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DO NOT take this as an excuse to raise the fee for putting in a proposal from 1 Dash to 10 DASH, That would be a terrible knee jerk reaction, frustrating as this proposal is, we should try to squeeze the positives from it as I believe the OP intended. Voters need to be more involved, thats why I've created DAOwatch.blog to discuss proposals and increase engagement, feel free to share my videos, comment, like and subscribe. Thanks for your time ;)

The proposal is not frustrating. The proposal is troll, or even fun.

Fustrating are the DCG coders or the Dashcentral.org coders, who didnt code a filter system and a tag system, so that troll or fun proposals to be able to disappear from the view of those who dont like them.

I don't think anyone is thinking like that, dropping the proposal fee was a massive step forward is democratising Dash and opening the ears of the MNOs.

glad to hear it! I just worry as Ive seen this happen in other DAOs (evmos) where they knee jerked and raised the proposal fee, and subsequently now they havent had any proposals for months. no new ideas, no new people.

Warning! This appears to be an impersonator!
This PO has never before posted a proposal.
https://mnowatch.org/proposalowners/?po=the_dessert_lynx

The real desert lynx has posted several.
https://mnowatch.org/proposalowners/?po=the_desert_lynx

Note the spelling of the name, the double s, Joel does not spell his name with two s's because he is not a lemony snicket, but rather a dry, crusty old curmudgeon who's living off of crypto and shaking his fist at the establishment.

Please note that this proposal pays to address XyphucZoDNEPYcw7mCf8F8VFuX1kugfFC8 which has no transaction history. The real desert lynx always pays out to XjRx5Xj9G4kE4gvLT6GQKmvWMrtGPtUjkS as can be gleaned from https://mnowatch.org/summary/

Also, this is the funding transaction of this proposal. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/tx.dws?4ea9b33c0ed4bff376a2dbf1551d1e065b3561bdc2616633b557958ccad17768.htm The Dash for the proposal fee (1 Dash Burn) comes from XjQMjrDVzU5vC261hUH2avKbSxbvhPhzoy which is a masternode payout address. There is one masternode registered to this address, protx hash -> d2e0949bbf2ed9b057a581969cd5a6ba156dd6d4916f985e22e39d0183acba13 and collateral at -> 458828de0a425acf4482cc7eb17755977479f4e7a4af8d4d8a330af46e92a14f-1. Checking on https://mnowatch.org/Types/ this collateral belongs to a group of 2 called 'CrowHelpNext' which is an automated link done by AI running on the site. The other collateral is a88bfbcfdcc51b46511788ac14e027a77e1f7ef741871680a4433bedd9a167ff-0.

Please downvote this scam and prevent the DAO being drained of funds. Meanwhile, I thank the PO for his contribution in making Dash more scarce by provably burning 1 Dash for this fraud.

What is also interesting is looking at the current votes of this PO. Using this link https://mnowatch.org/getvotes/?collatHI=458828de0a425acf4482cc7eb17755977479f4e7a4af8d4d8a330af46e92a14f-1 we can see his votes on the current list of proposals (click the column headings to sort the table).

Proposal name Vote Signal *
DCG-SUPPLEMENTAL-JUNE-23 no funding
dash-marketing-hub-integrations-bounty no funding
dash-marketing-hub-8 no funding
Revert-CoinJoin-to-PrivateSend no funding
DCG-COMP-JUL-SEP23 no funding
DASHFTLJUL-SEP2023 no funding
dash-incubator-2023-q2 yes funding
Dash-Italia-Social-Management yes funding

and this person is voting NO on the current Dash Marketing hub proposals! I wonder who that could be? This pattern of voting is consistent, for example view this report on https://mnowatch.org/the_results_dashd_2023-03-24-01-55-24.html from March and use the browser's Find tool to search on 458828de0a425acf4482cc7eb17755977479f4e7a4af8d4d8a330af46e92a14f-1 and see how he votes. Back in Feb, https://mnowatch.org/the_results_dashd_2023-02-22-02-35-33.html it was all NOs! ->
dash-marketing-hub-7 DCG-COMP-JAN-MAR23 DCG-Infra-Feb-Mar-2023 DCG-SUPPLEMENTAL-FEB23 Marketing_for_russian_speaking_community the-dash-dao-irrevocable-trust-2023 <- What a sour puss!

