Proposal “dash-watch-sixth-proposal-march-2019“ (Closed)Back

Title:Dash Watch Sixth Proposal March 2019
Owner:paragon
One-time payment: 142 DASH (23590 USD)
Completed payments: no payments occurred yet (1 month remaining)
Payment start/end: 2019-02-15 / 2019-03-16 (added on 2019-02-13)
Votes: 680 Yes / 126 No / 32 Abstain
External information: app.dashnexus.org/proposals/59dcf175-7662-404a-9584-c5bc285ae52b/overview

Proposal description

Dash Watch is submitting a single-month proposal for the February 2019 cycle to continue providing verification, accountability, and reporting to Dash-funded proposals for the MNO community.

Dash Watch's Proposal January Report HERE

Monthly Report Documents:
July 2018 HERE
August 2018 HERE
September 2018 HERE
October 2018 HERE
November 2018 HERE
December 2018 HERE
January 2019 HERE

Past Accomplishments:
350+ Dash Watch Reports, Community Concern Reports, Financial Reviews, Proposal Owner Interviews, Proposal Owner ID Verification, dashwatch.org, dashwatchbeta.org


Dash Watch performed a comprehensive review of all funded proposals to identify common pain points that can be addressed in the pre-proposal phase and relayed that information for Nexus to utilize. A summary of these results can be found HERE.

Milestone verification has been added to all reports, allowing MNOs to easily see which milestones listed by the proposal owner have supporting documentation and are verified as being complete.

Recent Accomplishments:
In January, Dash Watch produced 21 monthly reports for Dash-funded proposals, two financial reviews and two video interviews with proposal owners that received 500+ views. Dash Colombia and Dash Nexus

We have been conducting regular monthly financial reviews of community-requested and or randomly-chosen proposals to ensure the expenditure data provided is accurate and validated. With our financial review of Dash Merchant Venezuela HERE receiving over 200+ views.
Key Performance Indicators (KPIs) have been expanded and customized for proposal categories, and we have now collected five months of detailed category-specific KPI data that can be viewed in recent and upcoming monthly proposal reports. This month we are beta testing some comparative KPI visualizations to allow MNOs to compare proposals delivering the same KPI metric.

Ongoing Work:
  • Assisting DCG with the Trust Protector candidate verification and election process.
  • Financial reviews for Dash Venezuela and Dash India Remittance will be completed in February
  • Video interview with Eugenia from Dash Venezuela
  • Video interview with Fernando from DCG about the Trust Protector election
Future Plans
  • Continue producing detailed monthly reports on active and ongoing proposals
  • Interactive data visualization for Dash Watch reports (public beta this month)
  • Proposal owner video interviews focusing on the status of their proposal
  • Continue detailed verification reports for proposals that require additional attestations and due diligence work
  • Dash Watch reports posted on Dash Nexus when this feature becomes available
  • Continued financial reviews for active and ongoing proposals
Please feel free to contact us at team@dashwatch.org or on Discord as paragon, DashWatchTeam, MattDash, peytondw, or Dash-Al
Thanks for your support and we look forward to continuing to serve the masternodes and the community


Three person research and report team$10,000.00 126.58 Dash
Web Hosting/Software/Miscellaneous$400.00 5.06 Dash
Video Creation and Editing $500.00 6.33 Dash
20% Contingency (less than 20% because of rolled over funds) $317.80 4.02
Dash conversion rate: $79
Total: $11,217.80 142.00 Dash



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5 points,2 months ago
I have had a 2 hour call with DashWatch to discuss the concerns I raised in this proposal. I can report that it was an informative call and my concerns were addressed. I feel confident now that DashWatch is acting in an impartial manner and does not have a bias for any particular project. I am therefore changing my vote from "no" to "yes"

I would like to thank DashWatch team Paragon and Gethen for taking the time to address my concerns.

DeepBlue
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3 points,2 months ago
It seems that some people do not like the revealing information that Dash Watch provides. Be wary of those people.
Voting yes.
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0 points,2 months ago
Logged in just now to vote "yes" on this proposal.

However, upon reading the comment section, now I must know: was a sort of "plea bargain" in fact offered to Lorenzo of Dash Merchant Venezuela, and then re-negged upon?

