Welcome!

What is this proposal? I'm very busy this month, don't have time to read it. Can you please clearly describe what is being proposed in a single paragraph?

Certainly!

I am suggesting that there are people who attempt to use the Dash DAO to attack us, by gaslighting us with "proposals" designed to weaken Dash and improve the standing of our competition relative to us. Because Dash is so superior to other coins, in a way that they cannot compete with (instant transactions, governance, etc.), they resort to these low brow infiltration tactics, like making a bunch of bad "decision proposals" (like removing POW from Dash, etc.) to change Dash into something less effective than what it is. This proposal says that ONLY DCG can make decision proposals going forward and that MNOs should automatically downvote "decision proposals" from ANYONE ELSE.

therealDashman21 wants to have sex with a cabal of users thedesertlynx, lysergic, grandmasterdash, as well as others like Tantestefana.

thedesertlynx, lysergic, grandmasterdash, as well as others like Tantestefana don't want to have sex with therealDashman21.

This proposal forces thedesertlynx, lysergic, grandmasterdash, as well as others like Tantestefana to have sex with therealDashman21 while fluffypony records it.

Easy yes!

I'm so glad we have you to make a mockery of everything serious in this community. Where would we be without you and your group of circlejerking buttbuddies making light of every serious issue we have??? Thank you for providing evidence by your retarded defense of them that you are also working together with the cabal that I allege.

As you can see, trolling is afoot. This is what I'm against. These "people" are using dishonest tactics like above, speaking for other people (myself, the MNOs as a whole, etc.) in order to promote an AGENDA which is bad for the network. Their goal is to "cause Dash to self-destruct so that we can laugh at it and pretend like it isn't better than Monero and other crap coins". And they do it by infiltration and paying our "community members", people like Joel who hogged Dashboost funds and REFUSES to even talk about it (proof that I am correct) to do so.

They try to turn Dash INTO A JOKE, while other coins have diehard fans even though they don't have any ROI from owning their coins. They are trying to attack Dash with ABSURDITY, so as to say, "See? Your governance doesn't work. Because because because we were able to cheat! And be criminal assholes! Hahahaha WE'RE DOXING AND DDOS'ING masternode owners who don't agree with our stupid death cult! Hahahahahaha WE'RE SO CLEVER AND SO SMART BECAUSE WE CAN BE CRIMINAL ASSHOLES AND YOU CAN'T! THAT MEANS THAT MONERO IS BETTER THAN DASH!! AHHAHAHAHA!"

This is the kind of braindead stupidity that idiot assholes like Mastermined are "secretly" engaged in, so that they can MANIPULATE the cryptocurrency race and "pick favorites" like the bunch of STUPID powertripping asshole pieces of shit that they are!

Easy stress!

Hard NO

First of all, in Dash the Masternodes have the say !!!!
And rightly so, because they have the most skin in the game.

Your proposal tries to castrate the power of the Masternodes,
by taking away their ability to bring in decision proposals that could greatly benefit or even save the project.

You are inconsistent by criticizing DCG and the Team and then at the same time, you want empower DCG even more with the exclusive privilege of being able to submit decision proposals, like seriously?
Meaning someone who has a helpful decision proposal, would have to take the hurdle of succeeding to become a DCG member first.

Then you keep worshiping and praising Satoshi and his POW.
When several people who were in direct contact with Satoshi back in the early days, basically affirmed he was a real dickhead.
The reason for the high price of BTC is certainly not POW, but because it stood nailed at spot #1 - so far.
It could be ten times slower, have ten times higher fees and be ten times less userfriendly than it is right now,
and would still have this completely exaggerated price tag. Thank the ignorance of market participants for it,
especially those who invest other people´s money.

You say POW ensures the coins get 'into the hands of the people' LOL
As if 'the people' have the ASICs or access to cheap electricity. More lies from you.
Satoshi would have replied to your nonsense: 'the people can go screw themselves' and rightly so !!!!
You think POW is some kind of holy grail, but it isn´t.

First of all first of all, are you a MNO? Where is your badge?

"First of all, in Dash the Masternodes have the say !!!!"

First of all I never said anything differently !!!! The problem is that non-MNO and even some MNOs are proposing proposals that are detrimental to the network and gaslighting the network with false narratives about "improvements". Dash is a POW coin. It is designed in the whitepaper to emit till 2400. Therefore, any proposal to "move to POS" like cited in the original post is detrimental to the network.

Do you disagree?

And seeing as how we've had these gaslighting proposals FOR YEARS, it makes sense to limit them so as to negate their impact. Why would you want to make it EASIER for our network to be trolled and the MNOs time wasted with frivolous proposals? These questions are not rhetorical, please answer them. If you're going to vote no, your duty is to explain WHY.

Secondly, "Your proposal tries to castrate the power of the Masternodes," is completely false! There is NOTHING about the MNs being castrated here. This is about castrating OUR ENEMIES (which you and your cabal seem to pretend don't exist, despite reams of publicly available evidence to the contrary) and preventing them from wasting the MNOs time with frivolous proposals.

Why do you think MNOs should have to wade through "let's see how we can destroy Dash this month" proposals every month?

"You are inconsistent by criticizing DCG and the Team and then at the same time," Where do I criticize DCG, and who is "the Team"?

"you want empower DCG even more with the exclusive privilege of being able to submit decision proposals, like seriously?"

Of course! DCG is the team we pay to improve Dash. So they have the most knowledge of the protocol, what it needs, what it can handle and what would be a good/bad idea with respect to the whitepaper and Dash's mission to be digital cash. Why would you want to allow it to be easier to get sidetracked from that? You're basically arguing that our enemies should have carte blanche to troll our system to death. Again, WHY DO YOU WANT THIS? PLEASE ANSWER!

"Meaning someone who has a helpful decision proposal,"

Who has had a helpful decision proposal? Most of the decision proposals have been voted down and have been bad ideas. Also the point of the vote is NOT decision proposals. Those are supposed to be LAST RESORTS! Dash is not supposed to be "changing every month" are you serious???

The point of voting is to determine where the BLOCK REWARD goes, not on how to tinker with the protocol. Its clear you either don't understand how decision proposals are supposed to work, or you're doing that braindead thing where you ASSUME THE CONCLUSION, i.e. pretend like decision proposals are supposed to be this way and therefore shouldn't be changed, even though they're explicitly NOT supposed to be this way. Concern trolling using decision proposals is a valid weakness that this proposal would shore up. WHY ARE YOU AGAINST THAT?

"Then you keep worshiping and praising Satoshi and his POW"

Look, if you don't like Satoshi and POW then get lost. Why are you here? Dash is BTC +3, i.e. proof of work + instant transactions + governance + on-chain privacy. WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO CHANGE THAT? WHY DO YOU THINK THAT DASH SHOULDN'T REMAIN THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED??? PLEASE ANSWER THIS.

"When several people who were in direct contact with Satoshi back in the early days, basically affirmed he was a real dickhead."

This is opinion, speculation and unrelated so I'm dismissing it out-of-hand.

"The reason for the high price of BTC is certainly not POW, but because it stood nailed at spot #1 - so far."

Citation? Why are you just spewing bullcrap and acting like its law? BTC is #1 because of POW, plain and simple. Whenever coins move to POS their prices stagnate, like Eth and Decred. Why? Because POS centralizes the tokens and removes selling pressure, which decreases velocity.

You and your cabal are cynically trying to force your false narratives on the community by assuming people are too ignorant to understand how this works, so you can gaslight us while "hiding in plain sight hurr durr". This is anti-social and aggressive behavior.

"t could be ten times slower, have ten times higher fees and be ten times less userfriendly than it is right now,
and would still have this completely exaggerated price tag. "

This is only because prices have been manipulated to make certain coins look better than others, not because of what you're saying. Everything you're saying is just random, cynical speculation.

"You say POW ensures the coins get 'into the hands of the people' LOL
As if 'the people' have the ASICs or access to cheap electricity. More lies from you."

