Proposal “dash-force-q1-2020“ (Active)Back

Title:DASH FORCE: Q1 2020 - Updated
Owner:DashForce
Monthly amount: 350 DASH (35903 USD)
Completed payments: no payments occurred yet (3 month remaining)
Payment start/end: 2019-12-15 / 2020-03-13 (added on 2019-12-12)
Votes: 849 Yes / 335 No / 12 Abstain
Will be funded: Yes
External information: app.dashnexus.org/proposals/dash-force-q1-2020/overview
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Proposal description

UPDATE

Due to feedback received over the past year we are significantly streamlining our proposal moving forward to double down on what provides the most value to the network while eliminating elements that are of lesser importance and have received significant negative voter feedback. We are updating our monthly burn rate to the new reduced amount, with any surplus funds rolling over to future months and accounted for in our budget breakdown.

First, we will double down on our PR efforts and outreach to media to maximize the effects of both Dash Platform’s Evonet release and recent price movements in order to secure long-term interest in Dash. Previously our opportunities for engagement were limited due to market sentiment and deferring to more explicitly-selected PR teams. Now that we are the only PR entity the network and DFOs directly engage with, we have the opportunity to truly maximize Dash’s exposure ahead of Platform’s mainnet release.

Second, we will focus Dash News content to emphasize quality over quantity, as well as expanding its reach. This will include a combination of reporting relevant Dash news and keeping track of the project’s numerous achievements and innovations, and publishing quality reporting that cryptocurrency fans can’t get anywhere else, drawing new eyes to Dash while avoiding “filler” content. Finally, we will significantly expand and retool YouTube content to grow our following and visibility. We have received significant and often conflicting feedback on this subject and are confident we have found the correct approach to satisfy the most needs possible.

We look forward to continuing to serve the network through thick and thin as we have done for over three years, and welcome any further questions you may have.
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DASH FORCE MISSION STATEMENT



Dash Force is the premier media and outreach group working for the Dash DAO. We work to inform the Dash community and the greater public and cryptocurrency community, as well as support Dash’s user base and ecosystem. Our areas of focus include:

News - We run Dash News, the #1 Dash news source, publishing over a dozen articles weekly, which are translated into six additional languages, two of which on dedicated sites. Our content has led to several article placements in other publications as the greater cryptoverse sees us as an authoritative news source on Dash.

Videos - We run the #1 weekly Dash podcast providing invaluable updates to the greater community, conduct video interviews with key figures from the greater cryptocurrency community to bridge the gap between projects and bring new fans to Dash, produce a popular video news recap and weekly videos of purchases at Dash-accepting merchants around the world.

Discover Dash - We created and maintain the world's largest, best, and most complete listing of cryptocurrency-accepting businesses, which now powers a popular mobile app version created by Really Bad Apps.

PR - We work with the Core team and various projects in the Dash ecosystem to craft press releases and newswires, build relationships with journalists, provide crisis management and obtain article placements in many top-tier publications inside and outside the cryptocurrency world.

Public Outreach - We have represented Dash publicly by speaking at dozens of conferences around the world, and by appearing on dozens more shows and podcasts, and have been quoted numerous times in various publications.

Business Development - We initiate and negotiate integration of Dash into businesses and services directly, including handling integration PR, and collaborate with the various business development projects in the ecosystem, including the Core team, for integrations beyond our scope.

Meetups and Moderation - We fund the organization of Dash meetups around the world, and maintain quality moderation on various Dash forums.



Current Dash Force Operations:

Dash News publishes 1 or more new articles everyday covering the Dash community. There has yet to be a day when something notable was not going on. Fortunately we have a lot of good news to cover. Dash News is also translating articles into 6+ other languages. English, Spanish, French, Russian, German, Portuguese, Korean.
Dash News en Español with Isabel!
Dash News Webmaster Report



Discover Dash currently has 4000+ Dash accepting Merchants.
In an effort to provide the Dash community with the necessary resources to reach mass adoption as quickly as possible we started DiscoverDash.com, a merchant listing and adoption website. This will give new users and businesses all the resources they need to start using Dash, and provide a powerful visual statement of how strong and diverse the Dash economy has become.
The site is actively maintained and strives to be “the” site for Dash business listings. Plans are to continue to grow this and provide easy to use guides for merchant adoption, meetups and more. Live chat has recently been added and 24hr. Live chat support will be available soon. A copy of the Discover Dash database will be shared with the DIF every 3 months.
Dash Core Group, Kriptomobile, Discover Dash Partnership announced!
Discover Dash and Really Bad Apps Launch Global Dash Merchant Directory Mobile App
Isabel Reviews Discover Dash Merchant Directory Mobile App





Dash News YouTube channel currently has 4300+ subscribers and 380,000+ views with 3 or more weekly videos and a new video series coming soon!
The Dash News Podcast is done live and features Mark and Joel of Dash Force. This is an easy going discussion of the weeks topics with special guests and questions from the live chat.
The Dash News Podcast is now broadcasted on The Liberty Radio Network and is also available to listen to on the following platforms: ItunesTuneinStitcherGoogle PlayOvercastPodbean.
There are interviews with Dash related guests like Bitcoin Jesus - Roger Ver along with Evan Duffield, Dash Core Group CEO Ryan Taylor, DCG CTO Bob Carroll and many more.



Dash Force Meetup and Presentation Program
Meetup Programs in Mexico, South Africa, Haiti, Germany, Russia, England, the US and many more. Around 10,000 wallets have been set up during these meetup classes with potentially hundreds of thousands being exposed to Dash through the larger presentations and festival events.
The November 2018 Dash Force meetup program holds the monthly record with almost 1000 Dash wallets setup!
A new streamlined meetup structure has recently been implemented to increase engagement in LATAM and elsewhere. Cross promotion marketing is planned once the Dash price rises and stabilizes.



Swarms
Active engagement on DiscordRedditTwitterBitcointalkYouTube, Facebook, Telegram and other social media Platforms. Everyday tasks include, article sharing across multiple Social Media Platforms, upvoting/downvoting positive/negative post and countering misinformation.


Dash Force PR
Dash Force has responded to the growing demand for Dash to increase its media presence to reach external media outlets far beyond Dash News and end Dash’s conspicuous media blackout. In our first foray we have managed to get Dash’s incredible success story in Venezuela covered by over 75 publications, including Bitcoin Magazine and the ever-elusive Coindesk. Our goal is to ensure that Dash’s various and continuing achievements receive top-level coverage in all major crypto media outlets, as well as beyond the crypto world.

Dash Force is additionally performing an expanded PR and media outreach role including unprecedented coordination with Dash Core Group addressing negative press as well as crafting a media strategy to improve Dash's visibility for Dash Platform and global adoption. We continue our efforts to help highlight Dash's current competitive advantages over other competing projects in areas such as remittances, exchange arbitrage and cannabis payments.
Joël Valenzuela Media Appearances 2019


Mark Mason Blockchain speech at UK Houses of Parliament for Bahrain Opportunities Forum 2018




Joël Valenzuela on using Dash for everyday purchases - CNN International




September Budget Allocation:
219.78 + 284.613‬ Rollover = 504.393

Dash Force Team Salaries (2 full-time and 15+ part-time) - 300.15
Dash Force Meetup Program - 4.5
Total = 304.65



October Budget Allocation:
219.78 + 199.743 Rollover = 419.523

Dash Force Team Salaries (2 full-time and 15+ part-time) - 345.51
Dash Force Meetup Program - 2
Total = 347.51



November Budget Allocation:
219.78 + 72 Rollover = 291.78

Dash Force Team Salaries (2 full-time and 14+ part-time) - 272.8
Tips - 1.4
Dash Force Meetup Program - 2.76
Total = 276.96



December Budget Allocation:
219.78 + 14.82 Rollover = 234.6

Dash Force Team Salaries (2 full-time and 14+ part-time) - 213.53
Ongoing....