This is very important. Please clarify.
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2 points,2 months ago
Hi Deepblue,
We have put together a comprehensive response to all of the concerns and questions raised and attached it below
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zq6noc1K0fQbGA8KlIPOfOAK8PlkUmGCLwKmXpM-i2Q/edit
Apologies for it having to be in the form of a Google document but it was simply too long to fit properly in the comment section of DC

@Callalilly The response to the plea bargain claim has been copied below

I, paragon, did not formally ever agree with Lorenzo that Dash Watch would never disclose the falsified salaries provided to Dash Watch by DMV. This is the type of decision that DW would normally arrive at as a group. I did, however, tell Lorenzo informally as I would any outwardly well-meaning proposal owner that I would do my best personally to help mitigate the damage to them and Dash while at the same time fulfilling our responsibilities at Dash Watch.

I stated to Lorenzo and Alejandro on 1/24/19 in Discord PM:

"I understand that you started with rough estimates of your numbers and later told us they were not exactly precise. If that ended up causing you to go down a path of trying to recreate a history of transactions to account for where the funds went even though you had no exact record that'd be understandable. In other words, if you have told a white lie or two about the disbursement of the funds, I personally think the community would rather you admit it and to promise do accounting in a more organized way going forward because it's clear most of the community appreciates your work."

In this statement, you can see I was trying to establish the truth and continue to be productive and rewarded community members. I did not propose withholding any of the wrongdoing, and the DW team and I have made every effort since to collaborate with DMV to help mitigate the perceived damage in the eyes of some MNOs by attempting to release a comprehensive overview of their full body of work. Unfortunately, as you stated they are still planning their path forward and are not in ongoing communication with us to facilitate this. This has changed yesterday when they reached out and we have organized a video interview with the DMV team, but not during the entire reporting period of February.

There was no “plea bargain” agreement of “If you provide the actual financials we will not report the falsifying incident”. As stated above, the agreement was to help the DMV report in an objective way that would lay out all the facts without subjectivity. We could go with this he-said/she-said scenario because of our knowledge no-one recorded the call. If you would like proof of the above-aforementioned Discord PM, we will be happy to provide a screenshot.

We can assure you that we did not make any agreements of not reporting the falsifying incident if real information was given, there was no “plea bargain” of that sort initiated. You will need to provide more substance and proof for your assertion, because “you said this” is not substantial because it becomes he said/she said situation.

Thanks,
Paragon and The Dash Watch Team
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2 points,2 months ago
Great, thanks for this clarifying information. Glad to hear that Dash Merchant reached out to you with the desire to cooperate once more.
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1 point,2 months ago
We should have a detailed video interview completed with the DMV team and presented to the Network in early March and are preparing the list of questions for DMV today.
Thanks
Dash Watch
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0 points,2 months ago
I also wanted to make clear that the DW team members Alex and Gethen contributed heavily to the document above as I have been ill in the last few days so it may seem that there are different writers of different sections or sentences which is indeed the case.
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0 points,2 months ago
Please forgive my incomprehensible sentence above regarding my actions with DMV that reads: "In this statement, you can see I was trying to establish the truth and continue to be productive and rewarded community members."

The sentence should have read and in fact did read originally: "In this statement, you can see I was trying to establish the truth and give the [DMV] team a path toward admitting what I thought at the time had been a more petty wrongdoing publicly and continuing to be productive and rewarded community members.
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-2 points,2 months ago
Hello @paragon thank you for you're reply. Please note I had requested several weeks ago to comment on what I had written regarding the specific details of the investigation and each time you had refrained from giving any details on these points. You answered other concerns but you avoided answering those specific concerns. I do not understand why you would not answer those doubts at the beginning? You also had not replied to several PM at the forum which I posted several weeks ago also specifically asking you to comment on what I had written regarding the investigation. I did not receive a reply to those requests and this is now the first time you are replying to them.

Could you also please clarify if Gethan stated he would leave DW if the facts about the altered documents were not made public. You have not commented on this point yet. I also would like to know the specific reasons why you wish to keep the MNO name private that made the request for the investigation against the DMV team.

Regarding my other concerns that I still have I think it would be best to deal with them on a call directly.
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2 points,3 months ago
Fellow MNOs lets not get distracted from DW deliverables, and the work they have provided for the network thus far.

Voting Yes!
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-2 points,3 months ago
Voting no and I will continue to vote no until such time that we can be certain there is no bias coming out of DW. I think now is the time to find out if there is DW bias. I don't want anyone to be involved with elections that can steer the wrong characters into positions of power. DW supported KuvaCash with their reports with no indication in any of their DW reports (at least as far as I am aware) that we could not launch the KuvaCash product that is a rather important detail that was missed from the DW reports and has cost MNO to incorrectly keep voting in a project that would never launch. DW effectively destroyed one of the projects I had significantly contributed to which I know you were also were dead set against and was proudly responsible for destroying. Congratulations, you've also destroyed 1 year's worth of my work on the Dash Merchant proposals. A job well done.