This may not be the same person, this could be someone just reading titles on dmt and voting without diligence.

>https://mnowatch.org/the_results_dashd_2023-02-22-02-35-33.html it was all NOs!

https://mnowatch.org/the_results_dashd_2023-02-22-02-35-33.html?0=458828de0a425acf4482cc7eb17755977479f4e7a4af8d4d8a330af46e92a14f-1

Not all his votes are NO. For mnowatch-hosting-2023 he didnot express any opinion!

You can directly point to the search.

https://mnowatch.org/the_results_dashd_2023-03-24-01-55-24.html?0=458828de0a425acf4482cc7eb17755977479f4e7a4af8d4d8a330af46e92a14f-1

The filters are numbers 0 the first, 1 the second e.t.c.

Note that this proposal is in no way affiliated with the Dash Marketing Hub, or myself personally.

Has the_desert_lynx now renamed himself to the_deSSert_lynx ? Is it even you Joël?

No.

You have already two comments here, but not a single comment in your own proposal.

https://www.dashcentral.org/p/dash-marketing-hub-integrations-bounty

Why?

Exactly this, quite unwilling to answer legitimate questions about metrics but happy to reply to scammer posts.

Not like he actually lives by his principles anyway. Seems he's quite happy to do KYC when it suits him e.g. zcash grants.

I'd like to thank the scammer for burning 1 Dash tho.

Will you also thank the stupid masternodes who gave 3775 DASH ($313,830.00) ( look at https://mnowatch.org/proposalowners/?po=the_desert_lynx ) from the budget for marketing purposes, and despite this huge amount of Dash there are no social media metrics of the campaigs, so that they can judge their effectiveness?

No, you will not, because you are a paid slave , so your opinion cannot be objective.

Athenian slaves.
With several minor exceptions, the testimony of a slave was not admissible except under torture. Slaves were tortured in trials because they often remained loyal to their masters.

well done to you itsdemo for understanding the rationale for this proposal.

Can you please stop talking to yourself itsdemo / the_dessert_lynx.

Also it would be nice if you could stop introducing spam / low quality proposals to the Dash network with long time periods (25 months / 10 months).

Grouping people who agree each other, and accusing of being the same person is a common agent tactic.

I declare it, and let God be the witness and the punisher of the liar , that I am not affiliated with the_dessert_lynx.

The de$$ert lynx. hahahaha! :)

Yes...I think this will be the next nickname the impersonator will choose.

3775 DASH ($313,830.00) is not small amount of money, so de$$ert is more accurate.

DMH never asks for 10 cycles of funding.

The stupid masternodes, instead of voting a delete signal for this proposal, they vote yes or no.

Whose the fault?

https://mnowatch.org/signals_delete/

Have a look at the recent delete_signals mnowatch report.

https://mnowatch.org/signals_delete/the_results_dashd_2023-07-04-09-04-31.uniqueHashVotes.2.html

Not a single MNO votes a delete signal for this proposal.

So maybe they are not stupid, they just like the dash budget to be spammed by pranksters.

On the other hand we can observe a strong delete signal for the proposal of DCG.

175 masternodes would like the DCG-COMP-JUL-SEP23 proposal to be deleted!

That is most likely the Russian masternode whale.

(Master Blaster). I think someone mentioned that masternode whale used a delete signal before on previous DCG budget proposals.

Also be informed in order to kill a budget proposal through a delete signal the voting treshold is a lot higher and with current voting participation extremely difficult to achieve.