DashWatch Interview with Mark Mason, Director of Media and PR, Dash Force





Dash Force Core Team:
Brian FreeMan @mastermined - Treasurer, Strategic Adviser and Creative Director of Dash Force, Founder of DashNews.org - Part time
Mark Mason @MarkMason - Dash Force Webmaster, Media Relations and Director of International Outreach, Biz Dev - Full time
Joel Valenzuela @thedesertlynx - Chief Editor and Writer for Dash News, Dash Force Community Ambassador, Biz Dev - Full time


8+ part-time roles:

Isabel - Dash News Venezuela Merchant Reviewer, Dash News en Español
PAX - Dash News Podcast Engineer
Wilmar Toro - Dash News Spanish translator and Community Outreach
Yujin - Dash News Korea translator and Outreach
Roxane - DN French Translator and Outreach
Fabio - DN German Translator and Outreach
Dmitrii Zhludin - DN Russian Translator and Outreach
Rígille - DN Portuguese Translator and Outreach


Thanks again to all the masternode owners who continue to vote for us!
If you have any questions, comments or suggestions please post them below.


Current Monthly Burn Rate = $13,000 (Down from $26,000+ last cycle)
Requested funding for the January- March budget cycle:
Total: 349.52 Dash Per Month

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Discussion: Should we fund this proposal?

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4 points,1 day ago
Glad to see this proposal back in the green where it belongs. And be vigilant, right up to the wire. Let's not let it get shouted down at the last minute.

solarguy
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3 points,3 days ago
Seems you will be approved. Congrats!
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6 points,3 days ago
Updated

Please review the proposal for all changes.
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7 points,4 days ago
Due to feedback received over the past year we are significantly streamlining our proposal moving forward to double down on what provides the most value to the network while eliminating elements that are of lesser importance and have received significant negative voter feedback. We are updating our monthly burn rate to the new reduced amount, with any surplus funds rolling over to future months and accounted for in our budget breakdown.

First, we will double down on our PR efforts and outreach to media to maximize the effects of both Dash Platform’s Evonet release and recent price movements in order to secure long-term interest in Dash. Previously our opportunities for engagement were limited due to market sentiment and deferring to more explicitly-selected PR teams. Now that we are the only PR entity the network and DFOs directly engage with, we have the opportunity to truly maximize Dash’s exposure ahead of Platform’s mainnet release.Second, we will focus Dash News content to emphasize quality over quantity, as well as expanding its reach. This will include a combination of reporting relevant Dash news and keeping track of the project’s numerous achievements and innovations, and publishing quality reporting that cryptocurrency fans can’t get anywhere else, drawing new eyes to Dash while avoiding “filler” content. Finally, we will significantly expand and retool YouTube content to grow our following and visibility. We have received significant and often conflicting feedback on this subject and are confident we have found the correct approach to satisfy the most needs possible.

We look forward to continuing to serve the network through thick and thin as we have done for over three years, and welcome any further questions you may have.
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-4 points,3 days ago
You forgot to mention DashForce's role in keeping our excellent DashTalk Discord up and running. I think we should take note of their significant contribution:

MasterMined -- DashTalk Owner, DashTalk Moderator, DashForce Member.
Mark Mason -- DashTalk Moderator, DashForce Member.
TheDesertLynx -- DashTalk Moderator, DashForce Member.
Albert Arellanes -- DashTalk Moderator, DashForce Member.
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5 points,3 days ago
This proposal is, and always has been, completely unrelated to the management of any Discord or other social platform. In the past we have compensated various moderators of all public Dash forums, however this is no longer the case. Thanks, and please remember to keep all questions relevant to the proposal.
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1 point,6 hours ago
That is a lie. DashTalk was built by the DashForce team on the DAO's dime. It is run by DashForce and functions as a kind of neighborhood mafia -- rewarding supporters and punishing critics of DashForce's agenda.

Mastermined is the "capo di capo," and MM and TDL are the capos. Then you have people like macrochip, who are there to break people's knees if they say the wrong thing. Fabio and Kanuuk function as "lookouts," who alert the mods if someone gets out of line.

I am in the process of testing the waters to create a new MNO-only Discord that is unmoderated. Frankly, as long as they abide by the Discord TOS, I don't think MNOs need to be moderated or should be moderated.
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1 point,3 days ago
Would you please explain who owns the various IP you control? Is DashForce incorporated in any way? Thank you.
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0 points,7 hours ago
Beuller?
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1 point,3 days ago
DF used to pay me when I modded DND, long before Dash Talk was formed, your issue regarding Moderation seems to be a personal one. Now I am no longer even on their staff and I continue to do my Mod duties with no compensation (outside of tips & donations), stop making this about Dash Talk.
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7 points,4 days ago
Dash Force as a group is working their butts off. Plenty of good value for the money. Last month's failure to pass was (in my opinion) a small group of detractors who took advantage of the low MN participation around the holidays. Ok, that was a clever trick, but it's not going to happen this time or ever again.

Yes for me!
solarguy
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-9 points,4 days ago
So despite the fact DFN has not addressed their lack of engagement with the broader crypto community at all, or really engaged in any type of good faith discussion we are going to throw more money at them?
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6 points,7 days ago
I really like your work. Hope you get funded next cycle.
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-4 points,5 days ago
The fact is this: DashForce must get bigger and shoulder more marketing responsibility, or it must get smaller and become an unpaid, volunteer effort. We cannot afford to continue to pay for small benefit the DAO receives in services from this organization. DashForce is a "nice-to-have" in relation to other initiatives we are funding.

IMHO, we no longer need a treasury-funded propaganda arm that has little effect on the world outside of the Dash community.
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-8 points,5 days ago
I am a supporter of DashForce, but I cannot upvote this proposal unless and until DashForce agrees to divest themselves of the Dash Talk Discord to a DAO-controlled entity.

TDL claims that Dash Talk is a "privately-run volunteer project," but it is owned by a DashForce founder, and the main mod is a DashForce founder. It functions as an arm of DashForce, to the detriment of the larger Dash community.

The Discord rules are Kafkaesque. Once you get a warning, it never expires. This particular rule I had to discover by PMing a mod, because it is not posted anywhere. No information regarding how you might get banned is posted anywhere. Lastly, moderation is selectively applied, and never to DF members, no matter how obnoxious they might be.

My hope is that the DAO can one day have a single, non-partisan Discord.
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7 points,5 days ago
Dash Talk is not owned by anybody and you know that from our discussions, you mention that the keys are held by a DF member, but fail to mention that he is also a DIF supervisor, Mark Mason is only holding the keys because Discord won't offer us multi-sig, the mods can always vote for a transfer of keys. Dash Talk is not, nor will it ever be solely a Dash Force chat, quit fudding DF with this Dash Talk nonsense.
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6 points,5 days ago
And our official rules violation policy, which was drafted by pasta, a DCG member, received a unanimous vote of approval and is live in our rules&schedule channel, please don't say you are going to vote down G now because a DCG member drafted the policy.
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3 points,5 days ago
This is exactly how a volunteer consensus model works for drafting our chat policy, I am currently volunteer staff as well.
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1 point,5 days ago
Dang keyboard, time for a new one.
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-6 points,5 days ago
You asked pasta, a core developer, to interrupt his important work to draft your violation policy. You couldn't figure that out yourselves. You needed a software engineer. SMH.
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5 points,5 days ago
Pasta volunteered, mate, nobody asked him to do squat.
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-3 points,5 days ago
Is there a list of the "fifteen plus" part-timers available?
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2 points,5 days ago
I was drafting a policy too, the consensus preferred pasta's draft.
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-10 points,7 days ago
Can you answer a few questions please.

-Why is there no engagement on the dash news channnels? Hardly 200 views a day on youtube and 50 subscribers added a month. Little engagement on reddit as well. These are miserable numbers for even spending $500 a month let alone $20,000. Looks like no one reads your content outside your own discord.

-Discover Dash is full of errors. Why hasnt any effort been made to fix this? You cannot ask others to take responsibly when you are charging the DAO for it.

-Why are people like kanuuker being allowed to abuse other communities, make threats of violence, and abuse women on twitter? This is disgusting behaviour and should such toxic people on the dash payroll. Period.

-Whats with the forked glasses and the childish staydashy talk? Is this the way to promote a serious financial product? How will your reporting improve in quality?

$20,000 is a lot of money and you should justify why this money should be paid instead of just silently hoping for it to pass or deflect attention from your performance with talk about Kuva Cash, Drako, Julio or George.
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5 points,5 days ago
troll
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-6 points,4 days ago
If he's a troll then answer the questions. I don't know or care if he/she is acting in good faith.

