Welcome!

I just want to say to all you idiots and sickophants here, DASH IS NOT MONERO! Monero attacked Dash relentlessly for YEARS unjustifiably! Monero has tried SEVERAL TIMES to infiltrate Dash's community, pay off key people to promote false narratives, they DDOSED my Masternode for years (repeated denial of service forcing POSE bans so I couldn't just "run a node") likely with information garnered from Rango (I always voted on here, never in DMT), Joel split the discord, is probably the one paying solarguy and basil to censor the dashpay subreddit, and frankly their tech just doesn't work.

The fact that there is NO discussion about this "power up privacy" "non-profit" which works on our competitors is a HUGE red flag. The point of cryptocurrency wasn't PRIVACY BUT TRANSPARENCY. This hare-brained focus on "privacy, privacy, privacy!" is gaslighting from the Monero community to make their coin seem more useful than it is. And fundamentally, Dash's privacy WORKS MUCH BETTER THAN MONERO'S DOES. RingCT is garbage, so CT is garbage too.

Monero is trying to TROLL US by saying "hehe, see? We forced OUR TRASH on your chain. Guess we're the superior ones now!" Like lysergic below, GLOATING instead of responding to my contentions. Trolling is NOT an appropriate form of argumentation in discussion nor in Masternode decision proposals. It doesn't matter that I'm "late", what matters is THAT YOU EXIST. You are a troll. ALL OF YOU. You are trying to destroy your competition BY CHEATING because you are terrible, ugly people (Joel specifically, but all of you lysergic as well).

The ugliness in your souls manifests in TWISTED DESIRES like trying to trick people into destroying themselves for your own clout, benefit. On twitter, Joel is soft-shoeing monero. Pretending like "monero is best in class, true but maybe there might slightly be something blah blah blah" instead of just saying the truth. MONERO SUCKS ASS. IT IS FUCKING TERRIBLE, YOU ALL ARE STUPID IDIOTS for not recognizing this and accepting it. You REFUSE to admit you lose so you just keep treading water like you're not going to drown.

YOUR COIN DOESN'T WORK! YOUR COIN DOESN'T SCALE! YOUR COIN WAS NEVER DESIGNED TO WORK! MONERO WAS ALWAYS A HONEYPOT! MONERO TECH IS BROKEN! PEOPLE HAVE BEEN AND ARE BEING ARRESTED **RIGHT NOW** BECAUSE OF THE FLAWS IN MONERO. The community did NOT ask for this. Now Joel is on twitter trying to say agree with others saying "we should eliminate POW, I'm still studying it, but yeah we're basically trying to see if we can fucking destroy Dash and pretend like its a good thing."

I HATE YOU JOEL. I HATE EVERYTHING YOU STAND FOR AND I HOPE YOU SUFFER TERRIBLY FOR THE BULLSHIT YOU HAVE DONE AND ARE DOING. FUCK YOU.

Get it straight, we are not implementing Monero's flavor of privacy, we are instead just adding CT to CoinJoin to hide the amounts in each mixing round, that's it, everything else will work just the same as it always has.

Its straight, you are the one who is out of order here. CT is Monero tech. Confidential transactions was created for Monero. We DO NOT NEED THEIR CRAP in our chain!

This is a VULNERABILITY! You are removing the lack of weakpoints in Dash Coinjoin! By adding "encryption to hide amounts" which is completely unnecessary, you are adding an ATTACK SURFACE!

So YOU GET IT STRAIGHT, WE DON'T NEED AND DIDN'T ASK FOR THIS!

You have some valid points there, but people often complained the mixing is 'too slow', with CT we can speed that up because it will go for fewer rounds and there won't be the need to re-denominate.

I agree, I did not ask for this, I am perfectly happy with mixing as it is now, but to date, Dash's privacy is not well respected in the space, because most people can't believe that given how simple and straightforward it is that it could be any good, but it is good, astonishingly good and that's our biggest secret.

"People often complained"

Because they're lying or idiots. Mixing is NOT TOO SLOW. Being "slow" is the point. It separates mixing events temporally, making them impossible to trace. The "faster" you make mixing, the tighter the coupling between mixing sessions becomes, the more viable timing analysis attacks become.

Handwaving this concern away with no discussion other than some vague appeal to popular(?) authority is not an acceptable response. It is your responsibility to CLEARLY and CLEANLY make the case for why this is necessary, why now, what's wrong with CJ currently and THEN we move on to things like "who's going to do it, funding etc."