Is it? In that case, why dont you add a "vote the numbers" proposal about this issue?

https://www.dashcentral.org/p/encointerUBI-Range-0-242-Digit3

https://www.dashcentral.org/p/DecreaceDeleteThreshold-Range-0-100-Digit3

What do you think about it?

Let me prepare the proposal for you.

https://mnowatch.org/votethenumbers/prepnumvote3/prep3.php?minnum=0&maxnum=100&proposals%5B%5D=DecreaceDeleteThreshold-Digit1&proposals%5B%5D=DecreaceDeleteThreshold-Digit2&proposals%5B%5D=DecreaceDeleteThreshold-Range-0-100-Digit3

Yes, MasterBlaster is the one who cast the delete signals against DCG.

But he is not a Russion. WeeJohnny is . I used to call him "The Tsar".

But the question here is WHY THE MASTERNODES DO NOT CAST DELETE SIGNALS AGAINST THIS PRANK?

I assume either they are ignorants, or they like the prank.

Masterblaster is Russian, we made the link when he created his very own proposal.

https://mnowatch.org/masterblaster/

Masterblaster may be of Russian Origin.

But his fleet was never hosted in Russia, as weejhonny's fleet did.

When I say Russian, I mean someone who lives there, not of Russian origin.

Nah...Masterblaster is involved with it.
https://mnowatch.org/masterblaster/

The Russian is https://mnowatch.org/weejohnny/
First time I discovered him, he was hosted in Russia.

Now he seems dead, probably a missile from Ukranians or from Putin hit him.

MasterBlaster is also linked to Russia -->

'On the 1st of December this whale created the Dash RU Marketing proposal and paid for it from inputs that can be traced back to this fleet of masternodes.'

If both MasterBlaster (97 masternodes) and weejohnny (229 masternodes) are linked to Russia, we have a much bigger problem as together they then have 326 masternodes.

You dont have to worry about weejohnny, he seems dead.

Evan is also linked to Russia, he seems to be of Russian origin.

Udjinm6 , the main Dash delevorep, is also Russian and speaks Russian.

Also the Creator or Ethereum (Vitalik) is also Russian.

The Russians dominate in crypto space.

Low Dash price together with low proposal fee (from 5 dash to 1 dash) : i am not surprised that these kind of scam proposals are merging now.

*emerging

Also any proposal with a long time period (25 months / 10 months) should by now raise a red flag.

So your worry is this nice prankster, and ΝΟΤ the stupid MNOs who vote yes/no instead of delete/valid In this proposal/

So your worry is this nice prankster, the proposal owner that the prankster targets who got 3775 DASH ($313,830.00) and he cannot prove whether this investment was worthwhile?

The spam problem can be easily solved if the ugly whore named DCG allows us to vote to the proposals by using tags. That way we could all tag this proposal as "prankster" and everything will be fine.

The spam problem can be easily solved if the ugly whore named DCG allows us to apply filter to the proposals, so that those who detest pranks (I tend to like them in general) could filter the tagged as prank proposals.

Pls refrain from using profanity in your comments.

That is the one thing that could actually get you kicked out of Dash Central by rango (happened before).

I think was kicked out because of FUD.

The FUD was that 3 days before the deadline the masternodes were 50-50 in terms of upgrading . This FUD was not so serious for the dashtalk censors.

The serious FUD is that the network turned from 50-50 to 15-85 in a few minutes.

The censors of Dashtalk didnt want this extreme centralization to be communicated to the masternodes, thats why they banned me from dashtalk.

You were kicked out of the Forum?

Yes , I used to be banned for a couple of days.

Now I think I am not banned anymore, I can see the forum. Also I can post a messsage.

But I suspect I am not allowed to post many messages. My message rate delayed.

No. I am talking about a MNO in the early years of Dash, who was very anti-Dash / anti-DCG and also (like you) used profanity in his comments to both attack Dash and DCG. In the end he was forced by rango to disband his masternodes from Dash Central and his Dash Central account was removed.

The reason for that removal that rango provided to us : due to excessive usage of profanity (something along that line).