The first two points are undeniably important points that need to be addressed.
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7 points,9 days ago
I'm am certain tha this proposal will be funded the next time it comes up. DF news service was a great dash community resource and sorely missed. I and many other small mn holders were caught off guard this last give around. I will be far more vigilant in the future to be sure.
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-5 points,8 days ago
I would like to see DashForce transfer ownership of the DashTalk Discord to a DAO controlled entity (preferably the DIF).

DashTalk needs to be in the hands of impartial, hired guns and not partisan hacks. It's a mess right now IMHO. We need a discord that is not an embarrassment. TAO failed. DF failed. We need a new direction.
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6 points,8 days ago
Dash Force does not own or control the Dash Talk Discord and it is not funded by this proposal.
The Dash Talk discord is a free decentralized community run Discord that consist of volunteer members of the Dash Core team, Dash Force as well as independent community members.
Please start your own Discord if you think you can do better.
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-5 points,8 days ago
Correction.

I would like Mark Mason to transfer ownership of the DashTalk Discord to a DAO controlled entity (preferably the DIF). The DIF can pay him some agreed upon amount.

The management and mods need to be replaced. They are an embarrassment to the DAO. It's Tao 2.0. Please. This is important.
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4 points,11 days ago
I see that scammers like Drako and Julio are alive and well on here. Shame that the DAO can not sue these individuals for defrauding the DAO system. Shame indeed.
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-1 point,10 days ago
There ate 336 no votes. Please just accept the fact that there are a significant number of MNOs who disagree with the value of some of these proposals instead of blaming everything on Drako and Julio and George. The D in DAO stands for Decentralized. MNOs aren't all the same, but they do all get the right to vote. If the DAO could sue those people and actually get money then that would be great. But it's got nothing to do with this proposal and you bringing it up is an attempt to distract from the real discussion.
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8 points,13 days ago
I hope you guys get funded again soon, your service is instrumental in my eyes.
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8 points,13 days ago
Hi Fellow MNO operators. Just a shout out to ask that we look to support support teams like Dash Force in the future. I have personally found having a community news source beneficial and informative as a DASH investor. Certainly there can be improvements and we should be constantly be evolving to meet that challenge. As one of the longest DASH community members here...I support this type of news format and will be voting to support this team into the future.
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-4 points,12 days ago
DIF, TRUST or GTFO.
The Dash DAO should own the content it pays for. I'm not voting for Dash Force until they swallow their pride and do the right thing like DCG did, instead of holding MNOs by the balls, making it near impossible to quickly replace the team without losing all our content and branding if we ever needed it. Not responding to a single criticism on the platform designed for that purpose. 326 no votes and even still they are thumbing their nose at us.
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7 points,11 days ago
Last time I talk to Mark we agreed to give the DIF a copy of the Discover Dash database. I also suggested giving them an update every 3 months.

As far as the Dash News website, that can only be controlled by one person. They/or anyone is free to copy all the content and save it though.
I personally would not advocate for giving anyone access to that besides the proposal team who is tasked with maintaining it. If said proposal is not funded for 3 months or more then I would say turn it over to them temporarily so they can pay the bills and preserve it until another solution is reached.

One issue could be if the DIF had sole backend control and there was a investigative story about them or one of their members they did not like or a story in general they did not like they could revoke access and kill or edit the story. Therefore it should remain independent and neutral with the proposal owners in control.
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-6 points,11 days ago
Oh, a response! I'm flattered. Thank you for at least making some effort to communicate.
Giving the DIF a copy of the Discover Dash database would be a prudent step, that would be much appreciated.
Regarding the Dash News website, you raise a valid point about what happens if there is a story that the DIF does not like. Dash News should be able to post whatever news stories it likes as an independent project as long as it remains funded by the masternodes. My primary concern though is that the Dash News content cannot be held hostage, and cannot be lost in the event that the current Dash Force team is defunded. Therefore, I propose for the DIF to be formally granted the rights to the Dash Force News domain, database, Youtube channel, other official social media accounts...etc on the condition that the Dash Force proposal is defunded for a specified period of time. There are a number of details that would need to be worked out, but this would grant the DAO the security that it deserves in terms of not losing all the existing content in the event that we need to replace the DF team. It would also make for a legitimately positive news story about the resiliency of the DAO and how we've come up with clever solutions for how the DAO ultimately has control of the projects it funds.
I have a number of other criticisms about Dash Force, and I hope you are open to addressing the other things that have been brought up here. But to me this is the most important thing for the DAO to own its own projects, and I would reconsider my opposition to this proposal if you make this a reality.
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-6 points,11 days ago
Now that you seem to be responding to people's concerns about your proposals could you comment on why Discover Dash is filled with bad data and what you are doing to fix it?


I would also like some clarification on your Twitter, YouTube, and Reddit analytics. From the public facing data I can it seems these all are ignored by people outside of the Dash community.

Do you have evidence that we are not aware that paints a different picture?
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7 points,11 days ago
It's not filled with bad data, stop trolling. Discover Dash is the most accurate crypto map of all the crypto maps. None of the others even come close. Day to day inaccuracies are just the reality of how these things work, not just in our industry but across the board.

We remove bad listing as soon as they are reported and investigated. It is up to the community to check these things in their area and report them.
We don't have time to constantly check every location every day as that is impossible and we've been forced to cut back staff hours to reduce proposal cost, which have almost been cut in half. If you think you can do better then put in a proposal.

Please help out and start contacting these places and report them. If all the people who sit around and complain all day did that there would be nothing to complain about.
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-7 points,9 days ago
DashUnicorn seems to be holding you accountable for the Discover Dash aspect to this so I will stick with my main gripe with you guys.

You are still refusing to acknowledge that your YouTube, reddit and Twitter presences do not extend past the dash community.

If you aren't even going to acknowledge the problem how can we do anything about it?
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0 points,9 days ago
My point was different from yours. I do NOT think that DashForce should be responsible for vetting all of the DiscoverDash entries. No one has time for that. If we focused on actually getting real usage then businesses would eventually get rated or reported accordingly by actual users instead of by people sitting behind keyboards. My only issue is reporting/hyping the number of entries, which can mislead people. Just because other coin maps might have even less accurate entries is not a good excuse in my opinion. Stick to reporting on data that is verified and not as easy to manipulate. This issue does not affect my vote significantly; I just think it is something that Dash Force News could improve.
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-2 points,7 days ago
Thanks for the clarification. That's a fair opinion to have but I don't share it.

If you are going to take credit for maintaining a database then you need to maintain the data within it to a certain standard of accuracy.

As you have pointed out a single motivated masternode was able to verify the validity of over 600 entries without any funding. Now imagine if Dashforce used the money we paid them for the good of Dash instead of just using it all on "salaries" for people who don't seem to be doing anything particularly useful.

But regardless this is a small gripe for me too in the grander scheme they are running.
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-1 point,10 days ago
Dash Force shouldn't be required to verify every user-submitted entry. It becomes a problem though when you start creating news articles bragging about the number of DiscoverDash entries without mentioning the inconvenient fact that independent research has shown half or more of the entries as being unverifiable/unreachable. Maybe it's better than other crypto maps, I don't know. But don't create talking points based on misleading numbers. I could create a script to automatically submit 100 bogus entries to DiscoverDash every day, just like I could create a script to generate 10000 more dash blockchain transactions per day. Your writers should stick to meaningful statistics, not ones that are unverified or easily manipulated.
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3 points,10 days ago
"fact that independent research has shown half or more of the entries as being unverifiable/unreachable"

FUD not fact.
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-2 points,10 days ago
http://fot.database-expert.com/Survey_of_Dash-Accepting_Businesses_in_Caracas_Venezuela.pdf
http://fot.database-expert.com/Response_23-MAR-2019.pdf

These reports were prepared by a very well established and generally respected member of the Dash community who generously sponsored this research himself, so no there is blaming this on your favorite monero trolls. Well, maybe he is not as respected anymore because some people didn't like his findings.

