Proposal “dash-nexus-migration“ (Closed)Back

Title:Dash Nexus - Migration
Owner:DashNexus
Monthly amount: 382 DASH (66457 USD)
Completed payments: no payments occurred yet (3 month remaining)
Payment start/end: 2019-01-16 / 2019-04-15 (added on 2019-01-11)
Final voting deadline: in passed
Votes: 51 Yes / 29 No / 0 Abstain
External information: dashnexus.org/proposals/7e13bd86-f539-4d83-a01b-83bcfbd0280d/overview

Proposal description

Dear Dash community, 

The details of our proposal are available on Dash Nexus: Dash Nexus - Migration

UPDATE: Video interview with DashWatch 



Thank you for your support!

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Discussion: Should we fund this proposal?

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1 point,4 months ago
I am affraid that to many MN voters thought that this just a migration of Dash central to Dash Nexus, Please change title before next voting cycle
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8 points,4 months ago
If we fund Nexus this cycle, there is no chance that we can fund Core Team PR proposal, because not enough funds.
Having no PR during this market situation will be fatal for Dash. Under such conditions, Nexus funding should be postponed to next cycle.
Sadly i have to vote no, but only reason being the lack of funds.
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0 points,4 months ago
the Q of which of the 2 would provide more benefit to the Dash-network
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0 points,4 months ago
You mean the PR firm that let's news outlets keep referring to Ryan Taylor as the CEO of Dash ? and that done little to none to combat all sort of damaging FUD ?!?
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-1 point,4 months ago
I would urge you to reconsider. There are a number of other proposals near the funding line within whale striking distance that a lot of things could be shifted around to make room for both. There are also a number of projects on the ballot right now that shouldn't be funded in the first place. With enough judicious, targeted votes, it would be possible to fund both. Remember that "NO" votes carry much more weight than "YES" votes due to how our system is weighted. Measure it out carefully if you've got the voting power to make a difference.
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2 points,4 months ago
Why is anyone voting No on this?

This is not funding a business, this is for critical infrastructure. It has been requested due to a decrease in value of Dash received.

I encourage everyone to actually read up on what the funds will be spent on, why they are needed, and also what the ongoing maintenance costs will be once it is up and running (very little, just like DC).

This is more important than the VZ proposals, and even the current core PR proposal.

Don’t hold back your votes, we have the funds and this should be up at the top already!

And go defund that other old unresponsive Venezuela proposal already!

Pay attention to your investment and vote accordingly MNOs.
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0 points,4 months ago
Can the no voters please explain, whats the rationale for voting NO, on such a great project?

I understand some may feel its redundant or not necessary, redt assured its one of the most critically needed peice of the dao currently

With nexus this whole dao experience will be a game changer!!!


Feel free to msg me @mrhack or @yuribear @jeffh on discord for any questions or concerns

I am not affiliated to the project just merely would like to help clear any misunderstandings or confusion that may currently be


Lets vote yes!!!!!!!!
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7 points,5 months ago
I cannot believe that this is not passing. It is a no-brainer, people.
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0 points,4 months ago
Mainly voting yes because of the price depreciation, which this budget proposal addresses and to keep the necessary maintenance going.
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7 points,5 months ago
Dash Watch video interview with MNO and Dash Nexus, Project Lead ,Yuri, http://bit.ly/NexusDWInterview focusing on the development and current status of the Nexus platform with questions such as “How would you respond to the statement “Development Agencies like STRV are not a cost-effective option and in house development team would be a better and more efficient choice”?

The interview is 17 questions in under 14 minutes covering topics including the current features available on Nexus, the impact of Dash depreciation on the proposal, is Nexus going to be made open source, and what will happen to the platform if the Nexus proposal does not receive additional treasury funding this month.
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-1 point,5 months ago
A strong request from multiple users came in to DashNexus months ago to make the display of available Dash decrease down the list of yet-to-be-approved proposals, allowing the calculation of remaining funds in order of preference. Someone from the DashNexus team responded (I think on Reddit) that this correction was soon to be released.