I see...thanks for the warning.

LOL at the AI generated proposal description.

it is actually more pathetic that I copy and pasted previous DMH proposals and made very minimal tweaks. This is the quality of the proposals being funded currently.

The critical mistake this impersonator made, is that he published the description of his proposal here in dashcentral.org.

If he had posted his proposal in another url he controls, and especially if that url allowed comments along with the necessary censoring of those are trying to warn, he probably would have fooled even more people.

By the way they do the same in dashtalk.org.
Am I wrong agnewpickens?

Yes this is not a real proposal. It is designed to make MNOs think more before voting. The DMH proposals need more scrutiny. I wanted to see how many people would vote for a proposal that had zero thoughtful work put into it. Sadly, the results were not surprising.

My hope hope going forward is that MNOs will be more discerning and ask what am I getting for this proposal or is it just a bunch of nice words from a name I recognize.

the_dessert_link is a fitting name. He feeds so nicely off the dash MNOs.

Thanks for confirming what I always say.

That the average MNO has very low IQ.

The Masternodes are incapable to govenrn, so the voting rights should be given to all the Dash community members.

The community must think about it a little bit.

Who is the worst?

The one who spend one dash in order to impersonate another community member?

Or the community member that got 3775 DASH ($313,830.00) ( look at https://mnowatch.org/proposalowners/?po=the_desert_lynx ) from the budget for marketing purposes, and despite this huge amount of Dash there are no social media metrics of his campaigs, so that we can judge their effectiveness.

Anyway, all this marketing stuff is bullshit. Only the proof of Personhood stands, so please vote : https://www.dashcentral.org/p/encointerUBI-Range-0-242-Digit3

You still owe us an explanation, how the proof of personhood done by anyone is going to benefit or help Dash.
Somebody proving to just exist won´t help Dash.

Perhaps it should be a proof of usefulness to Dash.
Either proof of investing money in Dash or at least proof of (constantly) using Dash.
People who fail on either are WORTHLESS to our cause, and don´t deserve to be subsidized in any way.

In regard to investing, consider that 10,000 people who invest on average $2,
are much less worth in terms of price performance impact, than a single individual investing $200k.

And with usage of Dash its very similar.
10,000 people who make on average a single Dash transaction per month,
are much less worth in terms of usage they bring to the table, than a 100 people who regularly make 300 Dash transactions per month (10 transactions per day).

I appreciate your idea of basically paying people to use Dash.
But i am not sure whether it could be sustainable and affordable. Our budget is in distress.
First of all, they would not have to be overpaid all of a sudden, but just by slow slow dripping.
And whenever they cease using Dash, the dripping would need to stop all of a sudden.

It would have to be a Faucet-like encouragement, and nothing more .. because: we can't afford anything else.
By throwing money around like insane to people who don´t deserve to receive it, we would just go broke rapidly.

Could you please, before starting your rant, watch the below url?

https://mnowatch.org/votethenumbers/prepnumvote3/encointerinfo.php?

We MAY give a monthly income (depends on a monthly vote and on participation to the vote), to PROVEN INDIVIDUALS of Encointer community that reside in SWITZERLAND (one of the most wealthy places on earth).

And we are going to give them an amount from zero to 242 Dash.

Is the above relevant to your absurd arguments?

Why don´t you explain, what will we get in return for every single Dash we spend on some unknown strangers from rich switzerland?

Probably not even gratefulness, right?

YOU can start an new Encointer Community in YOUR neighborhood.

That way YOU will receive the basic income YOU voted for.

And who the hell is going to pay my basic income? i myself?

Why would we give something for nothing to some privileged/lucky ones,
when it cannot be given to 7 billion people anyway?
If we would gift every freakin Dash that exists, evenly to everyone out there,
then everyone would receive about 0.0015 Dash and the party would be over,
and we could go and fall asleep in our drunkenness, and after waking up sober
the next morning commit suicide

>And who the hell is going to pay my basic income? i myself?