I correctly predicted that KuvaCash would not lead to anything and I verbalised my concerns in details 5 proposals ago but unlike you, Mr Hack I stayed silent after I voiced my opinions in that proposal on KuvaCash to give the community and the Kuva management a chance to prove themselves and to come to their own conclusions. I did not continue to negatively comment in their next 4 proposals repeatedly spamming them. Even though I strongly believed KuvaCash was not going to launch or give any value to the network. Unlike you that continues to troll and throw negativity after negativity at the DMV proposal owners. It is also noted you contribute very little in the way of positive feedback to any proposal. You're contributions therefore are always on the negative side. Its easy to be negative. It is not so easy to do the research and contribute positively.
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5 points,2 months ago
I personally don't think there was bias towards Kuvacash. Kuvacash didn't promise much and for all their faults if you carefully read the fine print on their proposals they did deliver what they said they would do (more or less), I personally don't think it was enough, and as we all see nothing has really come from the money we put there. I think if you say that you are targeting 100 users and meet the goal, DW will report that. If you said you are targeting 100k users and only get 5k, DW will also report that. The real question is what is better for the network? 100 users or 5k?
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2 points,2 months ago
DW doesn't *support* anyone, they *report* on people. DW reported on Kuva to the extent that they did because the network asked for that level of granularity. They're simply carrying out what the network asked of them, which is what they have always ever done. This passive-aggressive narrative about "finding out if there is DW bias" is just your revenge for exposing the malfeasance of your pet project. Call it what it is. "...you've also destroyed 1 year's worth of my work on the Dash Merchant proposals..." That's what this is really about.
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1 point,2 months ago
Thank you @arthyron for seeing the light at the end of the tunnel
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-1 point,2 months ago
@Arthyron I was wondering when you were going to crawl out from the woodwork. I am not passive-aggressive. I am accurate and precise and direct. I also make accurate predictions as I did with KuvaCash. So let me be direct so there can be no mistake of me being classed as passive-aggressive.

KuvaCash project is a case in question. Remember my comments on that proposal 5 proposals ago?. Remember what I said that Kuvacash would lead to nothing for DASH? You, however, believed in that project and went to great lengths to spout your bullshit at me to try and cut me down to protect your pet project. You dished out your usual BS about peoples characters. I've had enough of your bullshit.

Well now, time has gone by and the results are out. And now we can see the results of the KuvaCash project as I exactly predicted led to no benefit whatsoever to the network. I was right Arthyron and you were wrong. Just let that message fully sink in for a while because I think your over inflated ego may need a few months to absorb that.

You and your cronnies that were supporting KuvaCash are responsible for the unnecessary wasting of huge quantities of DAO money. Money we could have used on actual worthwhile projects that could have led to real value for the network and for the people that could have used DASH. You, obviously do not have a clue what you're talking about when it comes to business or the judgement of people.

I have my reasons why I believe that DW is/was pro KuvaCash you can think what you like, you usually do and its usually wrong.
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0 points,2 months ago
@DeepBlue - Yeah, you're basically only proving my point, that this has nothing to do with Dash Watch and everything to do with your emotional attachments.

Kuva's actually still ongoing, but we'll just have to wait and see what--if anything--indeed comes of it, but I'm not sure how or why that project is relevant to this discussion other than as another example of a project whose finances were examined more closely.

I recall our exchange then, and as I recall--as is often the case with complex proposals and MNOs who think they're too good and important and busy to actually sit down and read/watch/take the time to understand them--you didn't really do your homework and your criticisms indicated such and I called you on your failure as a MNO to do your job and properly take the time to understand the proposal fully before you launch in to pages of half-baked complaints. You were wrong about your criticisms then, because they came from a place of ignorance and a lack of understanding about the project. Whether or not the project itself is ultimately successful is irrelevant to the criticisms you made and the intervening, mitigating factors that occurred afterward (such as not receiving funding for several cycles). Again, our dispute there was not so much about any particular project but on yours and other MNOs repeated tendency to not devote sufficient time and energy to doing the job you're actually being paid to do and expecting POs to make up for your inadequate performance. Really, it happens with almost every remotely complex proposal, they either get ignored or torpedoed pretty much routinely.