So why has this highly-demanded correction not been released?
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1 point,4 months ago
This request was added to our backlog, but we wanted to find a more elegant solution to show funding availability, because other users reported that seeing negative ‘available funds’ was also confusing. However, due to funding constraints, we had to make some compromises and prioritize building out core functionality, rather than polishing up some aspects of the platform that were considered ‘functional’ and satisfied most users.

To help us better understand the needs of the community, we created the DashNexus feedback portal, where users can suggest ideas and vote to show their support for ideas others suggested. This tool will help us gauge the importance of any given feature and prioritize our development resources as we continue to improve the platform. We highly encourage all users to visit the portal, share their ideas, and vote/comment on the ideas of others:

https://feedback.dashnexus.org/ideas
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0 points,5 months ago
How much money have DashNexus received from DAO already?
Looking for a total number in USD and DASH
Thank you!
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-1 point,5 months ago
Hi Neo!

Our original proposal asked for a total of $460,000 (296 Dash/month at $388/Dash on May 22, 2018). Given the rapid price depreciation over the few months following the proposal’s approval, we only received $294,000 ($166,000 less than planned).

Our second proposal requested $225,000 (380 Dash/month at $197/Dash on Sep 14, 2018). This amount was intended to cover both the depreciation from the first proposal, as well as a 15% increase in total project cost, which arose from having to reduce our burn rate and extend the development time to accommodate the available budget. Due to the ongoing depreciation, the total payout in USD for this proposal was $153,000, resulting in a final budget deficit of $70,000.

The detailed values of each month’s can be seen on page 5 of our December DashWatch report: https://dashwatch.org/files/1547063743459.pdf

Please let us know if you have any other questions.
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-2 points,5 months ago
Anyone else registered an MN on DashNexus, only to find that a bug on the site won't let you comment in the MNO-only discussion section?
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-1 point,5 months ago
Users who verify their nodes on are able to use the MNO discussion board, as can be seen here: https://app.dashnexus.org/proposals/3442b20b-d4bc-4588-affb-819e542e8028/discussion
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-3 points,5 months ago
I spent some time trying out the site and I was not overly impressed:

1. The voting is just as slow as on Dashcentral.
2. I could not see the individual votes of my nodes unlike on DashCentral.
3. I don't understand why DashCentral wasn't simply expanded with filters and whatever.
4. A lot of money has already been spent on this and a lot is still being asked. Moving a website or database should not cost more than a years paycheck. I have worked in the software sector and it does not make sense.
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0 points,4 months ago
Hello, and thank you for your feedback!

We built the Nexus MVP from scratch using modern frameworks, so that we could use it as a foundation for future expansion.

In addition to combining the functionality previously fulfilled by three disparate services (DashCentral, DashVoteTracker, and the Pre-proposal forums), we also added a host of new features:
- Completely re-imagined proposal creator with much more functionality than was available on DC
- Simple proposal submission process that eliminates the need for copying/pasting command lines to and from the core wallet and allows less technical proposal owners to present their ideas to the Dash community
- Notifications, which allow both proposal owners and MNOs to stay up to date on recent developments
- User Profiles that lay the foundation for 'reputation management' - something we would like to focus on expanding as part of our ongoing development.

As with any software project, some things took longer than expected, and coupled with the funding constraints - we were able to deliver something that is functional, but not quite perfect.

We hope to be given the opportunity to continue building upon the foundation that was created and implement a ton of NEW functionality that will make Nexus a much more powerful governance tool than what came before it.

I would also like to set up a time for a call to hear some more of your feedback. If it's not too much trouble, please reach out to me on discord @yuribear or via email at hello@dashnexus.org

Your critique, suggestions, and ideas are extremely valuable in guiding us through our future development efforts.
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1 point,5 months ago
1. How could voting be expedited? What is "slow" about the voting on either?
2. https://feedback.dashnexus.org/ - If you have a suggestion for something to add or tweak
3. Watch the videos interviewing the Nexus staff about what they have planned. DC simply doesn't have the framework for the capabilities that are being built in to Nexus. Nexus isn't simply a re-skinning of DC, it's going to be an entirely new, robust platform...but it needs funding to build out those features.
4. Less money has been spent than was actually initially requested due to Dash depreciation. So if you voted to fund the original proposals, then Nexus still hasn't yet received all you originally allocated to them.
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6 points,5 months ago
The MVP already has a fair amount of functionality. You can once again see the graphic and numeric voting trends, similar to what DashVoteTracker did.