The Basic income will be paid by the Dash budget. It is not you who will pay, and of course the Dash budget does not belong to you.

>Why would we give something for nothing to some privileged/lucky ones, when it cannot be given to 7 billion people anyway?

It can be given to whoever belongs to an Encointer community. Potentially 7 billion people can belong to it, but for now on only the Swiss are smart enough to establish such a community. Its up to you to also start an Encointer community, and get the benefits for you and for your neighbors.

>If we would gift every freakin Dash that exists, evenly to everyone out there, then everyone would receive about 0.0015 Dash and the party would be over.

What are you talking about? Thats why you VOTE for a RANGE from zero to 242 Dash, and an AVERAGE RESULT is extracted, and a final YES/NO proposal WILL be added asking for the decided number. You cannot give evey freakin Dash that way!

Of course more places could be added to the Encointer community if they want to (YES YOU CAN ALSO BOOTSTRAP AN ENCOINTER COMMUNITY), but for now on we are talking ONLY FOR SWITZERLAND.

https://explorer.encointer.org/

PLEASE RTFP (READ THE FUCKING PROPOSAL!!!!!)

"The bread you store belongs to the hungry. The clothes you accumulate belong to the naked. The shoes that you have in your closet are for the barefoot. The money you bury deep into the ground to keep it safe, belongs to the poor. Your cleverness belongs to the stupid. Your strength and your army belongs to the defenceless. You were unfair to as many people as you could have helped and you did not." -- Basil of Caesarea

"In America there is no greater sin than stealing from the rich" quote by me

The rich can easily become poor, in case the stupid who believe in their richness stop believing in it.

If they won it from the lottery or inherited it all, then i guess they could lose it.
You shouldn´t focus too much on money, its just printed paper.
Real wealth is of the mind, and cannot be confiscated or taken away by force.

There has always been, and will always be, the few rich and the many poor.
Because God distributed cleverness extremely unfair among the people.
Material wealth or the lack thereof, is only the consequence of Gods will.

Real wealth needs protection.

The rich can easily become poor, in case the stupid who protect them stop protecting them.

Here are the 7 people who were fooled and voted yes.

https://mnowatch.org/the_results_dashd_2023-07-04-00-52-17.uniqueHashVotes.81.html?3=DASH-MARKETING-HUB-AFFILIATE-BOUNTY

DCGCketiincu is the most notable among them.

https://mnowatch.org/Types/DCGCketiincu.php

Were they fooled? Or are these the proposal owners yes votes?

Among the "yes" voters could also hide the proposal owner, but we have no other clue on that. Have we?

Should at least cluster these yes votes and see if they vote the same.

You can see the patterns here
https://mnowatch.org/the_results_dashd_2023-07-04-00-52-17.uniqueHashVotes.81.html?3=DASH-MARKETING-HUB-AFFILIATE-BOUNTY

We have on person named DCGCketiincu holding 5 masternodes.
A person named BrazHelpElec1 holding 1 masternode
And an uspecified NoType person.

If the proposal owner is among the yes voters, and if I was to bet who is the proposal owner among them, then I would say he is BrazHelpElec1 because he is of 2107 generation (first transact 2017.03.01.11.26.27)

Wow! we have 13 more yes for this proposal!

https://mnowatch.org/leaderboard/analysis/?20230704065002

Is this someone having fun, or another fooled person?

Here you are, the 20 yes votes.
https://mnowatch.org/the_results_dashd_2023-07-04-07-13-46.html?1=DASH-MARKETING-HUB-AFFILIATE-BOUNTY

Look at this report also

https://mnowatch.org/the_results_dashd_2023-07-04-07-13-46.uniqueHashVotes.83.html?3=DASH-MARKETING-HUB-AFFILIATE-BOUNTY

This 13doplhin, although belonging to the 2023 generation, his votes allign perfectly to the votes of BrazHelpElec1 who belongs to 2017 generation!

Generation gap not applied in that case!