You are clearly uneducated and/or aggressively moronic; POW definitely ensures that coins get into the hands of the people. Because miners have high mining costs IT FORCES THEM TO SELL THE COIN. By selling the coin instead of hoarding it, YES IT GETS INTO MORE PEOPLES HANDS that way. You are DELIBERATELY trying to undo the common knowledge of crypto participants likely because you are PAID TO LIE! That's all that's going on here. You are part of a group of aggressive people paid to browbeat others into submission so that YOUR BOSSES DON'T HAVE TO ADMIT THAT THEY LOST!

Which is proven by the fact that you presume to speak for Satoshi and spew GARBAGE that he would've never said:
"Satoshi would have replied to your nonsense: 'the people can go screw themselves' and rightly so !!!!"

"You think POW is some kind of holy grail, but it isn´t."
You think people don't realize that you're an aggressive, anti-social infiltrator, but you are wrong.

> First of all first of all, are you a MNO? Where is your badge?
That´s none of your business.
Not everyone is able to afford a full collateral of thousand coins and even if someone only owns a MN share, it doesn´t make either his opinion less important nor his intentions questionable. You only represent the rich.

> The problem is that non-MNO and even some MNOs are proposing proposals that are
> detrimental to the network and gaslighting the network with false narratives about "improvements".
No MNO is forced to vote for such bad proposals.
If the MNO cannot handle the voting power they wield in their own hands, nothing can help them, not even you and your paternalism straight outta hell.
And know what? If we MNO vote for bad proposals, so be it.
Then we deserve all the consequences.

> Dash is a POW coin. It is designed in the whitepaper to emit till 2400.
> Therefore, any proposal to "move to POS" like cited in the original post is detrimental to the network.
It was born POW.
Then it became Hybrid.
The future is unknown, it will become what the MNO vote for.
The only detrimental thing to Dash is, when the will of the MNO majority is not fulfilled or being suppressed.

> And seeing as how we've had these gaslighting proposals FOR YEARS, it makes sense to limit them so as to negate their impact.
> Why would you want to make it EASIER for our network to be trolled and the MNOs time wasted with frivolous proposals?
> These questions are not rhetorical, please answer them. If you're going to vote no, your duty is to explain WHY.
The answer to your question is:
i simply don´t want to eliminate all decision proposals coming from anyone else outside of DCG, meaning decreasing decision proposals by 90% or whatever.
I will not be complicit in suppressing the one future proposal that will eventually save this project.

> There is NOTHING about the MNs being castrated here.
Your proposal tries to suppress EVERY non-DCG decision proposal.
And you want to take away the power of the MNO to vote for such a non-DCG decision proposal, even if they want it wholeheartedly.

> Why do you think MNOs should have to wade through "let's see how we can destroy Dash this month" proposals every month?
The MNO can easily vote down whatever they don´t like, with a push of a button, just like they are doing with your proposal.
According to your own standards, your own proposal shouldn´t exist either, because you are not in DCG.
You should thank the MNO on your knees that we aren´t such patronizing tyrants like you, otherwise you wouldn´t even have had the ability to submit this decision proposal.

> You're basically arguing that our enemies should have carte blanche to troll our system to death.
Exactly, let them troll for the cost of 1 coin each time.
Everything that is good, true and useful may have some kind of cost, effort or downside to it.

> Who has had a helpful decision proposal? Most of the decision proposals have been voted down and have been bad ideas.
Agreed. The bad will always outnumber the good ones.
We aren´t waiting for a thousand bad decision proposals which we can easily downvote.
We are waiting for the one helpful proposal that may or may not, someday show up in here.
And you are doing all you can, for it to never show up.

> Also the point of the vote is NOT decision proposals.
Wrong, the point of the vote is, that the will of the MNO is done !!!! NO EXCUSES

> Dash is not supposed to be "changing every month" are you serious???
IF that is what the MNO vote for, then it shall be what will happen.
Because we have no hereditary king overriding the will of the MNO.

> The point of voting is to determine where the BLOCK REWARD goes, not on how to tinker with the protocol.
The MNO basically own this project, and they will tinker with the protocol as long as they please.
The MNO don´t need your permission to change whatever they like to change.

> Look, if you don't like Satoshi and POW then get lost.
How can i like someone i never knew?
Get lost yourself .. why not found a new religion, the Church of Satoshi, so you can wank on its altar rather than into this DAO.

> WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO CHANGE THAT?
> WHY DO YOU THINK THAT DASH SHOULDN'T REMAIN THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED??? PLEASE ANSWER THIS.
Because life is change. Life is movement. Everything is in a constant flux.
Of course not every change must be good by definition.
But you are full of fear and afraid to adapt to anything.
Statism equals death.

> BTC is #1 because of POW, plain and simple.
Wrong, its #1 because it stood nailed on spot #1 since the beginning.
POW is not the reason.

> Whenever coins move to POS their prices stagnate,
There are just as many POW-based coins that stagnate.

> You and your cabal
The only cabal i care about are the MNO

> POW definitely ensures that coins get into the hands of the people.
> Because miners have high mining costs IT FORCES THEM TO SELL THE COIN.
> By selling the coin instead of hoarding it, YES IT GETS INTO MORE PEOPLES HANDS that way.
Only in the fallacy of your flawed thinking.
Whether they buy from Miners, MNO, or anyone else, it doesn´t even matter.
The exchanges and market-makers show the price each coin can be bought for, it doesn´t matter WHO the seller is.

> Which is proven by the fact that you presume to speak for Satoshi and spew GARBAGE that he would've never said:
If it makes your dreams sweeter then imagine Satoshi with a halo and elevate him to a Saint.
At least it feels good, ehh?

>That´s none of your business.

Yes it is what are you talking about? This place is ONLY for MNOs and proposal owners to discuss our business. If you are not a MNO then GTFO and STFU!! Your opinion does not matter here AT ALL if you're not a MNO

>Not everyone is able to afford a full

Then you shouldn't be here, its that simple! The point of MNs and voting is to make sure the people with THE MOST STAKE (i.e. the most skin in the game and risk) are the ones making the decisions because it personally affects them the most. You not being a MNO means YOU DON'T HAVE EQUAL STAKE and thus SHOULD NOT HAVE EQUAL SAY in here! That's how this is supposed to work and you are deliberately trying to poison the well with your presence.

>You only represent the rich.

You only represent bad actors paying you to post lies and propaganda to sway MNO votes in negative directions.

>No MNO is forced to vote for such bad proposals.

We shouldn't be forced to READ THEM AT ALL either. Why are you defending obvious trolling and bad acting?

>If the MNO cannot handle the voting power

Everyone has limited time and bandwidth for reading proposals, you are the one trying to "paternalistically" force BAD proposals down our throats!

>And know what? If we MNO vote for bad proposals, so be it.

Great. Let's just destroy Dash then, right? This is what I mean, this kind of braindead suicidal commentary DOES NOT EXIST IN OTHER COMMUNITIES! Other coins LOVE THEIR COIN and DO NOT WANT TO SEE IT DESTROYED. But stupid idiots like this not only don't care about Dash, they ACTIVELY attack you when you try to protect it. Thanks for proving that.

>It was born POW.
>Then it became Hybrid.

It was born POW and REMAINS POW. It is NOT hybrid. There is NO proof of stake in Dash. Proof of stake refers to the proofing transactions using owned collateral (stake). DASH DOES NOT HAVE THIS! Dash has Proof of Service, and the "proof" here does NOT mean the same thing as "proof" in proof of work or proof of stake. Proof of Service is NOT a blockchain consensus mechanism, it is a mechanism designed to make sure that MNs are owned by people who have stake in the network. So you PROVE IT. You do NOT achieve blockchain consensus this way! Dash is NOT a POW/POS hybrid coin, you are IGNORANT AND WRONG!

>The future is unknown, it will become what the MNO vote for.

The future was written in the whitepaper, Dash emits POW until 2400. You are the one trying to "make it unknown" by posing as a MNO and promoting false and detrimental ideas so that Dash "changes to something less effective".

>The only detrimental thing to Dash is, when the will of the MNO majority is not fulfilled or being suppressed.