Saying I'm "usually wrong" is absurd. We've probably voted more similarly than we have differently if your diatribes are any indication.
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2 points,3 months ago
IMPORTANT: If you use Dash Masternode Tool to vote on proposals, the new Dash Watch and MyDashWallet proposals will not show up in the currently released version. Please use the new beta version of DMT v0.9.22 to vote (you may need to hit the Refresh button if you opened DMT recently before using the new one).

The beta version of DMT is available here: https://github.com/Bertrand256/dash-masternode-tool/releases/tag/v0.9.22-beta1
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-2 points,3 months ago
@DashWatch With 83 votes currently against your proposal MNOs know how to vote. What they are saying by voting against your proposal is that the service needs to be changed and they do not believe it is currently worth the funds. With votes going through on other proposals I think that MNOs know how to vote.
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1 point,3 months ago
It seems that 321 yes voters also know how to vote. Such a strange comment to throw against a budget proposal owner.
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3 points,3 months ago
Please just compare the votes of DashNexus created proposals vs all other proposals, Dash Watch and MyDashWallet proposals have 2-3 less votes (yes or no) than all other proposals around it, this looks certainly like an issue, which could be caused by simply not seeing these proposals with DashMasternodeTool.

DMT 0.9.22 was released today and fixes the issue: https://github.com/Bertrand256/dash-masternode-tool/releases/tag/v0.9.22
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3 points,3 months ago
edit: 2-3 times less votes, see here for more details: https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/au6avr/please_support_mydashwallet_and_dash_watch/
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0 points,3 months ago
Good thing we (the masternode owners) will have to vote again early march, due to update v0.13
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0 points,3 months ago
Dash Watch February 24th 2019 Report on
Dash Watch Fifth Proposal Feb 2019 by paragon
https://dashwatchbeta.org/r/FEB19/dash_watch_fifth_proposal_feb_2019
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0 points,3 months ago
Hi MNOs and Dash Community Members! February 2019 Dash Watch Reports, Video Interviews, and Financial Reviews
https://dashwatchbeta.org/month/Feb19
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2 points,3 months ago
People may not be able to vote on this proposal using DMT.
Please vote using some other means or the latest version of DMT https://github.com/Bertrand256/dash-masternode-tool/releases/tag/v0.9.22-beta1
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3 points,3 months ago
Get out there and vote people. We can't be flying this Billion dollar thing blind. Besides, you'll give Paragon an ulcer with all this last minute voting.
solarguy
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0 points,3 months ago
Voting no. I ask the community to consider looking at the actual results delivered to the network from two of the most high profile projects that we have been sponsored, KuvaCash and DashMerchants Venezuela.

KuvaCash
The DW reports have been very positive for KuvaCash showing they had so called “delivered on every milestone” and that all the DASH was accountable on their project. However DW did not go into personal salaries on the KuvaCash project so we can't say for certain how the money was distributed. In addition DW did not report to the community that the KuvaCash project would not be able to launch without large amounts of additional funding. I think this is a rather important details that should have been included in the DW report. I don’t think MNOs would have funded their projects if they knew it has no chance of getting off the ground. The network continued to have faith in the KuvaCash project because of the DW reports. But what did KuvaCash actually deliver to the network? Zero merchants, Zero transactions and almost nothing worth noting in terms of postive world PR.

I had raised serious doubts on KuvaCash 5 proposals ago however I was cut down by Drako and his supporters along with some overly enthusiastic MNOs. But my concerns proved to be 100% correct. That KuvaCash would lead to nothing of real value to the network. What we have is a huge loss of funds with no real value to show from it.

DashMerchant Venezuela (DMV). I am making a request that MNOs consider the results delivered by the DMV team. 2500 merchants with around 100 transactions per day with World brand names now using Dash including Subway, Pappa John's, Remax and others. These big brand names give huge value to the brand name because they would not use DASH unless it was reliable. This names led to excellent PR media world wide which raised the profile of DASH considerably. These were all signed up by Lorenzo and Alejandro. Yet, DW chose not to publish any results in their DW report. DW could have waited just a few weeks to give the DMV time to put together the information for the results but DW instead published the half completed DW report focusing exclusively on the Salaries issue. This half completed report was pushed through before the last proposal voting cycle and was published in such a way to cause maximum damage to the DMV team reputations. This was irresponsible in my opinion.

Dash merchants delivered what they said they would deliver for the money they received from the network. They delivered results we asked for. Kuvacash delivered no beneficial results to the network. The DW reports supported KuvaCash and kept confidence up in continued sponsorship, even with questionable management, and DW put down DashMerchants. I am asking people to judge the success of a project by the beneficial results returned to the network and not the DW reports which focus on accounting.