You guys did this all on your own, got unknown third parties involved, with NO FEEDBACK from the community until now. You're basically trying to force through and rubber stamp this proposal, which is a MAJOR red flag. Also, fireice-uk is A FORMER MONERO DEVELOPER. That is a MASSIVE conflict of interest.

You don't address this either. Chances are high that he/you/privacy whatever have been paid to plant a trojan horse in the Dash privacy so that you can give Monero more "clout" to make STUPID arguments like "well even Dash took our CT tech so it must be good, even though we're abandoning it. Hehehe. I guess masternodes aren't that valuable after all. A guess Dash really was a scam after all." etc. etc. You are sheepishly and cynically attempting to give OUR ENEMIES more arguments against us by infiltrating and disrupting our naturally superior privacy. Which makes you either a moron, compromised or both.

Redenomination is a GOOD THING, it hides your Dash amount the TOTAL SET of other denominations, which is very powerful and COMPLETELY unbreakable. Meanwhile this encryption that you guys "totally vetted so don't worry" could be broken by any number of means. A system with no breaks vs a system with a wide potential attack surface, its a no brainer what an HONEST actor seeking THE BEST INTERESTS of the network would choose. Which explains WHY YOU CHOSE THE OPPOSITE.

I don't care that "Dash's privacy is not well-respected in the space" are you fucking stupid? This is not a goddamn popularity contest. Your privacy is strong or its NOT, I don't care who likes it. Especially since YOU KNOW and HAVE PROOF that "the space" is DELIBERATELY pretending like Dash's technology isn't great/the best.

How can you be SO FUCKING STUPID as to fall for a trick like that? Because you're not, and you're likely paid to pretend to be so that you have an excuse for why you're advocating a terrible decision and helping a grifter steal more money from the network.

And don't act like you and Joel are not working to get Dash "more closely aligned with Monero" and "giving Monero clout" you can go on twitter and see Joel soft-shoe them, even though we're supposed to be enemies. You yourself have advocated for MUCH destruction in our network, which made Monero's position better relative to ours.

Since they can't fund anything, they looked weak while we were having so many proposals from around the world every month. Clearly we'd outpace them and it would be obvious. Thanks to YOUR DESTRUCTIVE, DECEPTIVE WORK they at least now have "plausible deniability" so they can continue to PRETEND to be bigshit on reddit and twitter, even though NOBODY USES OR ACCEPTS MONERO!

The point of decision proposals was to be used at KEY TIMES when THE NETWORK couldn't come to consensus on what to do. It was NOT to be used to be trolled and abused over and over again so that Dash could keep making itself worse by voting for terrible stuff, stuff that Joel has been mostly behind. There were no consequences for when he destroyed Dash boost. There were no consequences when he cornered the discord and enacted censorship, and now we see the results. He gaslights the network into paying him to destroy it. For some reason, these stupid assholes REALLY DO NOT want you to have decentralized, distributed peer to peer cash.

They have to have their stupid claws in it. They need to have their hand not only in your wallet, but in your pants too. Joel IS A PARASITE. Just like George Donnelly. Or worse because at least Donnelly was defeated. But Joel is a ZOMBIE PARASITE, even after being defunded, caught and called out for various bad actions, he's still here still "steering the ship towards destruction" and manipulating narratives.

Joel is a failure. His "podcasts" are lame, nobody watches them, nobody likes them, and that's why he had to get an "official Dash position" because otherwise it was obvious that not even our community paid him any attention. Like the little hitler he is, he just never shuts up. On and on he drones with that terrible voice all the time talking vapid garbage that DOESN'T HELP THE NETWORK.

How many years has Joel been "doing what he does" and WHAT DO WE HAVE TO SHOW FOR IT? How many months has he been given "half a masternode" and where are the beneficial results to the network?? This is part of a "work". A cynical gaslighting "show", like wrestling. Forcing corruption on the best cryptocurrency network so that when its destroyed they can pretend like "XMR, BCH, LTC are just better options", even though they're slower, less secure, can't fund their own development.