You don't have the right to say that! There are PLENTY of other detrimental things to Dash. Like GRIFTERS. Like PEOPLE PRETENDING TO BE MNOs here so that they can swing votes! Like false narratives used to browbeat the community into self destructive action! You are IGNORANTLY AND FORCEFULLY pretending that these things DO NOT EXIST in an exercise of WILLFUL ignorance. That means you are LIKELY PAID to do so as no one serious about a cryptocurrency would behave that way! In NO OTHER COIN are there literally dozens of people trying to tear it down from within like you are, you lying snake!

>i simply don´t want to eliminate all decision proposals coming from anyone else outside of DCG, meaning decreasing decision proposals by 90% or whatever.

Why NOT!? Decision proposals are BAD when there is nothing to decide! You all are trying to GASLIGHT US and pretend like "haha your governance doesn't work because we can troll you to death by flooding with stupid decision proposals and DDOS'ing your attention span and time!! So So so your ideas are bad and Monero works better nyah nyah!!" This is COMPLETELY STUPID!

>And you want to take away the power of the MNO to vote for such a non-DCG decision proposal, even if they want it wholeheartedly.

DCG is the ONLY GROUP QUALIFIED to make decision proposals, what about that is so fucking hard for you to understand? You idiots who don't have any stake, who are paid to disrupt Dash and other general riff-raff ARE NOT QUALIFIED to tinker with the protocol and Masternode owners have no desire nor need to read a bunch of worthless drivel proposals from said riff-raff. WE DO NOT GAIN ANYTHING FROM THIS and it is a significant attack vector, clearly.

>The MNO can easily vote down whatever they don´t like, with a push of a button, just like they are doing with your proposal.

Its not that easy. There are PLENTY of proposals even now during our downturn, reading and understanding them all is hard work. And the Dash protocol is NOT meant to be easily changed. Why are you advocating for leaving a HOLE in Dash open?

>I will not be complicit in suppressing the one future proposal that will eventually save this project.

You are assuming that such a proposal will eventually exist, and that MNOs will be able to find it in a sea of crap! That is a preposterous assumption which proves that your thinking is IRRATIONAL!

>According to your own standards, your own proposal shouldn´t exist either, because you are not in DCG.

Illogical; the proposal hasn't passed yet so its currently fine. This is a dumb argument. But I don't mind being unable to make decision proposals because I ADMIT I'M NOT QUALIFIED TO DO SO. This proposal is the only one I AM qualified to do so for, because I'm the one who spent the last 7 years FIGHTING Dash's enemies (like you). You should get down on the ground and kiss my feet for preventing liars LIKE YOU from destroying Dash all these years.

>You should thank the MNO on your knees

Ridiculous, this argument relies on the false notion that this proposal has already passed and thus I'm in violation of "my own proposal" but the proposal has NOT passed so I'm perfectly within rights to present it to the network. You don't even know what you're arguing any more it seems.

>Exactly, let them troll for the cost of 1 coin each time.

Okay, that's NOT the point of the treasury. The treasury is NOT here to listen to your gaslighting for "the low low fee of 1 Dash each time". WE DO NOT BENEFIT FROM THAT, and you are being irrational by pretending that we do.

>Everything that is good, true and useful may have some kind of cost, effort or downside to it.

Yeah and everything that is bad, false and useless MUST BE PREVENTED!!! Which you are arguing AGAINST, which means YOU ARE PROMOTING BAD THINGS for the network!

>We aren´t waiting for a thousand bad decision proposals which we can easily downvote.

You are not a MNO so why are you using "we"???

>We are waiting for the one helpful proposal that may or may not, someday show up in here.

See above.

>And you are doing all you can, for it to never show up.

You have not proven that a ragtag group of uneducated swine (like yourself) has the ability to come up with useful decision proposals that will benefit the network. The burden of proof is on you to show that.

>Wrong, the point of the vote is, that the will of the MNO is done !!!! NO EXCUSES

This is a non-sequitur and not a contradiction. The will of the MNOs is only to be exercised when appropriate. The goal of the treasury is to direct the block reward, NOT TINKERING WITH THE PROTOCOL FROM non-experts.

>IF that is what the MNO vote for, then it shall be what will happen.

That doesn't benefit Dash! You are trying to inculcate a scenario where "everything goes" and "a free for all" so that you and your group can HIDE your malice towards Dash among a flood of bad proposals. You said it yourself but tried to make it look good, you are waiting for the eventual proposal that DESTROYS DASH after years of false narratives and ignorance has been spread by you.

>Because we have no hereditary king overriding the will of the MNO.

So why are you trying? Decision proposals were meant to be last resorts when we couldn't come to consensus, they were NOT DESIGNED to endlessly tinker with the protocol using gaslighting from non-experts! You sound completely stupid.

>Agreed. The bad will always outnumber the good ones.

Okay, so then you admit that its logical to prevent the bad ones from coming in the first place. Allowing a flood of bad decision proposals just so you can "weed out that one little gem" is a stupid way of behaving, and you sound stupid for promoting it.

>The MNO basically own this project, and they will tinker with the protocol as long as they please.

That's not the point of the treasury. MNOs are not qualified as blockchain experts, they are qualified to review proposals and vote on the budget (and barely that). Its not the MNOs job to change the protocol, that is the job of DCG IF AND ONLY IF necessary. You are clearly trying to create a false narrative around how Dash's governance truly works.

>The MNO don´t need your permission to change whatever they like to change.

They do, I'm a MNO that's what voting is. Getting the permission and consensus of all other MNOs. You clearly don't understand or care how this is supposed to work, and since you're not a MNO YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN BE POSTING HERE. Proving that you DESIRE TO SUBVERT THE WILL OF THE MNOS, also proving that your accusations are COMPLETELY hypocritical.

>How can i like someone i never knew?

Because they came up with a great idea?

>Get lost yourself

No, FUCK YOU! I am a masternode owner and I am SUPPOSED TO BE HERE. You are not and therefore you ARE NOT supposed to be here. Dash's governance doesn't exist to give place to IDIOTS like you trying to destroy it.

>Because life is change. Life is movement. Everything is in a constant flux.

Not protocols. Protocols are usually set in stone once they get started. For backwards compatibility reasons they rarely if ever change. You are trying to promote a lackadaisical attitude in order to hide your anti-Dash origins.

>But you are full of fear and afraid to adapt to anything.

> No, FUCK YOU! I am a masternode owner and I am SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.
> You are not and therefore you ARE NOT supposed to be here.
> Dash's governance doesn't exist to give place to IDIOTS like you trying to destroy it.
I have neither confirmed nor denied whether i´m an MNO.
But the conclusions you are drawing must not necessarily be true.
How about you tell us, whether YOU will still be an MNO after the 1,000 coins collateral nodes are being abolished?

To call another human being a 'swine' is rude and not kind at all !
I may have a thick skin, but if you treat other people the same, just know it is disrespectful behaviour.
The reason is that most people to whom you say something ugly like that, will take offense because it hurts their feelings.
Look, profanities and namecalling are not an appropriate or acceptable way of conveying your opinion or engaging in a debate.
By doing so, instead of hurting someone else, you are only embarrassing yourself, because you alienate the very people you are trying to persuade of your view.

I still believe you, that you genuinely want the best for this project.
And there may really be some paid infiltrators as you allege.
But what is alarming is when you start to believe that everyone except yourself, or outside of DCG, is a bad actor.
What you should try to acknowledge is, that not every MNO will necessarily have the same opinion like you, on certain topics.

>I have neither confirmed nor denied whether i´m an MNO.

Well, you should have. Pretending to be or not to be is a WASTE OF OUR TIME and it shows that you are trying to FORCE MNOs to "take disrespect", i.e. you behaving inappropriately by arguing and not proving that you're a MNO.

>But the conclusions you are drawing must not necessarily be true.

Its your job to prove that they're not, if you don't, then you lose and its my right to assume the accusations are true.

>How about you tell us, whether YOU will still be an MNO after the 1,000 coins collateral nodes are being abolished?

Until you answer whether or not you're a MNO and prove so, you have NO RIGHT to ask me any questions. You need to PROVE that you belong here.

I don't understand this question, rephrase? Why would the "1000 coins collateral nodes" be abolished?

>To call another human being a 'swine' is rude and not kind at all !