The DashMerchant results have been witnessed by Ernesto from the core team in his week long visit to Venezuela see this video in which he clearly stated the results delivered by the Dash Merchant team was, quote, "Amazing"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3_TDGWJ7Og

Rodrigo visited Venezuela and also stated he paid everything in DASH during his whole visit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PbciVl3nYU

There are over 50 videos with people in Venezuela going into shops and paying with DASH

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%23VenezuelaPaysWithDash

2500 merchants signed up with DASH in Venezuela by this team:

https://discoverdash.com/stats/

I obviously disagree with what the DMV team did in altering their personal salaries.

I think it is important that MNOs know how DW learned about the altered salaries from DMV. This information was not published by DashWatch

DashWatch Audit Details: The community and MNOs have a right to know exactly how DashWatch I feel, unfairly mislead Lorenzo in the financial audit:

Lorenzo had explained to Paragon during the audit the reasons why they did not want to give their accurate salary information. Primarily it was for personal safety reasons. Lorenzo explained during the DW audit that he had been mugged 5 times to Paragon. Paragon reassured Lorenzo by stating he only wanted to account for the money that was missing. Paragon stated to Lorenzo if he told the truth about where the money went he had no intention to publish in the DW report they had altered the books provided Lorenzo would “come clean”. Reassured by this statement, Lorenzo explained the truth about the salaries and the reasons the documents were altered to keep the guys safe from being targets for being mugged. However when Paragon spoke to Gethan he stated that he would leave DashWatch it was not made public. Lorenzo had spoke the truth about their salaries even though this presented personal risk. However Gethan insisted that the details be made public even though Lorenzo spoke the truth"

I have sent several requests to DashWatch regarding the above however they have declined to comment on the above observation.

I highly recommend MNOs take some time to see the following BBC video that shows you exactly how murders in Caracas target businessmen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tMDy9iuhLI

You need to wind to near the end of the documentary where a gang of murderers and hijackers with guns explain how they kidnap and extort money from businessmen in Venezuela. They study them for several weeks to learn all about how much they earn and then target the businessmen and the victims families to extort money.

I have supported the DMV team for a year and had hundreds of calls with them over this time. I am sharing my experience here based on that correspondence. Lorenzo and Alejandro are not just leaders they are ENTREPRENEURS that find creative solutions to problems that mere managers cannot. If they do not earn good money they can just as easily make money elsewhere. The community need to understand they do not need DASH. We need them. They were paying themselves equal to a basic salary in the USA. Yet we do not understand how they would want to protect themselves from criminals that would target their family? Why didn't DashWatch focus on group salary amount on the DMV audit as they did with KuvaCash?




In addition DW are keeping private the name of one MNO owner that raised the complaints regarding DMV. However practically every civilised country of the world legal system, including the USA has the right to know who your accusers are in order for you to know if there is bias. I believe that 3rd MNO was either KuvaCash or it was a strong KuvaCash supporter. I have requested this information be released so we know if there was bias against DMV but again DW have declined to release this information, which I think also demonstrates bias for the accusers and against the DMV team.

Make no mistake about it I think that what Lorenzo and Alejandro did to hide their salaries was not right. However I also understand now why they did it, especially as there were trolls repeatedly attacking them saying they should be working for 500 times less - which is an absolutely absurd comment.

Also bear in mind that DW decided to act on behalf on the characters such as Oceanman that was repeatedly attacking the DMV proposal and one other MNO who DW will not disclose the details of. That is hardly a "community" concern as DW had originally stated. I believe the MNO details they are keeping secret is associated with KuvaCash.

If DW were truly unbiased they would have investigated KuvaCash's personal salaries as they did with Dash Merchants - but they did not. They would have released the name of the MNO accuser of the DMV proposal, which they will not, and they would have waited to publish a balanced report on the DMV proposal showing the results delivered by the DMV team. The results delivered from a project are what really counts afterall. Did the Dash Merchant Team deliver worthwhile results for the community? My belief is ABSOLUTELY and MNOs should not be swayed by a DashWatch that is focused on one aspect that discredits the team that have delivered so many beneficial results to the network. So far DW have a poor record in determining return of value to the network from their reports - case in point KuvaCash which so far has delivered nothing.