Mastermined: "Please help out and start contacting these places and report them. If all the people who sit around and complain all day did that there would be nothing to complain about."
(Someone actually contacts 300 merchants and publishes their findings)
DashForce: "FUD not fact"
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7 points,10 days ago
"fact that independent research has shown half or more of the entries as being unverifiable/unreachable"

FUD not fact.
300 is not half of 4000, stop trolling and spreading FUD.

Also, a majority of that report was debunked. It was a inaccurate report produced by George Donnelly affiliates during a turf war between multiple competing LATAM proposal groups.
One of the groups even went and recorded several videos of places taking Dash that were claimed in the report not to take Dash.
We immediate investigated and removed the handful of entries that were accurately reported and no longer in business etc.

"Well, maybe he is not as respected anymore because some people didn't like his findings."
It was not that the MNO's did not like his effort but just the underhanded way he went about posting them to try and cause damage to competing LATAM proposals, that and all the inaccuracies. He could have just reported them to us and we would have taken care of them like we always do. But that would have ruined his propaganda stunt to take over LATAM and get funding to start his own crypto map service.

And you wonder why people did not want to stop working last month and waste time responding to you.

Please help out and start contacting these places and report them. If all the people who sit around and complain all day did that there would be nothing to complain about.
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-6 points,10 days ago
Do you know how research works? In what world are you living in where it makes logical sense to say "You said 80% of people in the USA disapprove of Congress? That's FUD, you only asked 10,000 people and 8,000 of them disapproved. 8,000 is not 80% of 300,000,000!"

I do not care about your drama politics in Dash with LATAM or whatever. Don't care about the "way he went about posting". Validating the DiscoverDash entries is a separate matter entirely anyway. What I suggested was to not keep publishing articles bragging about the number of DiscoverDash entries as if they are all or mostly valid, when the only research we have indicates otherwise. It feeds ammo to Dash's trolls when we post misleading figures coming out of our own official news organization.
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-7 points,11 days ago
Defunding Dash Force feels like a huge burden off the Dash Price.

Years of constant Dash Force abuse, insults, labelling every criticism "Kuvascam" and peddling extreme political beliefs had made dash unpopular among rational investors.

The "staydashy" forked glasses and other childish behaviour from the team was a juvenile way of doing things and made everyone look stupid.

While some of their community are desperately trying to get this project refunded, Dash Force continue to abuse others and sink our reputation. Here is some more kannuuker gold -

-Due to a social attack and some very shortsighted and ignorant MNO's, Dash Force was not funded this month - Kanuuker claims that no voters are short sighted and ignorant.

- Sad to see @Cointelegraph lowering themselves to the level of @coindesk as an establishment gatekeeper - Kanuuker being diplomatic.

- So much bullshit here that it's hilarious. This is what a toxic echo chamber of inbred neck beards looks like. Kanuuker on bch.

Refunding them will only restart this cycle of abuse, extreme political ideas and make investors flee.. Plus, $20,000 a month for low end articles and staydashy immaturity - Really?
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-12 points,18 days ago
Since the Dash Governance system has funded Dashnews till now, it should take ownership of all the content, domains etc to avoid the Ben Swann Situation.

Will the DIF step forward and initiate the process of taking charge of all Dash Force Related IPR to ensure community ownership ?
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-2 points,17 days ago
What would you have them do? They can't seize DF's property. The only thing they can do is say here's our number, call us if you want to do the right thing. My bet is that DF will just ignore the requests to transfer assets because they think they can get away with not doing a single thing differently next month. But one can always hope.
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7 points,21 days ago
As the main discussion site and forum for budget proposals, this site needs to be moderated in the future. Who is the admin for this forum?
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7 points,21 days ago
At the very least only people with masternodes should be able to comment. It seems some of the biggest commenters have no masternodes and have been whitelisted for whatever reason
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6 points,20 days ago
Very true.. it's usually those with the least at stake (financially) that are the most vocal in this community. Sad but true. The real money votes with it's feet.. but that's another discussion...

Walter
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6 points,13 days ago
I think we need to have all of us MNO's need to ask that nonMNO posters on here like ValenciaDASH are not a platform to communicate on. It is now our duty to make sure teams like DASH Force do not get defunded and that these parasites like this Valencia( Drako/Julio) types are shut down. I did not vote the last cycle as I was burned out from all the shit the last couple of months, and I feel partially responsible. That will not happen again. I will vote with my mns against these trolls. I am hoping we can rally all the MNO's to step up and take their responsibility seriously...I learned my lesson.
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4 points,21 days ago
The sad fact is that I got fired as an altcoins corner writer for Dash News after Mastremined hired me in early 2018. I got sacked. MNO voters asked for Dash News to focus on Dash and now they are making it a big issue.
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-1 point,19 days ago
Masternodes are not a monolith.
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-4 points,20 days ago
Kanuuker, Dash Force Employee, Threatening violence on Twitter.

Kanuuker : The latest trash from @bitcoinist is beyond words. It's completely devoid of facts and full of outright lies. Complete and utter garbage. Your shit organization needs to burn to the ground.

Amanda B. Johnson : Chris, knock it off. It's one thing to express displeasure. It's another thing to talk violence. Seriously. Knock it off.

This is how Dash Force is Conducting Public Outreach with sensible old timers being forced to reprimand them in public. Shame..
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8 points,23 days ago
I see all the usual Dash Force haters smell blood with the down market and overall unhappiness with Dash, and are taking full advantage here.

Even Tao came in to feed the trolls in typical passive aggressive fashion.

Appreciate DeepBlue who always is trying adding value to the network, whether people agree with him/her or not.

I think it'd be more prudent to find an actual replacement for DF before defunding them IF that's what MNOs want (which it appears they don't). Social media, PR, marketing, etc. is a large part of this proposal and we're thinking of defunding DF before the Platform testnet launch. We need all the help we can get.
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-1 point,23 days ago
My presence here was only because of my name being brought into the conversation in a negative way by some other participants. I was happy to not get involved, but I can’t allow misinformation to be posted unchallenged. Looks like they passed, though, so business as usual, right? No harm done.
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-8 points,23 days ago
Hopefully we will be able to switch enough votes at the last minute.
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4 points,22 days ago
^^^ This george donnelly, now trolling the DAO.
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-4 points,22 days ago
All I see the supporters of Dash force doing is making character attacks at the people who post criticism.

I have made several long posts raising many issues none of which have been addressed.

Even now all you are doing is shit talking. Why don't you try rebutting the legitimate points that were brought to to justify your support of Dash Force instead?

(if you don't know what points I'm talking about look at my post that is a few down from here, made 14 hours previous to this comment)
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3 points,22 days ago
Now who's doing the shit talking? Your views are diminished as Kuvacash supporter, you are marred as bad voter and your performance in the Trust Protectors beauty pageant shows your standing in the community.
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-3 points,22 days ago
... Still you my man.

You are still attacking me instead of my positions.
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-10 points,23 days ago
Usual dash force haters = Anyone outside of the toxic dash talk discord.

Cedbrown - Typical cult member speak.
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-9 points,21 days ago
See what the rest of the dash community thinks of Dash Force News Here. No one has one good thing to say about them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/egl6eu/dash_force_news_defunded_by_masternodes/

Bonus : Some more Kanuuker Gold (Paid Dash Force Employee)

- And my "income stream" was miniscule. It was nothing but a simple recognition for the work I do for dash. You're talking out your ass. kanuuker being classy.

- The podcasts aren't intended for outside consumption. Their target audience was for the Dash faithful, that's all. - Kanuuker telling the truth for a change.

