it's time to go mate.
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