Proposal “dn-discord-renewal-06-11“ (Active)Back

Title:Dash Nation on Discord Renewal (Expanding To Other Forums)
Owner:TaoOfSatoshi
Monthly amount: 21 DASH (3171 USD)
Completed payments: 3 totaling in 63 DASH (2 month remaining)
Payment start/end: 2018-05-19 / 2018-10-15 (added on 2018-05-25)
Votes: 1038 Yes / 145 No / 10 Abstain
Will be funded: Yes
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Proposal description

https://i.imgur.com/zvTPZCh.png

Hello, I’m Tao Of Satoshi.

You may know me from my YouTube channel Cash Alternative TV, my Twitter account @CashAlternative, or from my role as the founder of the Dash Nation movement, and owner of the Dash Nation on Discord server.

This proposal seeks renewal funding for me and my team to continue offering a steady collaboration and communication platform with the Dash Nation on Discord channel, as well as assuming moderator duties in other areas such as Reddit and Dash Forum.

Out of the ashes of previous iterations, Dash Nation Slack was a great place for Dashers to hang out, collaborate, and exchange opinions and stories about Dash. Unfortunately, this platform did not want to cater to communities, even successful ones. As such, there did not exist any type of moderation tools with teeth to deal with the inevitable arrival of spammers and scammers.

On October 18th, 2017, Dash Nation moved to its now permanent home on the Discord platform. After taking awhile to hit its stride after being ripped from its former home, Dash Nation is now thriving on Discord. The moderation tools there are more efficient to deal with the problems, and Discord caters to communities. On top of this, Discord also offers their platform free of charge.

A few Dash Nation on Discord stats:

– Members: 4022
– Categories: 17 (General Chat, Markets, Development, Dash Projects, Proposal discussion and more)
– Dash proposals that communicate and collaborate on Dash Nation: 21 known

A community generally does not moderate itself, however, and Dash Nation is no exception to this. After learning from failed experiences, I devised a list of simple rules that need to be in place to have a respectful, semi-professional environment that would be very open and receptive to newcomers. Ever since I became in charge of Dash Nation Slack, I have moderated it and Dash Nation on Discord to the best of my ability.

I will be expanding my role to become a moderator on Reddit and Dash Forum as well, and would submit my name for consideration to become community manager as well. After recent events, I am eager to represent Dash to the best of my ability, and uphold its standards that we should be proud of. Above all, treating everyone with fairness. Rules apply to everyone, including myself and the moderation team. We would also like to ask for a little funding to begin actively engaging in tipping for valuable contributions to Dash Nation on Discord, this budget would be divided among the moderators to distribute.

Please support Dash Nation on Discord, help keep our forums semi-professional, and let’s keep building the movement!

Monthly breakdown of renewal terms: (5 months of services, June-October)

Reimbursement of proposal fee: 1 Dash
Tao Of Satoshi Discord, Reddit and Dash Forum moderation and community engagement services: 15 Dash
Engagement (tipping) budget: 3 Dash
Miscellaneous (hiring new moderators, possible Discord collaborations) 2 Dash

Total monthly amount: 21 Dash

As always, I will maintain a strict accounting of budget funding and will forward unused funds to the following renewal.

Cheers, Tao Of Satoshi

Vote Yes: gobject vote-many 477f52cc73d6c9eaa2aff461052756ee248d71b50e556bc9821146613386a10d funding yes

Vote No: gobject vote-many 477f52cc73d6c9eaa2aff461052756ee248d71b50e556bc9821146613386a10d funding no

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Discussion: Should we fund this proposal?