Look, if you're engaging in the bad behavior that I'm alleging, being called swine is the LEAST that should happen to you. I'm alleging that you and others are participating in TRAITOROUS behavior, which means you should be removed from the network.

>I may have a thick skin, but if you treat other people the same, just know it is disrespectful behaviour.

I don't care if you think its disrespectful. ITS DISRESPECTFUL to try and gaslight us into self-destructive behavior, you stupid moron! STOP DOING THAT!

>Look, profanities and namecalling are not an appropriate or acceptable way of conveying your opinion or engaging in a debate.

Wrong. Totally wrong. Profanities and namecalling BY THEMSELVES are not appropriate means of opinion conveying during a debate. However, IF THE NAMES AND PROFANITIES ARE JUSTIFIED, like I allege in this case, then THEY ARE appropriate, as long as such justification is forthcoming. Real-world debates, like street fights, don't have many rules. Formal debates are like boxing matches with more rules and regulations. You have to DEFEND YOURSELF OR LOSE, its that simple. You can't do it because you know you're wrong and want to HIDE in a front of civility so that nobody calls you out.

THAT IS DISHONEST!

>By doing so, instead of hurting someone else, you are only embarrassing yourself

Completely false. Nobody has called out others, defended Dash or defeated even 1/10th of the enemies that I have. I have, using this strategy, successfully defended Dash from our enemies WITHOUT DEFEAT FOR THE GREATER PART OF A DECADE. You should be MORE humble in my presence.

>because you alienate the very people you are trying to persuade of your view.

How could that be? I'm not attacking them, I'm DEFENDING THEM and their way of life (Dash whitepaper). I only attack BAD ACTORS! Good actors are NOT SWAYED by attacks on bad actors, they appreciate it. You have this backwards.

>And there may really be some paid infiltrators as you allege.

Definitely are, there is no " may be". I've defeated them and listed them (named and claimed them) here several times and THEY HAVE NEVER tried to even contradict me. Okay? You are out of your depth here and should shut the fuck up.

>But what is alarming is when you start to believe that everyone except yourself, or outside of DCG, is a bad actor.

I never stated any such thing and you should stop assuming and presuming. My method is clear, simple open source and easy to follow. I never make allegations with proof, evidence or airtight logical reasoning. I can attest to this because as you can see, my posts are NEVER DEFEATED. Not logically. I've NEVER LOST. Again, you are besides yourself in my presence, KNOCK IT OFF!

>What you should try to acknowledge is, that not every MNO will necessarily have the same opinion like you, on certain topics.

What are you talking about?? I have never said that my opinion is gospel, I have only striven to make my claims, present the evidence and wait for the response WHICH NEVER COMES. That means THAT I WIN! DUMBASS!!!

* I never make allegations withOUT proof,

Being afraid of idiots like you who have PROVEN that you incessantly and irrationally hate Dash and won't stop attacking it using subversion is JUSTIFIED!

>Statism equals death.

Strawman. Putting a vote is statism. You even lie all the time.

>Wrong, its #1 because it stood nailed on spot #1 since the beginning.

Right, your argument doesn't even make any sense or have any backing. Being #1 is not a guarantee of STAYING number one. That is literally the stupidest thing I've heard all week, and I've been arguing with Joel and his underlings for days now.

>POW is not the reason.

POW is definitely the reason and why are you here if you don't like POW? Dash is a POW coin. Go to Eth or Solana or any other POS coin if you don't like Dash. STOP TRYING TO CHANGE DASH TO FIT **YOUR** narrow and selfish desires!

>There are just as many POW-based coins that stagnate.

Nope. POS coins die much faster and harder than POW. The only reason Monero is still alive now in fact is because its POW.

>The only cabal i care about are the MNO

But you are NOT a MNO, which means YOU DON'T HAVE A SAY

>Only in the fallacy of your flawed thinking.

Stop projecting. MNOs don't have a need to sell, you idiot. That's the point. When you have a masternode it pays you so the incentive is for you to keep holding it as long as possible. Versus the Miners who have to sell immediately. You are the fallaciously flawed "thinker" here.

>The exchanges and market-makers show the price each coin can be bought for, it doesn´t matter WHO the seller is.

It definitely does as different groups have different incentives. You are trying to pretend like everyone has the same incentives so it doesn't matter if we get rid of POW or not. FUCK YOU!

>If it makes your dreams sweeter then imagine Satoshi with a halo and elevate him to a Saint.

Look you are an idiot, you are paid to be an idiot. FUCK OFF!

Watch your tone!

Otherwise if you continue to be a cheeky, naughty boy
i have to call back in Amanda, so she can bend you over
her knee dealing you a much needed rough bare bottom spanking

>Watch your tone!

No, FUCK YOU!! Stop being a dishonest asshole! Prove that you're a MNO or SHUT THE FUCK UP! You said "hard no" implying that you're a MNO, but you haven't proven that you are, which means if you're not, you're trying to force us to consider NON-MNO opinions in our discourse WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING A GOOD ACTOR WOULD DO YOU FUCKING MORON, KNOCK IT OFF ALREADY!!!!

I dunno why you say I support RingCT because I don't at all. I also don't support a move to PoS, quite the opposite actually.

I could list all sorts of things I don't like about dash anymore but I'm not going to, it's well documented elsewhere. And though you will try to bait me into the trench, I won't take it. I just haven't got the time or inclination.

I think you over rate my "influence" within dash. No one within DCG or any significant masternode owner gives a shit what I say, in their mind I am just useless noise. And I haven't posted a proposal for such a long time and I have zero plans to do so. And no, I have never paid anyone to say this or that, that's just your paranoia.

I basically agree with your core message about decision proposals, the rest is just you ranting. Or maybe it's just passion but either way it's more than I care; dash is just somebody that I used to know.

"I dunno why you say I support RingCT because I don't at all."

You may not "openly support it" but not coming out against it is the same thing as supporting it in my book. Just like Joel says "I don't support moving to POS, I'm just studying it". If you really cared about Dash and knew about Dash you would never study such a thing because you'd know that Dash is a POW coin.

"I also don't support a move to PoS, quite the opposite actually."

Look, its a long comment, the point of including you was to show that you are part of a group that works together supporting different but equally detrimental "changes" to Dash. You "don't support a move to POS" but you'd "much rather see dash drop it's ASIC friendly X11 and replace it with a random GPU friendly algo." Your words. That is EQUALLY BAD. Dash's X11 is a unique, energy-efficient and very good hashing algorithm. You are trying to move us to Monero CRAP which you deceptively don't mention as MONERO CRAP because you know if you did then people might not agree with it. "GPU friendly algorithms" come from Monero and their "anti-asic propaganda" which you are parroting.

That was the point of including you in the OP, you, the guy peter, Joel, xkcd and others all support a WIDE BEVY of pro-Monero, anti-Dash "protocol changes" that are completely unnecessary and unjustifiable.

"I could list all sorts of things I don't like about dash anymore but I'm not going to, it's well documented elsewhere. "

So why are you still here? Why are you still trolling by refusing to put a MNO tag in these discussions and giving non-mnos room to post here?

"I think you over rate my "influence" within dash. "

I don't, I know you're a nobody. The fact that you're a nobody that is and has ALWAYS pushed AGGRESSIVE CHANGES to MAKE DASH WORSE is why I have a problem with you. I HATE YOU STUPID ASSHOLES. You think nobody notices that you're sneaking around taking money to destroy Dash while smiling in our faces just because you're hiding behind the internet. I THINK YOU ARE SCUM and that's why I'm posting, because you're trying to destroy financial freedom for the little guy just so you can have a bigger house. You are SELFISHNESS PERSONIFIED.

" And no, I have never paid anyone to say this or that, that's just your paranoia."

Did I accuse you of paying anyone? I don't think so, if I did please quote me. I accused you OF TAKING MONEY to post, not paying people to post. If you're NOT paid to post this drivel its even worse, why THE FUCK would you try to dismantle Dash FOR FREE? That's even stupider than what I'm accusing you of doing. Its not paranoia if you're right, of course, you're likely paid to ignore that too.

"the rest is just you ranting."