Lol, have you seen tao on video? It's pure cringe - Kanuuker being inclusive

You're the one who's delusional if you think they haven't had any results.(Paid employee without revealing conflict of interest)

This is a small list of filthy comments from just one thread. These are the people being paid from this proposal.
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-2 points,20 days ago
Not to mention the incessant character attacks and false narratives he's continuing to spin about me... which was my only reason for commenting here in the first place. This guy needs no facts to back up his claims in his narrow world. I truly hope no one falls for his attempts at bamboozlement. If I was Dash Force I would set him loose. He's worse than Julio for dealing with people.
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-4 points,20 days ago
Do you think Dash Force is unaware of this? They let this go on every single day on Discord and wherever else.
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-3 points,22 days ago
I hope DF realizes that they need to interact here on DC. Even DCG interacts here and answers harsh questions. Coming out here only briefly to make a comment about Tao or about "the regulars" voting no while not responding to a single substantive comment is exactly the kind of Dash Force snobbery and entitlement we could do without. No I am not going to come to your Discord where you control the narrative. You need to come here like every other proposal owner.
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-4 points,22 days ago
No luck. They are still calling everyone names.
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-4 points,22 days ago
Dash Force nation responses to valid accusations of poor journalism and abusive behaviour

- Tao is a parasite and dash nation is a shithole.
- You are a kuva cash supporter
-You are george donnelly
-What have you done, HUH?
-"We rule, bro"

This abusive organisation needs to be kept defunded. They can run their cult with their own money, not funds from the treasury.
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-7 points,22 days ago
If you want to see Dash Force in action and have a big laugh, go to this twitter account --> https://twitter.com/kanuuker

This man, chris webb has been non-stop abusing others coins and women in particular for no reason. Check out his tweets.

"Christine Vasileva you're a embarrassment and a disgrace to journalists everywhere. You should never be able to work in this industry again.
@bitcoinist"

"LOL, blocked by yet another idiot whose fragile ego can't handle being wrong. Every statement he made was false and he calls me the dumbass. #okbitcoiner"

He is a paid dash force member and keeps damaging Dash's reputation every time he types. He has been claiming that DFN is the only one working for dash, without mentioning that he is in fact a paid employee.

These are the kind of immature people being supported by this proposal and making a fool of all of us.
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4 points,19 days ago
how would Jorge from Dash Valencia Spain know this info^? (https://www.dashcentral.org/p/DashImpulseVenezuela see comments that ValenciaDash is Jorge from Dash Valencia Spain)
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7 points,20 days ago
Nobody has any problem with Chris Webb, i have voted for him and will vote for him again in future.
YOU ARE THE PROBLEM TRYING TO DAMAGE DASH WITH YOUR BULLSHIT BY TRYING TO DIVIDE THE COMMUNITY.
I bet this shittalker isn't holding a freakin SINGLE DASH TOKEN. Probably holds a bag of XMR.
But constantly shouting around his spam.

You have no Dash? F***ING KEEP SILENT IN HERE!
We need to silence EVERYONE in here without a node or longstanding reputation.

Time to work out a new, more robust procedure for whitelisting other users.
---> Whitelisting a user MUST REQUIRE at least 3 other nodes to VOUCH for such a user.
And PUBLICLY here showing which USERNAMES have VOUCHED for such a whitelisted user.
Then at least we know who allows them their voice, which is something we absolutely need to know.

Loudest voices in here not holding a single coin is an UTTER CRAP that needs to be stopped ASAP.
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-2 points,12 days ago
I have a problem with him. He comes off as unhinged in many of his posts and Id prefer if the Dash DAO wasn't encouraging him by giving him money.
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-5 points,19 days ago
Are you saying that it is okay for Kanuuker to threaten violence and abuse women on our behalf?
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-3 points,20 days ago
There are over 300 NO votes on this proposal. Not a single coin my ass. Instead of calling for censorship you need to just come to terms with that YES THERE ARE A LOT OF MASTERNODES WHO DONT AGREE WITH YOU. Stop perpetuating this nonsense about if you don't have the majority opinion then you're trying to divide the community.
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3 points,20 days ago
I have no problem with anyone of the 322 No voting nodes to post whatever they want.
But i do have a problem with George who left Dash for Bcash (thank god!) and is now trolling DashCentral.
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3 points,18 days ago
I don't think it's George.
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1 point,19 days ago
Sure, except it probably isn't George
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3 points,21 days ago
People on Dash Talk are not censored, the views of any individual are theirs and theirs alone, Kanuuker is just one member of the team and has every reason to be upset with the result. As for me, I had been getting paid to Moderate Dash Talk and the Dash Forum, with posted hours, my part time salary was much less than minimum wage for the hours I put in.
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6 points,22 days ago
This is rich coming from someone who scammed the treasury and whose behavior is putting Julio Dash to shame. You're the one who needs to grow up.
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-2 points,22 days ago
"Intellectual" conversation from Kanuuker, Dash Force Employee, Just in the last few hours on Dash Force Discord.

To a detractor : Why don't you go join the ripple community, @Matthijs . You'd fit right in.

There are no words to describe how ignorant and stupid you are.

On criticism that Dash Force Videos get 200 Views : OMG, that's like the smallest part of what they do you fucking tool.

On a detractor The problem is that the community has been infected with cancer like @Matthijs

I'm just fucking sick and tired of assholes who can't contribute anyting positive shitting all over the hard work of others and then patting themselves on the back like they accomplished something. Fucking cancer.

This is the quality and intelligence level of people being supported by this proposal and making a fool out of dash.
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5 points,21 days ago
Why aren't you posting any of the very many insults that were hurled at me, George? Is it because you're simply being petty and trying to inflict harm on Dash? Your personal vendetta is transparent. Just do everyone a favor and leave Dash. You'll never be welcome here again and all you're doing is hurting your own reputation even more than you already have.
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5 points,21 days ago
Shouldn't be trying to scam the BCH crowd now, George? Why are you still hanging around Dash if it's such a terrible project?
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3 points,21 days ago
probably because it isn't even Donnelly.
https://twitter.com/georgedonnelly/status/1210915075659325440

His posts don't even fit with Donnelly if you think about it for two seconds but you're just eating it up. Does it make you feel better about your position if you can use him as a Donnelly punching bag?
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-1 point,21 days ago
Kanuuker keeps digging himself into a bigger hole by repeating rehearsed lines. His comments are for all to see.
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2 points,21 days ago
It's too bad no one got video of your abusive behavior toward your staff, shop owners, and other teams. The fact that the normally reserved Ryan Taylor publicly expressed anger toward you should give everyone all the info they need about how toxic you were toward Dash.
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7 points,24 days ago
Yes from me.
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-4 points,22 days ago
I sincerely hope this defunding is only for a month, with this team more open to supporting the entire community, and not only their own interests. Listen to the legitimate criticisms, adapt accordingly and gain the trust of the community again. We are all Dash Nation, we need to support each other, not just one way.

There is a Cash Alternative TV, there is a Dash Nation Discord, both help to promote Dash as well. Please include them in your future communications, as I promote you in my channels. Thanks.

Good luck to you, and Dash as a whole in the future.
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4 points,22 days ago
I also hope that this de-funding does not extend more than one month. Having this channel of information is valuable.
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-5 points,23 days ago
Dash Force Mafia defunded. A huge victory for the community who stood up against abuse, childish behaviour and poor quality journalism.
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4 points,22 days ago
Name 1 significant thing you've done for the dash community (sorry, trolling doesn't count)
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-4 points,22 days ago
I see you pulled that one right out of the playbook.
(Doesn't want to address the issues) "Well...what have YOU done for Dash, HUH???"
Apparently you need to have a dashy resume otherwise your opinion is invalid.
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-5 points,23 days ago
Dear MNOs

It should be common knowledge that any marketing spend during a bear market is a waste of resources.
No one advertises their worst performing stock, and no one buys a stock that is consistently dropping month after month.

I believe we shouldn’t be funding Dash Force, they are an ‘independent’ media outlet, they still own all their own assets and ignore requests when asked regarding the possibility to hand over such assets to the community (nothing is owned by the DIF). They should use their assets to generate their own income via advertising and biz partnerships, similar to what TAO is doing with the ads running on his YouTube.

Dash didn’t need them on $26k a month, and we don’t need them on $17k a month.

Their areas of focus are all ineffectual, as has been shown in the last few years with our simplest feedback loop (the Dash price). There has been zero mainstream adoption as a result of their efforts.

They created Dash News articles & Dash Podcasts that no new investors read, watch or believe.

DiscoverDash is full of inaccurate hyped up merchant numbers (the grass roots merchant adoption strategy is not working at all).

Dash Force PR seems more like internal relations and white washing of real issues that arise within Dash.

Public Outreach (Should be renamed internally focussed in-reach, as it is really for existing Dash insiders).

Business Development (where are the business people? Seems for their buddies only).

Meetups (again, tiny meetups for their buddies / DF staff).

Moderation (sometimes excessive, leading to extreme opposition from censored parties. No one can voice a critique without being painted with a Drako/Joel/George/Sock puppet brush).