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1 point,3 days ago
I would like to thank the masternodes for your continued support. I’m happy to do what I can to keep Dash’s communication channels respectful and free of speculation-based narratives. Cheers.
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0 points,6 days ago
Tao, I came out against kuvacash and you banned me, claiming I made a "personal attack." I made no such attack. Then I find out you are publicly endorsing Kuvacash along with two other moderators. Maybe this is coincidence, but if there is any abuse of power, it should not be subsidized by the treasury. I challenge you to write here what it was I said that was considered a personal attack and let the community decide if your censorship was appropriate.
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1 point,5 days ago
Sure, your posts violated Dash Nation rules, as did the comments of the person you were arguing with. You both received a 48 hour ban. Whether or not I support a proposal does not affect how I uphold the posted rules. In addition, you were not banned for personal attacks, you were banned for multiple violations of the speculation as fact rule. Unproven narratives are dangerous, and can lead to bad decisions made from baseless accusations. These have no place in Dash Nation, and the masternodes are supporting me on this. Cheers.
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0 points,4 days ago
Who are you talking about? I seriously don't even know. We have discussions and present opposing views. That's the purpose of the forum. What did I say to that person or about that person that was considered a rules violation? I keep asking and have yet to get an answer. If you removed an ostensible ally who was behaving counterproductively towards your cause near the same time you removed a formidable opponent, then that would not mean you acted impartially.
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0 points,4 days ago
Wait, so it's now NOT for making a personal attack? The charge is different but the sentence is the same? I have said many times that I believe the "speculation as fact" rule is the one most open to interpretation and abuse, but even still I don't know what the specific alleged rule violation was. I have made the blanket statement that 100% of what I say is speculation to one degree or another, and in my opinion so is what you or anybody else says for that matter, so how could I possibly ever be in violation? Please stop abusing this subjective and arbitrary rule. In my opinion it is doing immeasurable damage to our community.
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1 point,4 days ago
It never was about you making a personal attack. Please refer to the direct message I sent you on Discord before you were banned. This is not difficult. You violated Dash Nation rules a number of times and were temp-banned because of it. The rules are applied fairly to all members, and I'm sorry that you can't assert that your opinion is gospel, without supporting facts. You will never be able to do this in Dash Nation-moderated forums. Your ban is now lifted, btw, please observe the rules upon your return.
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-3 points,4 days ago
I will spare you a philosophical treatise on the extreme difficulty of knowing almost anything with absolute certainty, but suffice it to say that if almost everything is speculation to an extent, the "speculation as fact" rule and selective enforcement of it gives moderators enormous leeway to throw you weight around in ways not conducive to free and open discourse. Simply claiming that you don't do it in spite of the obvious ability and temptation to do so is not exactly a compelling counterargument. The timing looks bad, Tao.
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2 points,3 days ago
Fellow Dash Nation moderator here. I drew attention to your rules violation and stand by the ban, and I completely agreed with your Kuva comments.
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1 point,3 days ago
LOL! What are you saying? You agreed with me? Is presenting facts as speculation ALSO against the rules? This is getting rather silly. You need to either find a better pretext to abuse your power or stop doing it.
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0 points,3 days ago
How are you even whitelisted to comment here? I'm sorry, but I'm sort of new. Are you Dash Nation's Minister of Propaganda?
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-1 point,6 days ago
abuse of power? The MNO's are getting exactly what their whales are voting for, a ripple clone.
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-1 point,5 days ago
I hope not. Ripple will fail. Math is more reliable than people.
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0 points,13 days ago
Just a clarification for those who may not be aware: This proposal does not cover BCT or DashCentral. These forums remain unmoderated. Thank you for your continuing support.
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-1 point,23 days ago
Dash Watch July 27th 2018 Report on
Dash Nation on Discord Renewal (Expanding To Other Forums)
https://dashwatch.org/files/1532770240888.pdf
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1 point,1 month ago
All I know is you brought censorship to the subreddit. Thanks a lot /S

Voting no x12.
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-1 point,1 month ago
While I’m sorry I didn’t get your vote, I really have no idea what you are talking about. Unless ensuring respectful, facts-based arguments classifies as censorship in your opinion. No post has ever been deleted because of an opinion as long as I’ve been moderating on Discord, Dash Forum or the subreddit. Please back up this baseless accusation.
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1 point,1 month ago
Dash Watch June 26th 2018 Report on
Dash Nation on Discord Renewal (Expanding To Other Forums) by TaoOfSatoshi
https://dashwatch.org/files/1530052305369.pdf
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2 points,2 months ago
Project update: The process of unifying the other two forums to Dash Nation rules is going well. There are some who are not happy due to the rules changing and not allowing them to do things they may have gotten used to getting away with, but for the most part the transition has been smooth. Thanks again for your support.
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1 point,2 months ago
Yes. You are a leader by example. Keep up the great work.
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1 point,2 months ago
Thanks to all of you for your support. The newly formed Dash Nation Moderation Team, with the help of Tungfa and Fernando, is preparing to implement Dash Nation rules to the three main forums. When this is done, I will be making an announcement. Cheers!
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1 point,2 months ago
Thank you for your services to the community.
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0 points,2 months ago
Easy yes.
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0 points,2 months ago
Thanks for your support!
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-1 point,2 months ago
While I fully support Tao and the work he has done; I think it’s foolish to pay him this much for his moderation. This is over $30 per hour, if he spent 40 hours a week moderating Discord! There are several other mods here that don’t get paid or are being paid via Dash Force News. Why isn’t Tao paying them via this proposal? Tao has done a great job and Discord has been a great place for the community but I feel this is just getting voted in due to Tao’s standing in the community and not based on what it brings to Dash. This proposal should be to pay all the mods on Discord/Reddit/Forums and not just Tao. Let’s not forget about all the other people that make this a great place.
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3 points,2 months ago
I’m not forgetting about the other mods that do a lot to make Dash Nation on Discord a great place to communicate and collaborate.