I am not saying that the DW service is not worthwhile. What I'm saying is the way it is run at the moment is causing more damage than good to the network in terms of appearing to be biased and highlighting issues that undermined a team’s credibility and not the results returned. I would also like to see a set of rules that DW need to adhere to when undertaking an investigation. The DMV team have worked hard to deliver to the network and they have a right to be treated in a fair manner. I would not say destroying the DMV team reputation that has delivered so much to the network is something I want to continue to fund.
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4 points,2 months ago
Hi Deepblue,
We have put together a comprehensive response to all of the concerns and questions raised and attached it below
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zq6noc1K0fQbGA8KlIPOfOAK8PlkUmGCLwKmXpM-i2Q/edit
Apologies for it having to be in the form of a Google document but it was simply too long to fit properly in the comment section of DC and unless MNOs feel extremely strongly posting a 14-page document in this comment section felt excessive. If requested we are happy to copy the full response here.
Thanks
Paragon and The Dash Watch Team
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3 points,2 months ago
This is patently ridiculous. Comparing KuvaCash and DMV is a false equivalency, because in the former the funds were all accounted for, and the funds were *not* accounted for in the latter, and when the discrepancy emerged, the Proposal Owners chose to fraudulently present falsified documents when they had other options. That is *purely* on them, not DashWatch. DashWatch was just doing the job they were asked to do in the manner that they have always done it, with objectivity and without partiality.

Your (DeepBlue's) close involvement with the DMV proposal is clouding your judgment here. You're trying to torpedo one of the most important proposals in the DAO which greatly enriches the work done by all our other Proposal Owners and enhances the entire ecosystem out of a grudge over your pet project falling apart. You have no one to blame but your partners in DMV. They brought this on themselves, especially given the fact that they had completely viable options to give proper accounting for their budget while maintaining their safety. Business does not work without trust, and DMV violated that trust. Whether or not the network sees fit to allow them to regain that trust remains to be seen, but I will not stand by and watch you scapegoat Dash Watch for doing their job and doing it well.

DW is under no obligation to release the names of MNOs who request information from them, and furthermore, with the ability to create sockpuppets, all they would need to do is make a new one temporarily to make these kinds of requests, and that is precisely the state of affairs that comes from headhunting. What would even matter if you found out who was asking for this information? What would you do about it? What *could* you do about it? This is also not a reason to denigrate Dash Watch, nor is it evidence of bias or failure in duty.

DW didn't destroy DMV's reputation, DMV destroyed DMV's reputation. I'll also remind you that the POs behind DMV have several other proposals running that were *not* defunded that are continuing to be funded. They got off lightly on the merits of the work they've done. In many other contexts, they would be brought up on charges of fraud, you and they should both be glad that the DAO is even willing to work with them still after falsifying financial documents to our regulatory agency.
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2 points,2 months ago
Yep, i agree. I think at this point DeepBlue is doing more harm then good to the Dash Venezuela Team which has recentely restored contact with Dash Watch. Way too many off topic comments are getting dumped into this budget proposal because one person is on a warpath.

We already handled who requested the financial report from the Dash Venez Team proposal in their own budget proposal, now its raised here again ? And KuvaCash gets dragged into this again too ? I really can do without these kind of comments.
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-3 points,2 months ago
@Arthyron, whatever...
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4 points,3 months ago
Hi DeepBlue,
Thank you for your comment and continued interest in our work and objectivity. In order to keep the comment section clear, Dash Watch has included our detailed reply to your comments and concerns in a google document posted below.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Cl3V6VHylH9O5pRmFiQG_KxXtEaSun2RZXBjDi-aPkY/edit

We hope our response will help provide clarity on the situation and demonstrate our commitment to objective and unbiased reporting.
Thanks
Paragon and the DashWatch Team
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0 points,3 months ago
Dear Proposal owner.

Answering in third party sites does not build much trust. Please answer to questions here.

Thank you!
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-1 point,2 months ago
I agree.

"Keep the comment section clean?" Um... what exactly does DashWatch (whomever is typing their answers) think the comment section is for?
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3 points,2 months ago
Hey guys, they mention it is 14 pages long, so I agree with their decision to post an external link to the doc rather than the biggest block of text DC has ever seen.

DW just verify claims and attest docs that are provided to them, they don’t place judgement.

I wouldn’t want them to hold out disclosing their discovery of document tampering at DMV. They were right to do so, that’s why we pay them and they did their job well.

We absolutely need external auditors. We can’t accept a situation where we go back to POs writing whatever figures they want in their own monthly reports, as well as making unverified claims to ‘deals in the works’ that simply don’t exist.