Not worth 350 Dash a month.

Alarm bells should be ringing, this Dash Force team are soo focused on their own egos, they won’t even post or recognise any of TAO’s weekly contributions or even link or promote the more moderate Dash Nation discord (the largest Dash discord), leading to one-sidedness and increased kookiness in Dash.

Looking around the social media channels these days, you can easily see the result, as most of the level-headed OGs have left and only the Kooks remain.

When the Kooks win, Dash loses.

Trip
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2 points,22 days ago
Lies, Trip, all lies!
-> There has been zero adoption due to most other proposals, especially Kuvacash which drew over a million dollars out of the DAO absconded with the money delivering precisely ZERO to the network. DASH FORCE deliverables are outreach and presence in social media and that they do very well, without them DASH would have almost zero exposure.
-> They create articles that are then picked up by main stream media sources, it is false to claim their news stories do not make it out the DASH echo chamber.
-> Discover DASH is full of listings of merchants accepting DASH, no hype you moron, if you find an inaccuracy report using the built in tool. If we were to lose this tool, how might we otherwise go and find merchants accepting DASH in our area? Think man!
-> DASH Force PR does what it says on the tin and clean up spills and inaccuracies as they appear from trolls such as yourself and those in the crypto media.
-> Public outreach, neither you nor I have experience with this, you're reaching here.
-> Biz Dev Seems for buddies only? Again reaching you are speculating on what this might be, try sticking to facts.
-> Meetsup, are you excluded? If there is one in your area why not attend, would you rather a meetup with people you don't like or buddies? You criticism is absurd.
-> Moderation! I can't believe you mention this, have you been moderated from DASH TALK Discord? I believe you have from DND. There is next to no moderation that impacted you in the DASH TALK Discord, this is flat out lies!
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-4 points,22 days ago
Well written, I hope the owners of this proposal see it fit to grace us with a response to these valid points.
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3 points,22 days ago
Troll!
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-7 points,23 days ago
Valid points.
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4 points,22 days ago
No valid points at all, lies!
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-3 points,23 days ago
Repost since it got buried by downvotes, and I don't feel like my criticism has been in any way addressed:

How can you support a proposal where the proposal owners don't even respond to the comments?

I have raised legitimate points about their lack of engagement on Reddit, Youtube, and Twitter, yet they haven't responded. There are many many free tools (including one native to twitter) they could use to prove me wrong on my claims of the uselessness of their Youtube and Twitter presence, yet they choose to only respond to Tao in an ongoing argument that frankly doesn't matter in any way.

They can't prove my criticism of their Reddit presence wrong because anyone can check it out at https://old.reddit.com/user/NibiruHybrid

The issue of out of date entries in DiscoverDash is another point that has gone completely unaddressed. It is incredibly unprofessional and considering we are paying these people a ridiculous amount of money they should be taking responsibility for that.

On top of that despite being one of the organizations that has raked in the most money from the DAO they still completely ignore any call to transfer ownership of assets (such as the DashNews domain) to the DAO.

And on top of that anyone has ever read one of their "articles" knows they are bad at their job! They are riddled with grammar and spelling mistakes in addition to just being written as bad propaganda where Dash is constantly killing it (despite the fact we are constantly losing value).

It is this type of propaganda that helps keep masternodes from panicking, but they should be panicking. Our bad decisions have left us in a position where our only solace is a propaganda network that we rely on to keep us from seeing all the poor decisions we have made that have left Dash constantly losing value against both USD and its crypto competitors.

The problem with that propaganda network is that we are literally the only people reading it. No one outside of the Dash community would touch Dash News with a ten foot pole and we al know that to be true.

The only convincing argument I've seen about keeping it is when Macno pointed out one time AA said something nice about Dash and then deleted it. Dashnews wrote a little thing about him saying it so it is there for posterity.

But is that worth all we are paying them for? This very specific edge case that could easily have been a Reddit Post or medium article free of charge?

I mean come on guys. Really think about it.
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4 points,22 days ago
Another post from a feeble minded KuvaCash supporter. If you have valid criticisms and requests for information you should not mix them with lies also, to say the articles they write are "riddled" with grammar and spelling mistakes and describe them as propaganda is blatantly false, this discredits your entire post, together with the fact your prior voting history exposes you as non-critical thinker at best, at worst a MNO with an agenda, I think your concerns won’t be addressed.
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-7 points,23 days ago
350 dash a month for an abusive, narrow minded college magazine run by "jocks" that no one reads.

Childish articles and props that cause dash's reputation damage and scares off investors.

Outside of the 15 people echo chamber, check out their reach here - https://old.reddit.com/user/NibiruHybrid

0 engagement outside the cultMost posts have 0-2 comments.
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6 points,26 days ago
So much salt on this discussion thread. I’m sure the MNOs will see through it though, like they have previously on many other proposals that have been heavily brigaded like this.
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3 points,26 days ago
Typical dismissive response from the echo chamber. Notice: no acknowledgement of any criticisms. no critical thinking. zero contribution to evaluating the proposal.
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3 points,26 days ago
The only balanced and constructive commentary I’ve read on this proposal is from DeepBlue. I happen to completely agree with him, for the record.

Dash force needs to take on such feedback and I’m sure they will.

Sadly, valuable posts like that are getting drowned out by noisy minority.
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1 point,26 days ago
walters, you don't think that Dash DAO should own the content it pays for? Why does Dash DAO not own the DashForce YouTube, website/content?

If the Dash Trust was an option back when we paid Ben Swann a small fortune, then today we could have Ryan Taylor or Dash Force using a million dollar studio instead of at a desk with a weird lamp. The DAO needs to take ownership/property seriously. We set up these organizations for a reason. It's not just for proposals that we don't trust. If we don't trust a proposal owner then we shouldn't be doing business with them in the first place. It's a critical contingency to protect everything that should be ours when something happens that we don't expect. It's not appropriate for all this content to be officially owned by an individual and not the DAO. How can we expect any other proposal owners to respond when we can't even get our second oldest Dash organization to do it. Do you disagree?
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6 points,25 days ago
I’m conflicted.. on the one hand I have the vocal minority on here telling me Dash Force is worthless and we are throwing money away by continuing to fund them..
Then on the other hand the same vocal minority arguing for ownership of their valuable IP, collateral and assets to be brought under DAO Trust/DIF control..

Which one is it?
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0 points,25 days ago
I understand why you might think it's conflicting, but it isn't and I'll explain why.
They should turn over their assets regardless of whether or not they have real good value. Why? If the content is valuable, then the DAO gets to secure that value. If it's not valuable, then it can be more easily replaced with something that is, and there is possibility for salvage. For example, if they started going off in a direction that the DAO doesn't approve anymore, there would not be any possibility of "keep funding us, or else we go to smartcash (like swann), or we shut down completely and you lose everything (like dashcrypto or Donnelly). The DAO could simply decide to hire someone else and grant them the privilege of taking over. Or if there's nothing of value at all to salvage (unlikely) then the DAO would at least be able to prevent any additional damage from being done.
It makes sense either way.
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0 points,25 days ago
First off you are putting words in his mouth by calling anything that Dashnews own valuable, he never said that and it doesn't need to be valuable in order for their to be an argument that it should be transferred to the DIF.

Thinking its a bad idea to fund something, while simultaneously calling for it to be transferred to the DIF are not at all contradictory.

For instance, I was against funding Ben Swann from day one, but if we had at least forced him to hand ownership of his studio over to the DIF he couldn't have turned around and used it to promote a competitor.
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1 point,23 days ago
No, neither of you are making sense. The Treasury, DCG and DIF are all different entities. As are all proposal owners, in fact.

Pulling random, I’ll thought out scenarios out of your ass, doesn’t make you big, or clever.

Let’s take your example of Ben Swann. Sure, he gives us 50% equity in his production company - let’s call it Swann Song Inc - what additional protection does that give the DAO if the DIF owns those shares?

Yes, you got it, it gives us ZERO fucking protection as a shareholder. That’s it. We can’t commandeer the studio, we can’t seize the assets etc. We just have votes as an equity holder of a legal entity.