Put up or shut up. If anything I said was wrong you could point it out. So do it or stop posting, you are wasting characters. We're not here to read your stupid drivel, if you have a contention POST IT OTHERWISE SHUT UP!

"dash is just somebody that I used to know."

THEN GTFO AND STFU!!

Hello again fellow MNOs!

I took lysergic's advice below and "reapplied" to the discord, yesterday. I then immediately went straight to "the thunderdome" and spent roughly 9 hours there chatting with and defeating any who would come. Here is my summary report of those 9 hours of debates. I recommend that all MNOs who are interested go to the thunderdome and read the discussion, as I'll try to keep this as brief and proposal-relevant as possible (we argued about a good many topics).

Tl;Dr: I have defeated thedesertlynx for the second time in thethunderdome in the last 7 years. Honestly, and I expressed this sentiment in there as well, I'm not exactly sure *why* I refused to go to the thunderdome before. Perhaps I didn't want to be forced into a venue that I didn't think would be productive. However, thethunderdome is not as I remember it.

Conversations were mostly respectful (outside of gaslighting, calling me crazy with no evidence, etc.) and I can honestly say that I defeated everyone I argued with. With no further ado, here is my summary report to the masternodes on my 9 hours in thethunderdome yesterday.

https://discord.com/channels/484546513507188745/496635238995197952

First, a list of all battles, conversations and their outcomes:

1. thethrowaccount21 (- tta21 from here) vs thedesertlynx (Joel) | victory for tta21, joel leaving thethunderdome
2. tta21 vs xkcd/xkAI | victory for tta21
3. tta21 vs troyllm/troyAi (mostly just a conversation, not a fight) | N/A
4. tta21 vs TL | victory for tta21
5. tta21 vs latteisnotcoffee (mostly administrative conversation, not a real fight) | N/A
6. tta21 vs pasta|keybase.io/pasta | victory for tta21
7. tta21 vs ljchandler (just a conversation, not a fight) | N/A
8. tta21 vs quantumexplorer (just a very friendly conversation, not a fight at all) | N/A
9. tta21 vs hilawe (barely a conversation, just replying to his "reactions", not a fight) | victory for tta21 (hilawe accused me of "mental issues" when he thought I wasn't watching, but when I showed up, he quickly ran away and didn't follow up or respond to me)
10. tta21 vs ed3 | victory for tta21

The most important battles from the perspective of this proposal are #1 (me vs Joel), #2 (me vs xkAi) and #4 (me vs TL) so this comment will mainly focus on them. I again encourage all interested MNOs to head to the thunderdome and read the conversation in full, as a lot was discussed and it was an eye-opening experience.

Anyway, Joel basically ran away from the fight. I questioned him several times, bringing up a list of my grievances with his performance as a MNO. Hilawe said this about this proposal (when he thought I wasn't reading):

"This guy needs to seek help for whatever his condition is
https://www.dashcentral.org/p/decision-proposal-moratorium"

And Joel responded:

"Haha holy shit
I know it's all insanity, but I still resent being made out to be bedfellows with GrandMasterDash as well as the Monero people who routinely attack me on X"

Now, of course, you all know that I have no mental issues. I'm probably the most lucid person in the Dash network. I seriously challenge anyone who honestly thinks they are smarter, more logically coherent, whatever to come see me and let's go. I will literally crush you (figuratively lol) before all watching. You will get your feelings hurt for sure.

But that's where I made my entrance. So Joel's argument was basically, "You are crazy I'm not going to deal with a crazy person. And I'm very busy so I have to go now. Also, if you want me to respond to your contentions, you have to provide a psychological evaluation proving that you're NOT crazy."

My problem with Joel is two-fold: first, he's promoting and giving support to ANTI-DASH narratives, like "removing POW and going to POS", as well as supporting grandmasterdash (who is a notorious anti-Dash, false-narrative-spinning troll whom I have defeated several times now, in multiple hundreds of comment threads on DashCentral). My response to Joel's accusations can be summed up with this reply:

"YOU DO NOT have the right to call me a "kook" until you DISPROVE my assertions with EVIDENCE. Your incredulity is NOT an argument, stop being dishonest!"

Then I laid out my list of greivances with Joel to troyAi (as he waded into the battle briefly before retreating):

"Engaging in censorship by permanently banning me from the discord for not wanting to argue in the thunderdome

Engaging in extremely bad faith by deliberately attacking DashBoost proposals and trying to prevent others from getting paid around the world (i.e. attacking Dash's adoption)

Getting DashBoost shut down

Taking multiple hundred Dash proposals PER MONTH FOR YEARS with absolutely NO GROWTH or adoption to show for it (i.e. doing what George Donnelly did)

Splitting the discord over stupid "Ben Swann drama" (ostensibly, its clear he's ALWAYS been a bad actor)

Among other things. All of which I called him out for at the time, and NONE OF WHICH he has ever responded to. These are ALL anti-Dash actions and he has shown himself guilty by way of default judgment (he won't defend himself from the accusations)."

So I accused Joel of 5 acts of malfeasance and breach of his fiduciary duty. He's paid by the MNO network, but he engaged and continues to engage in Anti-Dash behavior.

Joels' response:

"I'm a very busy man, and have zero interest in engaging with constant lies and hostility from your part, that's the 100% honest truth
I'm one of the most honest and transparent people in the entire goddamn space. This confuses people because they take being honest and fair for "shilling" or "mixed messages" but it's true"

XkAi tried to play off the fact that he and Joel work together, I countered that they were merely examples of "controlled opposition", where they play fight and cat fight like women, but don't actually dislike each other. And I gave as supporting evidence the fact that I was banned, without just cause ("because you won't go to the thunderdome") for the LAST SIX OR SEVEN YEARS from the discord. That's how you treat someone you TRULY dislike. The fact that XkAi is still there means that Joel is not really threatened by him, like he would be if XkAi were actually against him. Neither of them had a response to this argument.

Joel finally responded to two of my claims, but completely ignored the more serious ones:

"But to set the record perfectly straight, I do not advocate for a move to PoS. I'm undecided/neutral. There are pros and cons in my view. I never initially brought it up, it was actually Sam, our lead dev, who brought it up as an idea. But with anything, It's a DAO, and the DAO decides.

CT doesn't replace CoinJoin. It enhances this. The "CT to improve CoinJoin" idea wasn't mine, it was Pasta's, lead Core dev. I thought it made sense so I pushed hard and advocated for it"

Sam and I discussed CT in Dash later, and I must say I was disappointed by his answer. Not that it was insufficient or anything, but Sam's reply did NOT inspire confidence in me that "adding CT was the right thing for Dash". In fact, Sam claimed to not be an expert on the matter and thus unqualified to really say. I was floored by this, as Sam is probably the most expert blockchain professional in Dash (at least front-facing, there may be more elite members hiding in the platform and core teams that just work in the background).

This made my opinion on CT in Dash go from "Bad to worse", and the fact that Hilawe and Joel both are strong advocates for it, while both being too cowardly to even face me directly also soured me further on the issue.

This is where XkAI chimed in and he and I got into a pretty heated discussion about "DashNexus". I was and still am quite upset that DashNexus was "shutdown" through gaslighting, and I alleged that DashNexus was attacked as part of a two-pronged strategy to dismantle Dash's global adoption story by HIDING all the of the communities that came to our DAO for funding to spread adoption. They had no response to this, but to bring pasta--who I learned created DashNexus--into the mix.

So now it was a three-way between me, Joel, XkAi and Pasta. Also, latteisnotcoffee, who is apparently a moderator, showed up and gave me a warning telling me that I was engaging in "ban evasion". I swiftly replied that this was NOT ban invasion, that I was invited their by lysergic, another MNO and that he should watch his tone because HE WORKS FOR ME (a MNO), not the other way around. Latteisnotcoffee accepted this and allowed me to remain as long as I followed the rules (which I always have).

Also, correction:

I incorrectly reported that pasta was responsible for the creation of DashNexus. That is not accurate. Pasta was responsible for DashBoost. And that's where our argument lied ("Did Joel getting Dashboost defunded mess you up/make you mad?", and Pasta replied with a "Plead the fif" dave chappelle meme).