Its just completely stupid. Its weaponized stupidity.While I can't say this is bullish for Dash as the trend has been negative for years now, I will admit that you guys succeeded in destroying DashBoost, DashNexus, Dash adoption in Venezuela and Latin America, DashHelp, DashText, you destroyed DashNigeria (by bribing Nathaniel Luz to turn against me (its most ardent supporter) and try to bring all manner of ruin), and have generally removed the global growth engine that Dash had.

Most people seem to have gleefully forgotten that Dash used to have a wide and vibrant community of participants. But they were GASLIT by idiots like Lysergic, grandmasterdash, "dashqueenapp", "henry_georgist", Max from kuvacash, and more into being shut down, not being approved and not being funded. "We just don't have enough money this month." Huh? While you're paying Joel multiple hundreds of Dash TO DO NOTHING. JOEL DOESN'T DO ANYTHING! He's not even good at talking! His voice sounds weird and has a strange grating property (like he's a CIA mind controller or something), he is a physically unattractive person who generates NO HYPE OR CLOUT for Dash.

By choosing Joel this day, the Dash network has CONDEMNED itself to growing obscurity and obsolescence. Its okay. Its not the end of the world. Dash can still grow and go further from here, but we have to deal with Joel. He is a bad actor, and nobody will be able to even respond to this post because they KNOW I KNOW THE TRUTH (and so do you).

Let's talk about what's REALLY going on here.

Despite you calling me out, I admit and I agree with most of what you say. I think your recall of dash's history and it's reasoning is better and somewhat at odds with MNO voting. This is why I have consistently said for years that dash's governance should be placed first and foremost before any of this crap. When I say "governance" I also mean the removal of "decision proposals".

There's definitely something to be said about monero's temporal links between transactions. And, of course, I agree with you about Power Up Privacy quite possibly being a honeypot yet zero discussion about them. So, look, I'm not disagreeing with you from a technical point of view.

For me, dash is not and should not pretend to be a first class privacy coin. Sure, with the right opsec and patience (which goes hand-in-hand) then sure, you can pull it off once or twice, You can probably say that for most coins, including bitcoin because none of this shit happens in isolation. But all these coins and users sit in a globally massively corrupt world. Everyone is a gangster, I don't care how bright and smiley a politician or regulator's teeth are. I am not advocating violence at all but in this world, a model of violence and hostility comes first before the comfort of a nice space to talk about money and "privacy". Your average Joe doing commerce complies within that abstract framework. So I guess what I am saying is, in the first instance, it is probably better to frame such discussion around commerce than any particular coin or tech. Because, you know, not everyone is going to live entirely within the grey market, no matter how much I wish for it.

Voting no. This is a bad proposal/decision. The_desert_lynx is most likely paid to dismantle Dash. He is a bad actor with a long history of negative and destructive behavior. Splitting the discord, enacting censorship (permanently banning masternode owners like myself from the conversation because I wouldn't "go to the thunderdome"), hogging Dashboost funds and getting it shut down, advocating for good proposals to be shut down, grifting from the network for YEARS with Mark Mason playing news kids, he has an annoying voice, his podcasts get no views and never have (showing he's likely paid /incentivized from elsewhere, i.e. to subvert Dash from governments).

Unfortunately, infiltration and "dismantling from the inside" is how these guys fight. Its really annoying. They won't just let it be. They HAVE to manipulate everything and "control the narrative". So now we have useless Monero tech in Dash. For what? For nothing. Coinjoin works very well. I use it all the time. There is literally no problem. But the_desert_lynx and all the cheerleaders in here manufactured "consensus" in the echo chambers that they exercise censorship over (r/dashpay, the discord(s?)) and now they celebrate hamfisted, self-destructive maneuvers.

It is another sad day for Dash as our enemies have struck another blow. Joel Valenzuela has been behind most of the "dismantling" of the vibrant Dash community globally, and for what? So he can continue to grift 530 Dash a month for doing NOTHING. This is how they "prove" that Dash isn't superior. "Haha see? You should've relied on volunteers like us! Masternodes don't work! Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah!" Cynical suggestioning toward self-destructive behavior using the ignorance of the common individual against them ("failing monero tech needs to be added to our chain! We need to add an encryption central weakness so that we can totally NOT turn Dash's privacy into a honey-pot/failed model).

I hate you Joel and I hate the people behind you. You are all terrible people.

We Won! You are late !

It doesn't matter. You celebrate that you have destroyed part of Dash. Just like you celebrated destroying Dash's adoption in Latin America while promoting proposals that didn't do anything (none of the proposals you supported like that stupid sex work stuff provided any benefit and you don't care, which proves that you're against the network).