In addition, DeepBlue is completely out of the loop with regards to the Kuvacash project, it’s running fine and generating the right kind of buzz for Dash IMO.
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1 point,2 months ago
I'm not particular keen to read page long off topic posts from one person on a warpath, followed up by another page long reply on those off topic comments. In this case i'm all for keeping the comment section clean.
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0 points,3 months ago
@DashWatch, thank you for your reply. Please note however you have not replied to the observation that I made that @paragon made an assurance to Lorenzo Rey that you had no intention to publicise the altered salaries if Lorenzo "came clean" and told the truth about their salaries. Then, after Lorenzo told the truth, DashWatch went back on its word and published the fact that the documents were altered to hide their true earnings. This is my main objection in the manner in which this was undertaken. In the legal system there is such a thing called a "plea bargain" in which the truth is spoken in exchange for an agreed course of action. It appears that DW went back on the plea bargain agreement. I am asking DW to comment on this specific point please. I know it is unpleasant however to do this however it is important that a set of guiding principals be established for DW under circumstances such as this.

You could say misleading a proposal owner to tell the truth led to a positive result. Although the result of learning about the documents was positive in the respect that no proposal owner should falsify documents, I believe it was wrong in the manner in which this information was obtained. If you had not made a promise you could not fulfil the team could have exercised their right to remaining silent - especially under these circumstances in which this team had little option but to not disclose their true salaries without endangering themselves and their families. DW they only paid themselves a salary equivalent to the average salary in the US and in return DASH received so much value back to the network that no other team or other projects has even come close to returning what they gave us.

If the DashWatch report had waited to issue the results of this team it would have given a balance view however now that the team's reputations are seriously damaged in this very public manner my understanding is they do not want to work for DASH any more. You could have given them some more time to get those results for your report. They have been working extraordinary hours. I know because I spoke them them sometimes as late as 3am Venezuela time they were still working on our projects!

My understanding is that the DMV team are tired of having to deal with the trolls, of KuvaCash attacks and on the politics. They are tired of MNOs thinking they should be working for a ridiculous $50 dollars a month because the average wage in Venezuela is $12 and having to explain themselves for this - even in the face of delivering outstanding results to the community. That is not enough for DASH. The community do not understand that these guys can earn significantly more doing their own thing without DASH. They are Entrepreneurs. I understand this because I have worked with them for a year. The community do not understand this and it also is clear that DW also does not understand that. They have had enough of the continual barrage of negativity constantly thrown at them whenever they raise a proposal when what they are doing is working flat out to deliver value to the community. This is why you can't get in touch with them now DW. They have had enough, and their reputations now being damaged was the last straw. I don't think there is much chance they will want to work for Dash again. So you might ask why am I raising all these points? Because I want to clear their names. I felt we owe them that much, after they have given us so much.

It is not just the loss of their contributions but also all my contributions for a whole year and going forward have ended. That is also a unaccounted loss to the network. I was the one that first came up with the concept of Remittances to Venezuela - if you check in the first ever DashHelp proposal you will see it is me that had researched that market and suggested it to the teams. It seems obvious now but it was not so obvious at that time. It took a lot of work and research to find this out. I raised remittances even before George Donnelly started his Dash Colombia. I have also backed the DMV team up with hundreds of answers and issues and ideas to make their projects work and shared my experience freely to the team to get the results they got which has enriched the Dash Network. This was all unpaid contributions from me. My time is valuable. So the network has now also lost my contributions to the DMV work and to DASH. There are no other teams currently operating that I would want to work with. All of this work is not longer possible because the credibilities of the DMV team have been undermined in the way in which the DW report was issued without enough consideration of their circumstances. The community, and obviously DW do not know this team. In my opinion, with working with this team for a year DASH has lost some of THE best entrepreneurs we could have possibly have hoped for. These guys not only delivered, and shared their results they also dealt with the community with respect. Unlike KuvaCash management that feel it is OK to insult MNOs in the name of "good leadership" . That is the biggest load of rubbish I've ever heard. That is not good leadership, that is plain stupidity we don't need leaders like that making DASH a toxic environment. the DMV team were always polite, respectful and fostered a positive and collobrative environment for DASH.

My understanding is that DMV do not want to work with Dash any more. That is why you can't contact them. They can make better money elsewhere and be respected and paid what they deserve without all the negativity, disrespect, trolls and BS thrown at them. I have to say I'm beginning to feel the same way myself. I want to contribute to an ecosystem that that is collaborative, supportive and innovative. I am getting tiered of the characters that DASH has attracted into its network that are constantly attacking negatively proposals with complete BS and for MNO to actually be influenced by this is unbelievable. It shows me that some MNOs that are large holders of DASH are obviously inexperienced business people that are easily swayed by constant negativity even if that negativity is baseless.