Your argument is flawed nonsense!
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3 points,23 days ago
Your notion of ownership is seriously flawed.
No CEO/Director/Management can go against the will of 50% of the shareholders for a long time.
And it demonstrates that we would need MORE than 50% to be on the safe side and NOT exactly 50%.

Anyway, in such cases it is probably better for us to own the equipment 100% and none of any equity of a worthless shell LTD.
And if we had owned the equipment, i am sure it could not have been used to promote a competitor.
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-1 point,23 days ago
walters,

* "No, neither of you are making sense. The Treasury, DCG and DIF are all different entities. As are all proposal owners, in fact."

What are you even talking about? Where in the comments that you are responding to did you get the faintest idea that anyone was confusing the Treasury, DCG, and the DIF? Sorry but this is a completely nonsensical response.

* "Pulling random, I’ll thought out scenarios out of your ass, doesn’t make you big, or clever."

By out of our ass, you mean referencing real examples that ACTUALLY HAPPENED to the DAO? And no it doesn't make anyone big or clever. Very good! Can we graduate to the 6th grade now?

* "Let’s take your example of Ben Swann. Sure, he gives us 50% equity in his production company - let’s call it Swann Song Inc - what additional protection does that give the DAO if the DIF owns those shares? Yes, you got it, it gives us ZERO fucking protection as a shareholder. That’s it. We can’t commandeer the studio, we can’t seize the assets etc. We just have votes as an equity holder of a legal entity. Your argument is flawed nonsense!"

How could the DIF or the Trust be used to retain value for the DAO or prevent DAO resources from being spent on a competitor? You're a smart business-minded fellow right? I am sure you can figure this out. There are a couple good comments already with some helpful hints for you.
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-3 points,23 days ago
First off that isn't even the argument. We arent calling for shares to be transferred we are calling for assets to be transfered.

Secondly this isn't even the part of the argument that matters. Why dont you respond to the fact that their posts get no traction outside of Dash on any platform?

At the end of the day that is the argument that matters. Does all we are paying actually yield anything of value?
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-10 points,25 days ago
Dash force members are using words like Parasite for Tao and calling Dash Nation a shithole. This is just here, much worse words have been used in dash talk.

You should condemn this statement from lysergic if you want to maintain even a pretense of civil conversation.

Or you can just keep on calling everyone kuva or now donnelly and make enemies of half the world.
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2 points,22 days ago
ValenciaDash is George Donnelly, disgruntled PO that went renegade and caused issues for DASH by spreading lies after he lost funding which DASH FORCE among others helped to ameliorate and now he is trying to move the merchants we paid for him to adopt DASH to use BCH instead.
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-1 point,21 days ago
lol it's not even Donnelly.
https://twitter.com/georgedonnelly/status/1210915075659325440
GComparetto pulled the accusation out of his ass, and you and your gullible Dash Force friends fell for it hook line and sinker because it's what you want to believe. Stop being sheep
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1 point,19 days ago
common sense: that's not sufficient proof it's not George
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1 point,19 days ago
No one said it was proof. The burden of proof is actually on the person making the claim that it IS George. Especially considering the individual in question self identified last month as being Jorge from Dash Valencia, Spain (https://www.dashcentral.org/p/DashImpulseVenezuela) . How does GComparetto know who is supposedly behind the account now? It sounds to me that GComparetto already thought George was out to destroy proposals (from his statements a couple months ago) and he saw DashValencia's posts and made an association. It's extremely dubious but everyone is assuming it's true.
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-6 points,25 days ago
How can you support a proposal where the proposal owners don't even respond to the comments?

I have raised legitimate points about their lack of engagement on Reddit, Youtube, and Twitter, yet they haven't responded. There are many many free tools (including one native to twitter) they could use to prove me wrong on my claims of the uselessness of their Youtube and Twitter presence, yet they choose to only respond to Tao in an ongoing argument that frankly doesn't matter in any way.

They can't prove my criticism of their Reddit presence wrong because anyone can check it out at https://old.reddit.com/user/NibiruHybrid

The issue of out of date entries in DiscoverDash is another point that has gone completely unaddressed. It is incredibly unprofessional and considering we are paying these people a ridiculous amount of money they should be taking responsibility for that.

On top of that despite being one of the organizations that has raked in the most money from the DAO they still completely ignore any call to transfer ownership of assets (such as the DashNews domain) to the DAO.

And on top of that anyone has ever read one of their "articles" knows they are bad at their job! They are riddled with grammar and spelling mistakes in addition to just being written as bad propaganda where Dash is constantly killing it (despite the fact we are constantly losing value).

It is this type of propaganda that helps keep masternodes from panicking, but they should be panicking. Our bad decisions have left us in a position where our only solace is a propaganda network that we rely on to keep us from seeing all the poor decisions we have made that have left Dash constantly losing value against both USD and its crypto competitors.

The problem with that propaganda network is that we are literally the only people reading it. No one outside of the Dash community would touch Dash News with a ten foot pole and we al know that to be true.

The only convincing argument I've seen about keeping it is when Macno pointed out one time when some bitcoin guy said something nice about Dash and then deleted it. Dashnews wrote a little thing about him saying it so it is there for posterity.

But is that worth all we are paying them for? This very specific edge case that could easily have been a Reddit Post or medium article free of charge?

I mean come on guys. Really think about it.
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5 points,25 days ago
It's hard to take your comments seriously when you have such an obvious bias against them, so I understand if the Dash News guys think it's not worth responding. By the way, you can talk to them as much as you want on Discord.
Stuff like "we all know that to be true" turns me down for instance, as I don't know that to be true and I don't know who you are to talk for all of us.
The way you portray my Andreas Antonopoulos example is also perfect. He is not "some bitcoin guy". He made his very positive comments about Dash and chainlocks in a video and it was not deleted. No crypto media outlet reported about it (as usual) and that's precisely why we need Dash News.
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-2 points,24 days ago
There are some legit criticisms. . The fact that they think they are too good to defend themselves like other proposals here says alot. I hate discord and so do alot of other people.
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0 points,25 days ago
Bias implies my opinion is un-reasoned which you can clearly see it is not. I have numerous reasons for my justified dislike of this proposal as I have stated numerous times throughout these threads.

Address my points, don't just point out that I don't like them, because Yes obviously I don't like them that is why I'm trying to convince other people to not vote for this waste of money. If Dash News believed that my points aren't true they could easily prove it with the free analysis tools available to them.

You can equivocate on whether we all know that it is true that their articles get no traction outside of the Dash community, but you can't point to any evidence that would indicate that they do.

While I can easily point out evidence strengthening my argument (at least in regards to reddit). On youtube I find it hard to believe that their videos with their extremely low view count are watched by anyone outside of the Dash community but I can't prove it.

If they cooperated and showed their twitter network visualization I'm sure it would turn out that is a similarly insular network of influence.

As for the AA thing. If he isn't some bitcoin guy IDK who else I can call some bitcoin guy, he is some guy associated with bitcoin, in what way does that not make him "some bitcoin guy"?

In the thread I link below you literally say the video was deleted and if the video WASN'T deleted that seems to make my point stronger since we could just link to the video if we wanted to share what he said.

https://old.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/ciop7m/andreas_antonopoulos_talking_about_dash/
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3 points,25 days ago
No, I cannot see you are clearly not biased, quite the opposite.
Andreas Antonopoulos is probably THE best known "bitcoin guy", but you preferred to make it sound like it was about some anonymous unknow random guy nobody knows and cares about.
Like "some dash guy dislikes Dash News", for instance.
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0 points,25 days ago
Since you aren't responding to my arguments there isn't any point in this thread continuing.
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-8 points,26 days ago
5 upvotes in 2 minutes. You are right about this proposal being brigaded.
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5 points,26 days ago
A banal response within 10minutes too. 5 upvotes in 2 minutes you say? Lol. I can imagine you sitting there feverishly refreshing your browser and foaming at the mouth. Is that the behaviour of a rational MNO?