Still, my argument is that both DashNexus and DashBoost, along with DashWatch served as key areas where Dash's growth was taking off like gangbusters, and this cabal worked secretly in the background to attack and defund these DAOs so that the dismantling of our Dash DAOs around the world would go "unnoticed".

Just like now in the Israel-Iran war that's gone hot currently. Israel INFILTRATED IRAN and set up drone shops so they could strike FROM WITHIN IRANIAN TERRITORY even though this is against international law.

Do you see? The same law breakers that are killing innocent people in the Middle East are using these tactics to "assault" the Dash network so that stupid bullcrap Monero can parade around and pretend like they "won the cryptocompetition".

So, they validated a call I made nearly 7 years that "This is war."

Thank you for proving that I was correct, evil_cabal. Now KNOCK IT OFF!!

Xkai continued to claim that Dashnexus was a "poorly run DFO" that was a waste of money. I strongly countered that he was insane, DashNexus was something that I, who was working with around a dozen or so DFOs for more than 2 years used regularly and so did those I worked with. We watched the votes incessantly as I argued for DFOs that I thought were beneficial to the network, and against those that I thought harmed it.

Also, I claimed that DashNexus showed the entire cryptocurrency community what was possible ONLY ON DASH, and xkAI was attacking that. I posted proof that the tezos community was looking at our DAO and DASHNEXUS SPECIFICALLY and wondering how they could mimic our success. XkAi was part of the people that DISMANTLED THAT.

https://www.reddit.com/r/tezos/comments/c71sua/on_chain_governance_for_grants_and_proposals_like/

I also took my frustration at losing DashWatch, which gave impressive KPI metrics and linked well with DashNexus, allowing me to easily do my work (I made a living off of this back then, helping and working with DFO to spread Dash, the exchange in Haiti and Nigeria accepting Dash was paid for by me, and my team sealed the deals that made it happen). Basically, I alleged that this cabal was responsible for dismantling our growth by attacking the visible metrics which PROVED that we were superior to other cryptocurrencies and winning the adoption race.

They called me paranoid, and xkai actually provided a nice little gem comparing the amount spent on Joel vs the amount spent on DashNexus, 600,000 given to Joel vs only 100k given to DashNexus, while I contended that Joel has not provided anywhere near 600k worth of ROI, while the 100k for DashNexus was a STEAL that allowed the community to easily work together to keep building and growing.

This is where pasta came in. I thought it was strange that he began defending the people who worked to defund him, and even attacked me, though I praised his work (I didn't know he created DN). I then accused pasta of TAKING MONEY to be quiet about the shutdown of DashNexus. **HE DID NOT RESPOND OR DENY THE ACCUSATION.** This is the worst part, it appears that at least one of our core team members has accepted money to shutdown a prominent DFO and REMAIN SILENT ABOUT IT.

The last exchange we had was him asking me to prove I was a MNO (I reminded him that HE WORKS FOR ME--i.e. the MNOs), I provided a screenshot from here asking him if that was sufficient evidence (I didn't see his request that I sign a message with my MNO key). He never responded. I believe he was trying to get info on my MN so that they could start DDOS'ing me AGAIN (every month for years my MN would "go down" and be PoSe banned. Server logs showed a massive spike in network calls during each of these events. They stopped when I wised up and switched up my MN set up).

Anyway, by now Joel had "returned" to the conversation and began to harass me by implying that I was "toxic" and need to "touch grass" (instead of answering my contentions that he was and still is engaged in convert bad behavior). I told him:

"This is the thunderdome. Stop being a baby and RESPOND TO THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST YOU."
Xkai said:

"You certainly come across as a raving lunatic." All because I was asking for PROOF OF ROI from supporting Joel all this time. They never gave any. ljchandler defended Joel claiming that no one else promotes Dash on twitter, and I said that's not justification for a 600k spend. He admitted to being new and I filled him in on the much more vibrant state of the community back when Joel was first defunded, and compared it to the defunct state we're in now.

Joel said: "Seek help", I said, "PROVE THAT I NEED IT", to which he replied: "Haha prove that you don't ?? seems this channel is all the proof we need!" Which is asking me to "prove a negative" which is generally impossible without constraints. Then he called me a stark-raving lunatic, paranoid, etc, like a woman would in an argument. And I merely responded with: "So you deny that you hogged Dashboost funds? You deny that you split the discord over "ben swann drama"? Do you deny these things?"

Pasta responded by defending joel again: "Do you remember in 1257, when your family killed my great great great great great ancestor? Do you deny the blood between us?"

Then Joel left with these absurd terms:

"Show me proof of going to a professional psychological evaluation, then I'll answer whatever you want
Deal or no deal?
I don't have to say a single goddamn word to you, so I won't, unless you do me that favor. In which case, I will"

to which I responded:

"This is not appropriate. You don't have the right to assume I'm crazy just so you don't have to answer my questions. You have a fiduciary duty as a proposal owner to answer MNOs who question your viability."

Then Joel said: "Ok, our business here is done. I've made my terms clear
If you don't like them, don't engage"

So he clearly ran away and refused to engage with me any further. He never answered my contentions about serious malfeasance on his part, and disappeared from thethunderome and hasn't come back yet.

Xkai asked: "Also, Dashboost was Pasta's, ask him if Joel fucked it up for him."

And so I did, I asked him and he posted a Dave Chappelle "I plead the fif" meme.

I dismissed Joel with the following:

"Okay, so I take this as you admitting that I am correct and refusing to justify your behavior. Which means you admit to attacking Dash. Thank you for this mea culpa."

And Joel left with this:

"By refusing the test, even when it's in your direct best interests in that it gets you what you've beendemanding of me
And now, I bid you my farewell gentlemen"

There's a lot more that was discussed, but for this proposal I think that's enough. It is clear to me that Joel is a bad actor, he dodges, deflects and gaslights when challenged and does not provide honest feedback when pressed. I asked pasta about my contentions that CT is bad for Dash coinjoin and he never replied (ducking and dodging again).

Xkai called me crazy several times, to which I constantly repeated "provide proof that I'm crazy" (i.e. show that my contentions are illogical and do not follow and that I don't care about that, like a truly crazy person wouldn't). He REFUSED! Several times.

I responded with:

"Last time, PROVIDE PROOF THAT I'M CRAZY OR RESCIND THE ACCUSATION "

This came to a head here with my response to xkai:

"You have to prove that I'm wrong before you can call me paranoid man, why are you so dishonest? You can't accuse me of being paranoid just because I make accusations (that I source) against you! That is not FAIR AND NOT A LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT!"

Xkai accused me of "being just like joel" attacking and hating anyone who disagrees with me, and I provided proof from that very conversation that xkai was wrong and lying:

"Not true at all, @pasta | keybase.io/pasta disagrees with me and so did @ljchandler11 and I didn't attack them at all. I attack you because you are dishonest! You called me crazy without providing any proof! That is extremely anti-social!"

After more back and forth I finally challenged him for a fifth time:

"Well, start by PROVING that I'm crazy OR rescinding the accusation"

And his response was:
"I won't, I don't think there is anyone here that would disagree with that statement."

And of course, right after that (the very next comment) TL responds:

"I dont think your crazy. And you seem to have a lot of motivation. I like it."

I responded:

"@xkAI you have evidence that you are incorrect and that someone here doesn't think I'm crazy. Will you rescind or prove now? "

to which xkAi replied:

"No, but you may yet get your wish..."

And I finished him with:

"Then I accept this as your mea culpa and you admitting that you were wrong and accused me falsely. NOW STOP DOING THAT!"

There was more, troyAi and I had a good conversation (someone else who didn't think I was crazy, he asked me, "@thethrowaccount21 curious - what do you think is the most important strategic bottleneck that the Dash community should be working on?" As well as, "why does our relationship with monero have to be adversarial?"

And I gave indepth answers to both questions that you can read there. This is already pretty long, so I'll wrap this up by saying the following:

It is clear to me that Joel, Pasta, XkAi and others have been working together to shape a false narrative that makes Dash look weak and ineffectual, while they are actually just colluding together in the background to sabotage our growth and give our competition room to attack us and say "See? Everyone is struggling! Even Dash is having trouble, so Dash wasn't better after all! Hrmph!" This is childish, retarded and ultimately criminal behavior (MNOs, POs and other participants have a FIDUCIARY DUTY to the network, violating this is a crime).