Taking joy in the fact that you have "defeated me", even though I'm only trying to make sure that Dash is secure from infiltrators like you also proves that I was right about you. Like solarguy when he banned me from the dash subreddit but exposed the fact that he was part of a cabal using censorship to hide controversial but legitimate opinions, you celebrate now, but cry later.

I hate you too.

You are not nice and also not educated. The tech we are bringing in is different to Monero and we have vetted it for problems. What it will do for us is hide the amounts, improve the speed of mixing and possibly make the resulting Dash more private, though that is debatable.

I'm not nice TO YOU, because you are a liar, an infiltrator and a destructive stupid piece of shit. I'm nice to everyone who isn't like that.

Also, I'm definitely smarter than you. I've predicted more things that have come true than just about anyone I've ever seen, including you, so you should shut up.

The tech is Monero tech, through and through. Its not "Ring"CT but its CT. Confidential transactions were created for Monero. We don't have to hide the amounts you IDIOT, DASH COINJOIN SPLITS AMOUNTS UP into individual denominations. There is NO NEED to "hide amounts".

The mixing speed being faster is NOT a good thing if it comes at the cost of a honeypot backdoor/encryption based weakpoint. Coinjoin doesn't rely on encryption SO IT CAN'T BE BROKEN. Obviously that means its the best privacy, which explains why those who are TRULY against privacy wish to WEAKEN coinjoin with this EXTERNAL, UNASKED FOR BULLSHIT.

Coinjoin DOES NOT NEED TO BE FAST YOU FUCKING MORON! You can mix WHENEVER YOU LIKE!!!!

> Coinjoin doesn't rely on encryption SO IT CAN'T BE BROKEN.

Excellent point here, where were you when this was being debated and voted on? It's a damn shame you were asleep at the wheel, some counter point apart from just me would have been welcome. FUCK YOU for not giving a shit and sleeping on this, you get what you deserve.

No, FUCK YOU for being a stupid selfish moron! You stupid fucking piece of shit, IT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ONE MAN'S JOB TO PREVENT THE NETWORK FROM STICKING A KNIFE IN AN OUTLET YOU STUPID FUCKING IDIOT, SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Re: this

"Coinjoin DOES NOT NEED TO BE FAST YOU FUCKING MORON! You can mix WHENEVER YOU LIKE!!!!"

The fact that coinjoin "isn't fast" is a FEATURE, NOT A BUG!

Coinjoin being "slow" means that there is NO way for temporal analysis to work. Its just really impossible to trace Dash coinjoin transactions done on the network. This proposal sounds like the answer to the following question: "How do we weaken Dash's privacy enough so that we can start tracing transactions like we can in Monero?"

One of the BIG BIG problems with Monero is that the encryption happens at the time you send your transaction, every time! Which creates a temporal link between your transaction and that encryption event, which can be used to deanonymize you!

With Dash, since coinjoin takes an indeterminate amount of time, THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE! It can't be done! That's likely why this is being touted as "a feature" when its ACTUALLY A BUG (making coinjoin "faster" i.e. EASIER to trace)!

Again great comments, where were you these past few months when the discussions were being had?

Unfortunately, I don't have time to babysit all the trolls and infiltrator SHARKS circling our coin to disrupt its network. I will admit to being disenhearted by how successful assholes such as yourself and Joel have been at dismantling our network out of fucking spite. Instead of letting the competition play out naturally to see who the winner is, you're going to trip up the runner next to you and say "oops, didn't see you there. Oh well, guess I win, hehehe".

Furthermore, although its not a role I relish, calling this bullshit out is NOT only my responsibility. This ISN'T MY NETWORK, WE ALL HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY to call out this bullshit and stop it. If someone is bribing people to lie about and infiltrate your community, YOU SHOULDN'T PAY THEM! That is cynical bullshit designed to "make it our fault your network was destroyed, hahahaha".

I HATE YOU STUPID ASSHOLES!

And who trusts, "we have vetted it for problems. " Sure. Just like "the monero devs" vetted Monero for ALL THE BUGS that they've had over the years. I mean seriously? That's your argument? We should "trust you"?