And the high priority list of features is also good: They are streamlining the proposal process, which is currently pretty bad. DashWatch reports will be integrated to they are right there when you need them. You'll be able to vote, even from your phone. The Proposal Explorer will show proposals now, but also will facilitate pre-proposals for better participation by MN's and better outcomes for prop owners. The Leaderboard replaces the DashVoteTracker functionality, which is awesome. It also has search, sort and filter functions. Couldn't do that on DC. Encourage/require the proposal owners to state their plans in the event of a value increase or decrease in Dash. Etc etc.

Yes for me, solarguy
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0 points,5 months ago
Thank you for your support, solarguy!

I would like to clarify that you can already vote from your phone when you add your voting keys to your account (under the Masternode section).

Our Concepts section is off to a great start I encourage all MNOs to check it out and leave some feedback for the proposal owners, so they can refine their ideas before submitting their live proposals: https://app.dashnexus.org/proposals/concepts
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-2 points,5 months ago
I would have hoped that the MVP would have been much, much more substantial to justify asking for an additional $25k per month for yet three more months. In light of the underwhelming release, will be voting "no".
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4 points,5 months ago
I'm curious what precisely you were hoping for/expecting regarding the Nexus MVP that is not currently present? Certainly there are a number of tertiary features that they intended to add but were unable to due to Dash price depreciation, but I'm genuinely interested in hearing what you find underwhelming about the platform...
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4 points,5 months ago
Why are we are using DashCentral to have this conversation right now, and not DashNexus?

DashCentral was already available, free, and heavily-trafficked. DashNexus is the expensive thing meant to replace our free thing, but without any compelling, game-changing upgrades.

I created an account on DashNexus to see what the fuss was about. Registered an MN, and went to comment on a proposal to, you know, *move the discussion there*, and the site tells me I don't qualify to comment in the MNO-only section. A bug stopping one of the most basic functionalities on the site? Seriously?
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0 points,5 months ago
...because most MNOs don't really take the time to review proposals thoroughly or keep in touch with what's going on in the community so they often don't fully know or understand what they're voting about, would be my guess. I've been making an effort to cross-post in both locations.

If you'd been following the development and updates closely, you'd notice that "game-changing upgrades" are on the horizon, but market depreciation has prevented many of them from being included in MVP...hence the need for continued funding like this proposal. Nexus is going to be *so* much more than DC with a new coat of paint feature-wise.

Did you both register *and* verify your MN? You have to do both. If you did and it's a bug, then submit a bug report. There will be bugs in new software. I didn't have that issue, though.
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5 points,5 months ago
@dashnexus thank you for reaching out to clarify the future of nexus, it was a pleasure having a conversation with yuri.

Voting Yes!
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6 points,5 months ago
This project is a major cog in the role out of dash developments in 2019. My vote is an obvious yes..
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2 points,5 months ago
No one should be considered a "major cog" if we are to remain nimble and adaptable. Giving someone "major cog" status is like handing them a blank check and turning off the oversight.
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4 points,5 months ago
First we spend a ton of money building this platform now it costs another 100k to just migrate?

Whats next 500k for tooth fairies?
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1 point,5 months ago
Agreed, voting no x13.
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2 points,5 months ago
How many cycles am I going to have to post responses directly to you asking you to actually read and thoroughly investigate proposals before making some low-value, rude, ignorant comment? When are you going to start behaving like an adult, like a professional, and not some 12 year old playing on his Xbox?
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1 point,5 months ago
@aryhyron i could careless of your feeble opinion, i dont have the time to write extensive replyes such as yourself. Ive actually got successful business that I run, not sit infront of a pc all day and watch the dao.

And for the facts they stand, have you calculated at all how much money has been spent?

Or have you put some thought into their recent proposal?, STRV is hoping to engage the dao as a long term piggy bank full-stop.