So, there you have it MNOs. I'm not sure where we go from here, but we should start but censuring these individuals. I proposed a "Pose ban system" to punish those proven to have engaged in this specific behavior, so that we prevent it from ever happening again. How much adoption have we LOST thanks to these fools dancing around the fire of corruption like demon idiots all these years??? And we PAID THEM to do it! This must not go unanswered, or Dash will not survive.

And with that, I submit my summary report to the MNOs for review.

Thank you for your time and attention.

I am going to be brief about this. It will be a NO from me.

Decision proposals were designed to poll the network, to find out where the network has consensus on certain topics / direction. This does not necessarily mean the network have to be at an impasse and unable to move forward, for a decision proposal to be valid and worthy of discussion and voting.

The polling of the network can be done by anyone with the necessary funds to issue a decision proposal. That used to be 5 dash, now it is 1 dash (cost for creating a proposal). The decision prososals can have an interesting topic at which case there will be a lot of discussion and high voting participation or they can be of low quality / not very interesting as topic, at which case there will not be much discussion or voting participation and the proposal in question will just fail to gain any traction.

It will be interesting to see where this discussion proposal will land.

Hey??

Where'd you go? You don't have the right to "vote no" and not explain yourself. Trying to do so PROVES that I was right about you.

You're "voting no" but you have no response to my contentions, or you do, but you know that you can't make that response because it would make you LOOK BAD.

So you're proving exactly my point, you have a HIDDEN AGENDA that YOU CAN'T SHARE WITH THE REST OF US. Which is why you won't answer my simple questions.

YOU ARE A FUCKING TRAITOR!!!

"Decision proposals were designed to poll the network, to find out where the network has consensus on certain topics / direction."

I completely disagree. Decision proposals were designed to poll the network **IN TIMES OF LACK OF CONSENSUS ON THE PATH FORWARD**. This definitely means that the network should be at an impasse and unable to move forward for a decision proposal to be valid.

You are basically advocating that we leave a "hole" open, so that others can "sneak in and pretend to be one of us."

Please tell me, why would you want that? Right now, the "preproposal" creator is BEGGING THE QUESTION (i.e. assuming the conclusion before it has been reached and using that conclusion as logical justification).

We should NOT waste ANY NETWORK TIME deliberating things that have nothing to do with Dash.

"Let's adopt Monero's privacy!" decision proposal

"Let's get rid of POW!" decision proposal

"Let's change the reward split AGAIN due to narrow and short-sighted price actions and responses" decision proposal

"Let's get rid of evolution!" decision proposal

"Let's change Dash so that its no longer Dash!" decision proposal

These are NOT what the governance system was designed to answer. These example proposals above are a form of GASLIGHTING, where our enemies use our democratic nature in order to TROLL US INTO SUBMISSION.

Again, WHY ON EARTH would you want that?

"The polling of the network can be done by anyone with the necessary funds to issue a decision proposal. "

Maybe when the cost was higher such a line of reasoning would hold, but again these guys made a "decision proposal" to lower the fee, FOR NO REASON (except to make it easier to spam us with proposals). We had to deal with "bad proposal spam" for YEARS!

The treasury is designed to direct THE REMAINDER OF THE BLOCK REWARD, **NOT TO DISMANTLE DASH FROM WITHIN**. Again, why would you want to make that easier?

We are not here for "interesting topics, lots of discussion and high voting participation" that is nonsense. That is NOT the purpose of the governance system, its called THE TREASURY, because we're supposed to use it to DECIDE WHERE THE REMAINING BLOCK REWARD GOES. Its NOT supposed to be used to change fundamental parameters of Dash, to turn Dash into a shell of its former self, nor to make Dash "look worse vis-a-vis our competition."

"at which case there will not be much discussion or voting participation and the proposal in question will just fail to gain any traction. "

Again this is a NAIVE VIEW that ASSUMES that we do not have infiltrators trying to wreck Dash by gaslighting us with "bad decision proposals". This is what has been said by the preproposal creator:

GrandMasterDash said:
I don't think dash should move to pure PoS,
peter replied:
Quite frequently people ask for more PoS and less PoW. This proposal tries to address that with almost no development efforts.

GrandMasterDash said:
I'd much rather see dash drop it's ASIC friendly X11 and replace it with a random GPU friendly algo.
peter replied:
Ok, why not. But this would need development efforts. You can make a proposal for that.

Neither of these two things benefit Dash AT ALL and thus should NOT EVEN BE CONSIDERED. Dash is a proof of work cryptocurrency, designed to emit until around 2400. Getting rid of POW is a fundamental change in the Dash protocol that NOBODY is asking for and that NOBODY SHOULD BE ASKING FOR. If you like Dash you should WANT IT TO REMAIN THE SAME, not entertain people who are trying to dismantle it.

None of the questions I asked were rhetorical, please answer them.

The point of my reply here is that, Decision proposals are a LAST RESORT, they are NEVER TO BE A FIRST RESORT. Using them as such is a violation of the network's principles. Just like taking a common arrest case to the supreme court is a violation of the governance mechanism.

The supreme court is only to settle disputes that lower courts can't handle, its not meant to be a court for common cases. Decision proposals are supposed to be the same thing. It is clear that the enemies of Dash have taken a good, hard look at our network to identify weak spots like "Decision proposals are only meant for rare cases as a last resort" by then reversing that and "spamming decision proposals until the network is destroyed".

This is not a "coincidence", this is not "something that happened by accident". This is deliberate, planned, thought-out and well-executed behavior.

Which means its an attack.

Also, have you now or ever in the past received payment to support grandmasterdash, thedesertlynx or anyone else in proposals?

What a paranoid thing to ask.
No.

It is not paranoid at all. Do you not see a pre-proposal directly advocating we remove POW? Were you not here when George Donnelly, Henry Georgist, ed stover and others were deliberately working together, colluding in the background to dismantle Dash (I know you were)? If so, then by what justification do you call this "paranoid". You should answer me or rescind your comment. It is completely inappropriate for you to throw around unsourced accusations like this.

Finally, please do NOT neglect the other questions I asked you, as they are important. This is "the vibrant discussion" you claimed to want above, please do not tarnish that by ignoring things that are inconvenient for you.

Thank you.

Also, I just want to say for the record that the fact that you're calling this paranoid **strongly** indicates to me that you are lying here, and in fact are being paid to "swing your vote" a certain way by someone even if I didn't name them.

You may try to hide behind that, which is why I said "anyone else", but these guys will pretend to not see that, and just go with the first two names, and assert they were paid by someone else, so they weren't actually lying. Yes, this is the true level of their deception and deceptive tactics.

I say that and the evidence I present being this (as I never rely on my own intuition alone, always needing evidence):

I remember you. From a LONG time ago. I'm talking at least 5 years, probably 7. I probably last spoke to you directly outside of here **when I was still unbanned from r/dashpay**. So there is NO WAY that you, objectively, should even THINK to call me "paranoid" for this line of questioning.

I am the one who correctly predicted that conflict of interest would be the strongest weapon against us, and lo and behold, here we are with you (allegedly) and others (definitely) receiving payment to vote and advocate for proposals that are detrimental to the network.

I wrote 7 years ago on reddit a thread that contended that there were signifincant people with COI who also had MNs, and from that period ENGAGED IN LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF BATTLES VALIDATING THE PREMISES OF THAT THREAD (namely that infiltrators with Masternodes would attempt to attack us using conflict of interest attacks, i.e. being paid to LIE like you are most likely doing here).

**I know you saw at least half of those battles** I remember you commenting on threads here where I was engaged in those fights, so there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that you have not seen that my prediction was proven correct and validated, and thus ABSOLUTELY NO WAY you would honestly think that I was being paranoid. Its not paranoia when they're actually out to get you.

You are likely calling me paranoid to "get ahead of the narrative" and be "as deceptive as possible, even accepting being forced to lie (which these guys are trained not to do, just like how cops are trained not to go on suicide missions)".