Coinjoin RIGHT NOW is TRUSTLESS. We don't need to TRUST anyone or anyone's math or "oops I guess this was an exploit after all" which I KNOW is what you're trying to do. I've seen, called out AND DEFEATED these VERY SAME tactics MANY TIMES RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR STUPID EYES, so I don't understand why you think that this would be a convincing argument (besides the fact that you're a stupid idiot and a paid liar).

You DODGE all my questions and REFUSE to answer simple things like WHO IN THE NETWORK asked for this? Dash is NOT Joel Valenzuela and your "personal pet project" that you can work behind the backs of everyone to push lightning changes as if they were a fait accompli, avoiding most all discussion.

You are A SCUMBAG!

> That's your argument? We should "trust you"?

No! I don't trust myself, which is why Pasta and QE were involved in the review process to determine if this was a good fit for us and they said it was fine. There is a DIP written on it too that you can DYOR.

> WHO IN THE NETWORK asked for this?

No one specifically, Joel thought it was a good idea and floated it, because you were asleep, few people opposed him and the MNOs voted in a super majority to implement this, so I guess it passed.

>There is a DIP written on it too that you can DYOR.

I have read the DIP (at least its initial version). Again, it handwaves away the NECESSITY or even reason for this change in the first place. You guys are attempting to XZ backdoor Dash it looks like, see here for reference:

https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1bx1efx/would_rust_have_stopped_the_xz_backdoor_in_linux/

>No one specifically, Joel thought it was a good idea and floated it

This is terrible! How can you say this with a straight face and act like this is appropriate?? So any old shmuck can just wake up one day and go "I think I'm going to destroy Dash today!" and it just works?

>because you were asleep,

This is NOT SOLELY my responsibility! This is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TOO! Everyone in the network has the responsibility of reading proposals, voting yes on good ones and NO on bad ones. Furthermore, it is INAPPROPRIATE to make decision proposals when there is NOTHING to be decided, i.e. the NETWORK sees a need to make a decision. We are not here to be GISH GALLOPED into failure and you are REMISS in placing the blame for this passing on me, again which shows that you are trolling/a fool.

Yes, definitely!

Thanks for the support!

Solana just announced Confidential Transactions for its tokens:
https://x.com/solana_devs/status/1909629525035741306

yep.

What's that got to do with dash? Are you saying there's no need for dash to do it now?

Be careful, not only of what people say but what they do not say.

Any privacy enhancement is welcome. I personally would love to see something inline wit Firo's solution but maybe that could be the next step.
Also wondering if this will/could cause issues with the ongoing work for getting our MiCA licensing ?

Keep up the great work!

This does seem to be the winning solution to privacy. I'd like to see coinjoin remain as a choice, though.

It never will be removed, only enhanced to work with CT more efficiently.

Hey Dashers,

Your friendly neighborhood UX guy here—straight outta Eastern Europe, where the winters are so cold you’d trade your left boot for a bowl of borsch, and the pierogi (pies) are thicker than my cousin’s skull after he bet against me in a wine-drinking contest. No Nigerian princes or fancy titles in my lineage, just a babushka who’d become a president if she had some greater support (RIP babushka). So, let’s dive into this CT business—Confidential Transactions, not some sci-fi brain scan (though both have that mysterious vibe, don’t they?).

Why CT is like adding sprinkles—nah, a whole freakin’ layer—to our digital cash cake:
Dash is already the smoothest digital cash out there. It’s fast, it’s cheap, and it’s easier to use than convincing my uncle to stop haggling at the flea market. Think of it like my cousin’s “discount” electronics—except, you know, actually legal and reliable. But CT? That’s the turbocharger we’ve been waiting for. It hides transaction amounts, wrapping your financial business in a cloak of privacy tighter than a babushka’s secret recipe for cabbage rolls—everyone knows she’s got one, but good luck figuring out what’s in it.

Right now, we’ve got CoinJoin doing the privacy dance, and it works—sort of. It’s like waiting for babushka to knit you a sweater: you’ll get there eventually, but you’re freezing your butt off in the meantime. CT could flip that script, making privacy instant—like dodging a muddy splash from a Soviet-era Lada speeding through a pothole. Faster privacy isn’t just a nice-to-have; it’s a game-changer. More users hop on board, adoption spikes, and Dash moons harder than a SpaceX rocket fueled by Elon’s wildest tweets. We’re talking lambos-in-the-driveway territory, people—or at least a new tractor for my village back home.