Thank you
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3 points,5 months ago
If you don't have the time to put in the time and effort to thoroughly understand and investigate proposals, then you shouldn't be commenting at all. The DAO would be better off without those kinds of comments. I also own and run and work at a successful business, and I make the time. If you feel that you don't have the time to perform your duties adequately and professionally, then delegate your votes to someone who does in the update launching later today. There's no excuse for consistently behaving this way, someone who is ostensibly "running a successful business" should know this.

Yes, I'm aware of how much as been spent, and I'm also aware it's significantly less than was originally allotted due to price depreciation. If you had a problem with the cost, then you should have reviewed the previous proposals and made your disagreement about the associated costs known then, because they were actually higher back when the budget was larger.

Your questions indicate that you haven't sufficiently understood anything that has transpired (i.e. the cost is not simply for *migration,* the "migration" aspect of this proposal is about trying to wean the DAO off our old structures and networks and shift the activity to the new platform) but are quick to accuse paid, high-level contractors doing good work of greed and malfeasance without any evidence other than you think it's expensive. Do you not see how that sort of behavior is problematic, unhelpful, and counter-productive? That's not an acceptable or professional way of behaving or doing business, and your peers shouldn't have to teach you how to be a decent human being, let alone a decent business partner.

Comments and behavior like this do real harm to the DAO, and force those of us who are trying to be professional and courteous to play babysitter. It's not a good look for any of us.
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0 points,5 months ago
@arthyron save it for someone who cares what you think to be its just bunch of noise

Secondly it was a statement made tounge-in-cheek clearly its indicitive of that matter of fact ive always been a supporter of nexus!

We can see your business sense by voring yes for proposals which gouge the network i.e vz merchant.

Dash watch is preparing reports will be published soon!
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1 point,5 months ago
Yeah, you don't get to accuse Nexus and its contractors of malfeasance and just say you were joking around to cover it up. Don't be that guy that says something off-color and pretends he was joking when it finds it was unpopular or that he shouldn't have said it. Just do better, it's not like this is the only proposal in which you've behaved reprehensibly. Do you treat your day-to-day business partners and customers that way? Why would you do it here, when you are negatively impacting all our stake in this project?
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0 points,5 months ago
I never said i was joking around.

Secondly heres a definition of the actual language

mal·fea·sance
/ˌmalˈfēzəns/Submit
nounLAW
wrongdoing, especially by a public official.

By saying they asking for money for random things is no way to be construed as 'malfeasance'

Quite the contrary i suggest you get yourself an english dictionary

Thank you.
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1 point,5 months ago
What Realmrhack was writing, is not entirely made-up.
So far much more (!) money was spent than value delivered.
The Nexus team should be more sensible and reasonable when requesting funds, not just about the amounts but also spread out their ask over longer periods of time, especially in the situation the treasury is right now.
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1 point,5 months ago
How are you measuring value? What metrics? What would a reasonable cost be? These are vague and nebulous accusations, and thus unhelpful. How--specifically--could the Nexus team accomplish these goals and improvements you describe?

If you'll review the previous proposals, they received much, much less money than they had requested, which pushed back timelines and reduced the scope of Nexus MVP. Had they received the full amount they had initially requested, they probably would have launched earlier with more features. Again, this is a matter of actually following the development cycle.

Another thing to consider is the work they're going to have to do with the upcoming changes to the DAO and the addition of Dash Ventures and other factors that they may have to facilitate. It would behoove us to actually have all of that squared away ahead of time, but we're just not going to get there without funding. Critical infrastructure is far more important than any other spending we can do aside from primary development. It's worth the cost if we're going to be ready for what's coming.
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1 point,5 months ago
This project is essential, critical infrastructure for the DAO moving forward, and this proposal will help us fund the features necessary for it to perform as we will need it to perform in the coming months when we start having to manage an ecosystem full of hungry Dapp developers and later on with Dash Ventures. We need to have all the essential features built out, tested, and functioning live by then. The price decline hit this project harder than most, but it deserves our support and the DAO can't really go on without it. It's very important that we continue to fund this project and finish the build out of necessary features.
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