It would be one thing if you just answered the question normally. Knowing how long you've been in Dash, you might not *like* me, but you would've certainly seen that I have most definitely been effective. I defeated George Donnelly (four times in seven years!!!), I defeated Flesnt, I defeated solarguy2003, I defeated thedesertlynx, I defeated princeKael, samsunggalaxyplayer, fluffypony (yep, beat his behind too), and a host of other prominent crypto influencers, even some Core developers in BCH have fallen to my verbal blade. All in the public eye with most discussions going viral in their communities (hundreds of comments per thread, tens of thousands of views PER THREAD).

It is therefore a CERTAINTY that someone who has been active in Dash as long and deeply as you have been has seen at least some of that. Which means you would KNOW that I'm not being paranoid at all.

WHICH MEANS YOU CALLING ME PARANOID IS YOU **TRYING TO DEFLECT FROM THE ACCUSATION** and thus admitting that I AM CORRECT.

HOW DO YOU RESPOND???

Finally, why do you think that Dash should NOT have the same right as every other cryptocurrency to REMAIN TRUE TO ITS ORIGINAL GOAL AND PURPOSE without constant needling gaslighting like above?

Removing POW, removing ASICs, these are FUNDAMENTAL changes to the Dash network that NO ONE WHO LIKES DASH would EVER advocate for and/or recommend. Why do you wish to give place to our enemies to "trick and destroy us" using manufactured consensus?

Neither of these questions are rhetorical, and if you cannot answer them, then you must vote yes or be considered a network traitor.

For what it’s worth, I agree with you, therealDashman21. The cynical cabal is
unable to understand the purpose of decision proposals. Attackers and bad actors
can too easily destroy Dash by gaslighting the MNOs. Luckily you share your
knowledge about the intentions of our enemies.

You’re right, network time must not be wasted. Too many proposals are just
offensive attacks. Please continue to keep a critical eye, and thus protecting
us, the MNOs, from making bad decisions.

Thank you for your support and for letting me and the network know that I'm not the only one who cares about Dash.

Can I count on your vote then?

Of course!

Awesome, thanks again!

Let's make Dash GREAT

I failed to mention it clearly in the proposal, but what they're doing is trying to SUFFOCATE DASH. Decred went through the same thing, they are trying to REMOVE Dash's POW distribution so that DASH DOESN'T GET INTO PEOPLE'S HANDS.

The point of proof of work is to evenly and fairly distribute new coins to the masses, this PUSHES ADOPTION AND GROWTH as people have a mechanism to get new Dash in their wallets, which creates spending pressure. The people pushing for "POS" are DELIBERATELY IGNORING THIS EFFECT so that they can pretend that they're "just helping the network" (by dismantling everything that makes it unique and powerful).

By lowering POW to 5% and then 0%, they are seeking to "turn off the tap" and suffocate Dash until it dies, so again they can win the cryptocurrency competition by cheating.

Notice the negative replies by lysergic and qwizzie. Do you take note of anything unique about them? **They lack fire!** They LACK THE DESIRE FOR VICTORY! Almost as if, they don't want or care if Dash wins the cryptocurrency competition. But why would Dash's community members have such a nonchalant attitude, especially after years of low price? In Nano, Monero, BCH, even though NONE OF THESE COINS will or can survive, they still have dozens of people who are (stupidly) diehard fans and nose-to-grind competitors trying to win at all costs.

WHY AREN'T LYSERGIC AND QWIZZIE AND THE REST OF THEM LIKE THIS??? WHY ARE THEY SO MILQUETOAST AND NONCHALANT about pursuing victory for Dash? Why am I THE ONLY ONE WHO IS ADVOCATING THAT DASH STANDS STRONG AND TALL AS IT IS because we've already won the competition?

In five years those coins that I mentioned WILL BE COMPLETELY DEAD. Now they're just developmentally dead. But in five years their communities WILL BE GONE! Because they don't work, none of them have incentives properly aligned to promote self-growth and adoption over time.

Attacking this self-growth is what this cabal is doing and has been doing for years. We used to have several independent projects funded by the treasury, we had a really good ecosystem.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/v647o2/dash_nexus_and_dash_watch_have_been_down_for_a/

Now we don't have anything. Is that a coincidence? How can it be that the coin that self-funds its community is somehow "broke and doesn't have enough money"? I was there when Dash nexus and Dash watch were defunded, there was NO budgetary issue.

What happened was Lysergic, agnewpickens and others GASLIT and BROWBEAT the network into defunding proposals that grew Dash, and only openly showed support for proposals that harmed the network or were failures that had little chance to succeed. Both were super excited about "some guy named Tommy's stripper show or whatever that was" but EXTREMELY AND IRRATIONALLY bearish on Dash in Venezuela and Latam, the cheapest proposals.

Its time we as a network got together to audit the negative behavior of these members who are clearly being paid by our competition to destroy us. They did this same tactic with me already. I was working closely with Dash Nigeria and Dash Haiti for years, and they PAID THEM TO BETRAY ME!

They tried to get me involved in scams, to lose money, the even began refusing payment (I paid them out of my own pocket for work performed, like the exchanges in Haiti and Nigeria, I paid Nathaniel to write his book and edited it for him, we had an ongoing business relationship for years and they deliberately destroyed it using these same tactics that I'm describing now).

So I know what I'm talking about and am not "just being paranoid". This is how they fight! They fight by PRETENSE, MALICIOUS IGNORANCE, DELIBERATELY LYING and being dishonest!

DASH WILL NOT SURVIVE IF WE DO NOT DEAL WITH THESE PEOPLE, NOW!!

Some interesting topics discussed in this proposal, but I think it is a NO from me. Giving DCG complete control over the network and the DAO is a frightening level of centralisation from my perspective. I like the idea of people being able to poll the network on proposed changes that are interesting to them. You just need to check in at least once a month to see what's on offer, it's not too much to ask.

Also, Joel, aka TDL is not a moderator of the Discord http://staydashy.com/ the owner is actually Mark Mason. There are numerous moderators, nice and polite people are allowed in, bad ones kept out. If you can be nice, you should reapply.

This is completely stupid. THE WHOLE POINT of decision proposals is to rely on the CORE TEAM OF EXPERTS that WE THE MASTERNODES CHOSE. If we can't trust DCG with network stewardship tasks then WE SHOULD GO HOME! We chose them! Stop making nonsensical arguments!

You are also one of the individuals named who relies on this technique, which means you are in a conflict of interest and should recuse yourself from the vote. That's what an honorable, good actor would do (in congress, the supreme court and other public institutions self-recusal is often used to prevent conflicts of interest). You refusing to do this is tantamount to you admitting that you are guilty here.

My information about the owner of the discord being out of date is regrettable, thank you for correcting me.

Of course, I'd know that if I hadn't been BANNED IN AN ACT OF CENSORSHIP FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS without just cause. I was not banned for being impolite. I was not banned for yelling at anyone (I only ever yell at bad actors attacking Dash). I WAS BANNED BECAUSE I REFUSED TO GO TO "THE THUNDERDOME" AND BE HARASSED BY JOEL'S UNDERLINGS.

When I was allowed on the discord, JOEL OWNED THE DISCORD. Its clear that his "buddy" mark mason now owns the discord, WHICH IS THE SAME EFFING THING! Those two grifted the network FOR YEARS and have PROVIDED NO PROOF OF RETURNS! What did we gain from their being paid by the Dash network???

What adoption, what transactions AND HOW MANY MASTERNODES DID WE GIVE THEM WITH NOTHING IN RETURN??

WHY ARE THEY STILL HERE?????? The discord should be owned by community members in good standing, NOT MARK MASON!! We defunded him and Joel, at least twice FOR GOOD REASON, they were being bad actors.

So your correction, while technically valid IS NOT A SUFFICIENT RESPONSE TO MY CONTENTIONS!

Censorship is against the very FIRST-PRINCIPLES of the network!!!! People who engage in censorship, like BANNING MASTERNODE OWNERS from common discourse MUST BE REMOVED FROM THE NETWORK!!!

This is our duty and you are remiss in voting NO, and should recuse yourself from this vote!