Hold up, let’s not trip over our own babushka’s slippers. Before we pop the champagne (or the homemade cherry wine), we’ve got some work to do. Here’s the rundown:

Testing, Testing, 1-2-3 (and Maybe 4-5-6): We can’t just slap CT on Dash and call it a day. This needs to be tested like babushka tests her pierogi dough—pinch it, stretch it, boil it, fry it, make sure it holds up when the heat’s on. If it’s flimsy, it’ll fall apart faster than a cheap umbrella in an Amsterdam storm. CT’s gotta be bulletproof—think T-34 tank vibes—or it’s as useful as serving soup with a fork. Messy, embarrassing, and you’re still hungry.

Keep It Simple, Stupid (KISS—Not the Band):
Privacy features can get complicated quick.

Explaining crypto to your average Joe is already like trying to teach my vodka-soaked uncle about NFTs at a wedding—he’s nodding, but you know he’s not getting it.

CT needs to be so dead-simple that even my technophobe cousin—who still thinks “the cloud” is where rain comes from—can use it without accidentally broadcasting his beer money to the blockchain. User-friendly is the name of the game, folks. If it’s not intuitive, it’s just a fancy toy for nerds.

And Who’s This PUP Character Sneaking Around?
Power Up Privacy—PUP for short. Sounds snappy, right?

Like a superhero squad for blockchain geeks. But hold the pierogi— who are these guys?

Are they as legit as a Moldavian wedding, where everyone’s drunk on joy and hospitality? Or are they shadier than a KGB agent lurking in a trench coat, muttering about “state secrets”?

I’d love to dig into their funding, their track record, their whole deal. If they’re the real McCoy, fantastic—let’s team up and make Dash unstoppable.

If they’re sketchy, well, I’ve watched enough Cold War spy flicks to know when to keep my distance. Spill the tea, PUP—my babushka’s intuition is tingling.

The Big Picture (because i know you want the bottom line):
CT could catapult Dash to the top of the digital cash food chain—private, fast, and so user-friendly even my grandma could send me crypto for my birthday (instead of socks… again).

It’s the cherry, whipped cream, and extra sprinkles on top of what I’m building as your humble UX Product Designer.

I’m stoked to see this happen—just don’t ask me to explain it to my babushka in broken Polish over Skype. She’d probably tell me to stop playing with “internet money” and go chop some firewood instead.

So there you have it, fam. CT’s our ticket to the big leagues, but we’ve gotta do it right—test it, simplify it, and make sure PUP’s not pulling a fast one.

Let’s keep Dash rolling like a well-oiled Eastern European tractor: steady, strong, and ready to plow through anything.

Keep it real, bmd signing out

Fake anonymity that can easily be broken by a 'compliance' masterkey, which will be given to tax authorities i.e. the last ones you´d want to look into a transaction?

And all implemented by unrelated third-party coders?

Who is going to audit the code they write, and who will take responsibility for merging their code?

CT has no master key. Individual private key holders must themselves give their own view keys in order for balances to become exposed.

The Core team oversees the codebase. All code merges would naturally be reviewed by them and merged. This proposal is simply for whether or not Dash should pursue CT.

Just makes absolutely no sense coming from a guy that promotes MiCA licensing and citing PYUSD which has a master key... so yeah, "private" if you exclude busybodies sticking their nose where it's not wanted.

Maybe the PO can explain how CTs are compatible with MiCA licensing because CoinGate - which was cited in the MiCA proposal - actually has ToS to confiscate funds coming from an anonymous address. I've checked but if you don't believe me, go look yourself.

AFAIK the PO went through KYC to get paid by the zcash foundation, feel free to declare or deny this. Quite the hypocrisy if true huh?

Are the Yes voters aware that the organization ("Power Up Privacy") website was registered in July 2024. We do not know much about this organization; it could well be a 3 letter agency honeypot. This is really quite important because CTs and ZKPs in general are entirely dependent on implementation... yes, the math is cool but a single bug in the implementation has the potential to break privacy. In fact, it is this very premise that DCG - and by extension MNOs - never did it before. It's nothing to do with "resources", the OGs here declared the utmost importance to being compatible with bitcoin's core philosophy of transparency RE: Ryan Taylor's efforts to defend dash from de-listings.