The miscellaneous part of the budget will be used to reward mods that aren’t currently being paid. Next renewal I will streamline everything so as to all be under the same proposal.

As for my remuneration, one needs to look no further than the Bitcoin and BTC Reddits to see the damage that can be done by not having a stable, fair place to communicate based on facts, not influencing opinion based on censorship, and posting baseless speculation as fact. It does irreparable damage to the community, and sets back growth.

Dash Nation, on the Discord, Reddit, and Dash Forum, will provide this positive, stable environment. The benefits of that aspect more than outweigh the ask I have made to the network.

Hope this helps.
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3 points,2 months ago
speaking of:
"I will be expanding my role to become a moderator on Reddit and Dash Forum as well, and would submit my name for consideration to become community manager as well"
Fernando and me had multiple conversations with Tao about this , and yes we totally support the efforts , he would be a great help for the Forum Moderation !
God's speed ; )
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4 points,2 months ago
Thanks, @tungfa. Appreciate yours and Fernando’s support!
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3 points,2 months ago
Wait to be actually involved to know if you really appreciate, it can get really messy :D

Now seriously, it is great to that are willing to step up on this. I'm sure both Reddit and Dash Forum will be a better place to discuss because of your involvement and TroyDash's.
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2 points,2 months ago
That's the goal!
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3 points,2 months ago
If you can make Dash Reddit a place as stimulating, respectful and open as Discord, I would actually hang out there. Spin your magic Tao!!
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2 points,2 months ago
Cheers! I will make every effort for that to happen.
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1 point,2 months ago
Yes, keep up the good job.
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1 point,2 months ago
Thanks.
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0 points,2 months ago
YES. I am a member but hardly use discord. Will start using it more.
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0 points,2 months ago
Thank you! It’s great for real-time conversations to help with consensus. Looking forward to seeing you there!
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0 points,2 months ago
Adjusted the size of the Dash Nation on Discord image, so the beginning of the proposal description is visible. Thanks for the feedback!
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0 points,2 months ago
Fighting with the DashCentral API, ATM. For a proposal description, please visit dashnation.com.

http://www.dashnation.com/news/proposal-dash-nation-on-discord-renewal-expanding-to-other-forums/
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1 point,2 months ago
Why no proposal description?
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1 point,2 months ago
Fixed. I just had to adjust the size of the Dash Nation on Discord image.
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0 points,2 months ago
Ok, just appeared :)
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0 points,2 months ago
Voting yes, good luck.
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0 points,2 months ago
Thanks very much, BitcoinTalk warrior!
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1 point,2 months ago
With closed eyes, pressing YES from me as well. This is an important place to stay, get the first impression with the community and simply stay around. Tao you do a great work and am definitely supporting it.
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1 point,2 months ago
Thanks, pal, I’m happy you feel that way. It’s very important to me as Dash Nation founder to have a semi-professional, constructive environment for Dash ideas to be created and grow.
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0 points,2 months ago
voting yes... of course
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0 points,2 months ago
Thanks, wingman! Or is that me...
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0 points,2 months ago
Voting yes. However it's not enough to bring good moderators in, the bad ones have to be kicked out
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0 points,2 months ago
Thank you for your confidence in me.
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4 points,2 months ago
Hey Tao, what happened to all the Dash from the Slack proposal? Was that all spent? I know Dash Nation cut out from Slack shortly after the funded proposal.

Also are you or DFN currently paying for moderators on Discord Dash?

And yes Dash Nation Discord is awesome!
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6 points,2 months ago
Most of the Discord mods are not paid. We/Dash Force pay TroyDash, Agnewpickens and Macrochip $300 each a month to help mod. Macrochip also does lots of mod work on Reddit.

Myself, Joel, Mark, splawik, Triptolemoose, Delta engine, and moocow are unpaid mods.
Myself, Joel, Mark, splawik and moocow are happy to help mod for free and are not seeking any funding to do so.
TroyDash, Agnewpickens and Macrochip are the most active mods so Dash Force pays them on behalf of the community to show our appreciation for their efforts. Moocow is also very active helping run spam bot filters and lots of other work behind the scenes that keep Discord running smoothly.

Arthyron is the latest Discord mod. I have been talking to him for a week or 2 about joining Dash Force and he will officially start next month.
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1 point,2 months ago
Thank you for the vote of confidence on Dash Nation on Discord!