I fully realise the difficulty is must be for DashWatch to get the balance right between when to disclose information and when not to disclose information about a project. I would assume this is a day to day battle for you guys. However in my opinion, it is clear that DW did not understand the situation with the DMV guys safety and the problems of working in Caracas. It seems a conclusion was jumped to by members of DW that the motive for modifying accounts was to rip off the network when in fact it was to ensure they got paid a decent salary which they know they can earn somewhere else and still maintain their safety.

I feel at the moment some guiding principals need to be established for DW that are agreed by the MNOs and the community to ensure that proposal owners that have hugely contributed to the network do not have their reputations destroyed and therefore have all potential for them to contribute again lost. We ultimately need to focus on the return of value to the network from a team. As far as I am concerned that is what really counts.
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-1 point,3 months ago
@DashWatch you have not given a reply to the 2 pieces of information I am repeatedly requesting. 1. You mislead the DMV team in your audit. You went back on your word on not disclosing the altered records in exchange for Lorenzo telling the truth. We need a clear statement on this issue. So far you have avoided answering any questions on this issue.

Secondly I want the name of the MNO who wished to remain anonymous released. The accused have a right to know who their accusers are - including in US law: See this reference:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/sixth_amendment

If a plea bargain is arranged in any legal proceedings you cannot go back on this. To do so undermines trust in the legal system.

By doing what you did DashWatch you now undermine any possible confidence that any proposal owner will ever have in telling the truth when there is a discrepancy. They simply will not tell the truth for fear of being exposes as you did with Lorenzo and Alejandro of DMV.

We need clear rules and guidelines on how DW can operate. They are currently setting their own rules and they are unfortunately causing inadvertent damage to the network.
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2 points,2 months ago
Yeah, lets refer to US law and threathen to sue Dash Watch if they dont give up the name of that anonymous MNO while participathing in a crypto project that has strong links with anonymity and privacy .. that will work. Totally off topic, totally unrealistic and totally unnecessary.
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-2 points,3 months ago
Fwiw core has contracted DW to do the trust protector election, defunding DW during a critical step maybe a step in the wrong direction

If core did not beleive DW could do this role impartially they would not have asked DW to do the initial screening and KYC

Dw conducts and audit deliverables, evaluation on proposals and prepares reports on a monthly basis

Not being funded for a month may cause more harm than good

Please consider the ramifications of the aforementioned.
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-1 point,3 months ago
@realmrhack if you give so much value to what the core team say and do how is it that you completely disregarded what the core team said about the DashMerchants program in their week long visit to Venezuela when you were throwing continuous negativity at their proposal.
Here is what the core team had to say about the Dash Merchant work in Venezuela:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3_TDGWJ7Og

So you listen to the core team in one area but not in another?
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-1 point,3 months ago
Voting no precisely because of the "trust protectors" involvement of DW. We need to be certain the right people get into a position of power don't you think.
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3 points,3 months ago
http://bit.ly/DVPodcast Podcast version of the Dash Venezuela Interview
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3 points,3 months ago
You have my support, i just wish the unallocated budget for this superblock was not this tight.
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2 points,3 months ago
Dash Watch video interview with Dash Venezuela Leader, Eugenia Alcala, http://bit.ly/VideoInterviewDV
With questions such as "How would you respond to the statement “Venezuela is too politically and economically unstable to be a viable location for real Dash adoption” What do you believe is the biggest issue stopping Dash from becoming more widely used as a currency option in Venezuela? and covering topics such as Dash remittances to Venezuela, the impact of Dash conferences/PR and the current and future plans for this proposal team.

For those who like to watch specific answers here is the timestamped links to the 21 questions asked to the Dash Venezuela team http://bit.ly/DashVZQuestionList
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4 points,3 months ago
Keep up the great work you do the the community, hands down easy Yes!!!
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3 points,3 months ago
Hi Dash Community,
Dash Watch conducted a video Q&A with Fernando from DCG covering some of the FAQs regarding the upcoming Trust Protector Election. We cover topics including the requirements and responsibilities of the role as well as the KYC and anonymity concerns associated with becoming a candidate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvSO8160woA
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5 points,3 months ago
Possibly, the best bang for the buck on the treasury. Thanks for all the hard work and evolving to meet our needs. I know you guys are running a tight ship on a shoestring budget. Hopefully the value of Dash doesn't stay depressed forever. I would love to give you all a raise.

solarguy
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-1 point,3 months ago
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3 points,3 months ago
Disregard '?' its supposed to be 100%
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