Are we saying that, once upon a time DCG was pro-transparency for reasons of compliance and de-listings, but dash governance is fluid and evolves to change it's mind? .. because if that's true, then I see absolutely no reason why the reverse decision wouldn't be made in the future, thereby shafting existing dash CT users.

With all that said, Samuel Westrich's support for this, plus his instigation of code to obfuscate voting - including from his own masternodes - frankly stinks. If he's such the hardcore privacy guy, why wasn't it at the core of Dash Platform? I predict his response will be "resources".. yet he's apparently willing to accept work from 3LAs?

Given that CT security is dependent on a rock solid implementation, why would ANYONE - apart from the obvious Yes voters here - use or trust dash CTs? People wanting financial privacy are already using well established coins like firo, beam and monero?

Just look at how these "decision proposals" work. They are basically polls for the PO that gets to choose what outcome they will accept. A model of influence and the ability to buy dash and vote. A single dashd daemon implementation, voting without mining and/or little-to-none expertise in the domain for any given proposal. I conclude with this paragraph because good governance should be front and center before any of this BS.

This is the way!

Very glad to see this finally come to a vote, and get some consensus on how the community feels on this topic.

Generally speaking, for myself only, I support adding CT.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your guidance on this .

Splendid! YES !!!

Thanks for your support!

Really great!
Thanks for all your efforts, Joël!

Appreciate it!

Fully support this — truly a powerful and important proposal for Dash. We can’t just focus on Platform; it’s time to keep moving forward.

Appreciate it!

As a digital cash coin, it is important for Dash to have the option to quickly 'privatize' our transparent funds before spending at merchants or doing a P2P transaction. CT allows us to do this instantly and then when we throw in non-standard denominational mixing rounds (CoinJoin) and you've got a very potent privacy upgrade with CT/CJ.

CJ has served us well for many years. With the addition of CT, we can InstantSend our privacy and likely beat out the likes of Monero, Zcash and Litecoin's MWEB in privacy chops.

Now think about this. Combine Dash's digital cash chops, a L1 instant privacy tech upgrade and our account-based system for DeFi (Evo Platform), we'll be unstoppable. So much winning, we won't know what to do with ourselves :-)

Voting YES (obviously)

Appreciate all your help with this!

One last thing I forgot, MNOs/eMNOs do not have to pay for the CT implementation.

I support this proposal and I think it will improve the user experience for our users. While DCG does not have the resources to do this work I applaud the_desert_lynx's initiative and perseverance to get this done.

Appreciate it. Also thanks to Pasta for his initial suggestion of CT to improve CoinJoin and his guidance for the DIP.

With regards to OP statement 'CT is very time-tested cryptography, first proposed in 2013, implemented into mainnet cryptocurrencies since 2017. Of note, CT has recently become a favorite of top regulated stablecoin issuers Circle (USDC) and PayPal (PYUSD), both of which have CT features for their stablecoins. Circle in particular emphasizes CT as “confidentiality” as opposed to “anonymity,” a distinction top blockchain lawyers with whom we have consulted agree is increasingly pertinent with regulators.
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ChatGPT : https://chatgpt.com/share/67e642ef-8de0-8004-b037-1a0a5af0dac3
DeepSeek : [img]https://i.imgur.com/CIRmSlc.jpeg[/img]

So i am not sure stablecoins USDC and PYUSD actually have CT features in them. Maybe the chatbots are not up to date, but both seem to indicate that PYUSD does not have CT features and USDC is exploring a (not full) CT feature for certain blockchains.

Having said that i do support this decision proposal.

Appreciate the support.

LLMs do have some trouble getting sometimes niche information. For PayPal, you can check their official whitepaper on page 8:
https://www.paypalobjects.com/devdoc/community/PYUSD-Solana-White-Paper.pdf

This was first made public at Consensus last August, where it was openly advertised. I'm not sure if Confidential Transfers is yet live in any PYUSD implementation, but it has been planned for numerous years and officially announced.

Circle's Confidential ERC-20 framework is much more specific: it outlines the hiding of balances and transfer amounts, and gives provisions for a view key which could be given to certain parties for compliance purposes. This is also a feature of every CT implementation I know of, where a blinding key can be given to third parties.
https://www.circle.com/blog/confidential-erc-20-framework-for-compliant-on-chain-privacy

Also with this, I'm not sure if it's currently live on any token, but it's clearly planned as part of a new extensive framework.