Regarding the Slack funds, you will find a detailed report here. The remainder at the end was used to fund my services for April, at a discounted rate.

http://www.dashnation.com/news/dash-nation-slack-discord-upgrade-report/

Currently, DN moderators are paid from Dash Force funds, an arrangement I see no problem with, but could change in the future were it to become one.
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0 points,2 months ago
I was afraid that when TaoOFSatoshi underwent his image re-branding-cutting off his hair and sharpening his look-that all of us in Dash Nation could possibly suffer. I feared he had sold out and feared any moment he might begin showboating and using his considerable amount of clout to silence any opposition to ideas he didn't support. I expected exorbitant proposal price tags from him and even braced myself for a possible new era of Dash as a TaoTeDictatorship.

And yet this never happened.

He remains the Steven Seagal of Dash. He gets stuff done efficiently without needing praise and glamour. He is the quintessential Dash Ambassador. I also thought his idea for a Dash Dolphin mascot was worth exploring.

IN short-TaoOFSatoshi inspires others to join-FACT.
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0 points,2 months ago
Thank you so much for those kind words. I will continue to do my best in whatever way I can to see the expansion of Dash Nation and the values it represents throughout the globe. Cheers!
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4 points,2 months ago
Dash Nation Discord is the best place for Dash community chat.

If you are a MNO be sure to contact a mod and we will add you to the discord #MNO channels.

Invite link: https://discord.gg/9z8zX5j
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3 points,2 months ago
Yes, if you’re not already there, come join us! It’s the premier place for Dash collaboration and communication. I will gladly add any interested MNOs to the separate channel.
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2 points,2 months ago
If Dash Core is the heart of the Dash community, then Tao and his team are certainly the soul! I don't think they need my comments to pass, therefore my only reason for posting is to say Thank You! Thank you so very much, you make it a stimulating and pleasant environment to be in Dash! You all have the right vision. Nobody is ever censored, they are only required to be polite and respectful. That is something people should be no matter what, even if they are anonymous. Thank you again!!!
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2 points,2 months ago
Thank you for the kind words, Tante! I will continue to do my best in that role.
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1 point,2 months ago
Tao has been a rock solid pillar for our Discord channel and our community in general, and with more help definitely being needed on the forum and on reddit, expanding his role in this way makes a lot of sense in addition to continuing the efforts on Discord. I believe with Tao's assistance this will also move us toward having a more consistent user experience when people are using the different mediums. Also, anything that could take a little weight off of tungfa's plate right now is something that will help. Thanks Tao :)
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0 points,2 months ago
Thank you for the support @TroyDash. You have been an excellent teammate to work with.
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0 points,2 months ago
yes of course
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0 points,2 months ago
Thank you for your vote!
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1 point,2 months ago
I do not use Discord that often due to time constraints. However I know it is an important part of DASH community. Therefore voting YES
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1 point,2 months ago
Thank you for this, @DeepBlue! You are always welcome there.
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0 points,2 months ago
Definite yes. We need more channels for communication and TaoOfSatoshi has done a stand up job so far. Keep it up!
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0 points,2 months ago
Thanks. I appreciate your support and kind words.
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-2 points,2 months ago
Is Macrochip/Basilpop going to be a part of the mod team? Because I don't think he is fit to be a moderator. Happy to vote yes if he is not a part of this.

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/basilpop-the-dash-subreddit-moderator-does-not-have-the-temperament-to-be-a-moderator-part-2.37699/
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0 points,2 months ago
While Macrochip has run into issues with some on Reddit, he observes the rules on Dash Nation on Discord in his duties as moderator there.

If I become moderator on Reddit and Dash Forum, the rules that have made Dash Nation on Discord a great communication environment will be in effect in those forums as well.

Everyone, including moderators, will have to follow these rules. You have my word on that. I consider fairness to be of the utmost importance. Ask my DN mod team, I’ve nodded myself countless times... :-)
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0 points,2 months ago
*modded
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1 point,2 months ago
Easy Yes thx for everything TaoOfSatoshi
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0 points,2 months ago
Thank you, sir. Appreciated.
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0 points,2 months ago
Yes! Thank you Tao!
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1 point,2 months ago
Cheers, Macno. Haven’t seen you around much lately!
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0 points,2 months ago
Easy yes.
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0 points,2 months ago
Thank you.
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0 points,2 months ago
cool proposal
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0 points,2 months ago
Cheers.
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0 points,2 months ago
This looks like a great fit to me. Discord has run like a well oiled machine. And certainly the Dash community would benefit from all three forums having consistent rules, even handed moderation and a professional demeanor. Yes for me!

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0 points,2 months ago
I’m happy that Dashers are valuing the work that we are doing in Discord. We would like to bring this to the other forums. Thanks for the support!
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0 points,2 months ago
I second what schuppdog said. Full support from me.
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0 points,2 months ago
Thank you, quantum. Your support is appreciated!
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0 points,2 months ago
Voted YES!
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0 points,2 months ago
Gracias, amigo! :-)
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