Anyway, you’ve kinda proved that you have a serious axe to grind here for, some reason, and none of it that I’ve seen so far is based on any valuable insight and/or constructive critique.
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-5 points,25 days ago
Typical Dash Force Mafia Speak. Dont answer the questions, attack anyone who dares to ask questions and assign motives. You should run this cult with your own contributions, keep the treasury out of it.
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-1 point,26 days ago
So far have heard no response to transferring ownership to Dash Trust or the DIF. Why does Dash Trust not own the Youtube channel or the website content? All content created that was paid for by the Dash DAO should be the PROPERTY OF DASH DAO not Joel Valenzuela or Brian Freeman or whoever. This is basic stuff people. Time to step the F up and set an example for the rest of the proposals.
"But they're doing a great job and we trust them!" Are you blind? Why the hell did we even set up these entities.
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-2 points,26 days ago
Here's an idea, you can transfer full ownership of the DashForce website/content, youtube, twitter and all other official accounts to the Dash DAO, and THEN you have Joel write a cheesy puff piece about how awesome it is that Dash is the only project that can do this. Win-Win.
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0 points,26 days ago
I see my name being brought into this discussion and feel that I need to make a statement. There are people who would attempt to make the Dash Nation movement and myself out to be “censors” when in reality nothing could be further from the truth.

Dash Nation on Discord, like the Slack channel before it, has very clear rules on what is and what isn’t acceptable. Among them is not to snuff out opinions that the mod team does not agree with. Any attempt to convince you otherwise is lying. We are not an echo chamber, and all points of view are accepted, within the framework of the rules.

As far as the community split, all was fine in DND until the leaders of Dash Force were made aware (this was always the case, but they weren’t aware) that as leader and representative of the Dash Nation proposal I would have the tie-breaking say in the event of hung juries. They did not like that at all, so they started their own Discord where they could be in control, and foster an air of resentment towards Dash Nation and KuvaCash, even attempting to marry them together, which is clearly not the case since the leader of Kuva is permanently banned from Dash Nation.

As TroyDash pointed out last cycle, Dash News is a network-funded news organization and they never mention the biggest (Dash Nation) Discord in the community for people to join, they use their position of influence to only mention Dash Talk Discord. This I believe to be unprofessional.

As for myself, I’m willing to let bygones be bygones, but I refuse to let my name be dragged through the mud. I’m currently working on something very exciting for Dash, and I’m over these petty arguments. Good luck to Dash Force this cycle.
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3 points,26 days ago
Just a friendly reminder that it's nearly 2020. I joined the Dash Talk Discord in August 2018. Discord isn't anything new and the Dash Force proposal isn't even about Discord!

The comment section of this proposal including others this voting cycle has been monopolized by a few disgruntled haters trying to stir up trouble in the network and those individuals are already well-known to the community.

The silent majority know the reality of the situation. Masternodes are not stupid. The fact that the MNO-Only channel in Dash Nation is a ghost-town and the MNO channel on Dash Talk Discord is very active tells you all you need to know.

Evidently the masternode network clearly feel more at home on the Dash Talk Discord than Dash Nation. So please stop crying about it. Dash Force aren't forcing the masternodes to use Discord, we can opt out if we want to. We have the freedom of choice. I like it that way. The truth is Tao, the masternode network didn't support your regime or authoritarian style.

Your problem and beef is really with the masternode network not Dash Force. You still seem very bitter about it. It's only George Donnelly and Kuva Cash supporters who are making Discord an issue here which is clearly why no-one is engaging with those individuals because we all know better than to waste our time going back and forth with individuals still bitter about certain proposals that got defunded in the past.
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3 points,26 days ago
Thank you.
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-1 point,26 days ago
BlueMoon: "It's only George Donnelly and Kuva Cash supporters who are making Discord an issue here"

I have never supported George Donnelly (don't even care about him) or Kuva Cash (thought that was a bad idea from the beginning). The sad part about being in an echo chamber is you don't even realize you're part of it. "You don't agree with us? You must be one of THEM"

The only reason I brought up the Discord chan was to point out some hypocrisy and extremely negative behaviour, which is only one of many problems with Dash Force, but these sorts of witch hunts are indicative of the clique mentality.
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-6 points,26 days ago
Anybody who doesnt agree with DFN is either Kuva, Tao or Donnelly.

If that is how you view the world, you are going to make a lot of enemies.

Making enemies and calling the rest of the world Kuva or whatever else is fine as long as DFN isnt a treasury funded organization. And such an abrasive organization should not be when we need investors from all walks of life.
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-6 points,26 days ago
Dash Talk is run by the Dash Force News Crowd and has zero diversity or tolerance for other opinions or viewpoints. This is why it has zero reach outside its own echo chamber.

Try and speak about how Ben Swann used dash money to promote smartcash on their discord and you will see how fast you are censored. Dash nation is far more tolerant and diverse.

It is extremely damaging to have such a partisan, non-neutral group being given charge of outreach. All you are doing is damaging Dash's reputation everyday and scaring new investors who dont agree with your extreme propaganda.

And to top it all, 350 Dash a month is far too expensive for the quality of your journalism.

Attacking dissenters instead of taking corrective is only showing your group in much worse light.
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6 points,26 days ago
"Try and speak about how Ben Swann used dash money to promote smartcash on their discord and you will see how fast you are censored."

That is a total lie as is almost everything you have said all week.

The Dash talk Discord was founded because of censorship issues and centralized authoritarian style moderation. We pride ourselves on being the most free speech oriented Dash platform and because of that the MNO's have chosen to participate more there than other places.
All major decisions are voted on in a decentralized fashion and Dash Force does not control the majority of votes on Discord.
Discord is not funded by this proposal.
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1 point,26 days ago
“The Dash talk Discord was founded because of censorship issues and centralized authoritarian style moderation.“

False. Moderation on Dash Nation is done by team, just like it is on yours. Did you notice that the non-DF moderators continue to be a part of the team? I was simply the “speaker vote” if there was equal support for both sides of an argument.

Example:

7 nays, Tao yay= Nays have it.

3 nays, 3 yays = Tao becomes the tie-breaker.

I’m not sure how this was a hard concept to understand. Somewhere along the line this translated into “Tao is a dictatorship”. Anyway, like I said, I’m over it, but I can’t allow my name to be dragged through the mud by you guys anymore. My Dash Nation includes everyone, including DF, and I have mentioned you quite a few times on my YT channel. This has never been reciprocated by DF. That’s telling on how DF does not help to foster a complete, thriving community. Still, I wish you luck in your funding, because you do SOME things well.
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2 points,26 days ago
"I was simply the “speaker vote” if there was equal support for both sides of an argument."

Not true. Please don't try and rewrite history. You even admitted it to the MNO's and apologized for claiming that. Now you are doing it again.
https://discordapp.com/channels/484546513507188745/496635238995197952/499830711654809600



"7 nays, Tao yay= Nays have it.

3 nays, 3 yays = Tao becomes the tie-breaker."

I understand that is how it may work "now", after a majority of the old mod team quit or was removed.
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1 point,26 days ago
Yes, that's a mistake that I owned up to, never made again, and you still insist on posting it at every opportunity like it's what I represent or something. As for the rest of that screenshotted comment of yours, it shows nothing that I don't stand behind. They show disagreements between you and I, nothing more. They don't show vote results and where people stood on the issues, so the ambiguity can be supplemented by narratives. Ask any of the mods that remain, they to a man will state that it's definitely not "my way or the highway", and it never was.

I've said what I wanted to say anyway. I support Dash Force initiatives, regularly retweet Mark Mason and Dash Force tweets, yet I don't receive the same treatment, even though my content is well-liked and serves to help further the cause of Dash. Why is that? You don't support active efforts by community members to further the cause of Dash? Would it kill you to support me from time to time like I support you?

Why are you only showing up when it's time for funding, anyway? Are you sick? Can't do the podcast anymore? Genuinely curious, not trolling.
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-6 points,26 days ago
Brian,

It is a shame you are trying to guilt Tao and he is trying to be nice about it because he is a decent human being.

Frankly there isnt a shred of democracy in Dash talk which is a completely one sided, bigoted cult which should never be funded to do outreach.
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-7 points,26 days ago
Brian, every knows how ben swann has scammed the treasury to build his studio and then used it to promote smartcash. You have banned users from dash talk for being "disrespectful" to him under some pretext. Check your logs.

You forced the ben swann scam down our throats so your clique is 100% responsible for all the money wasted on swann and you should apologise to the treasury for this.

You should also immediately apologise to Tao for using and allowing filthy language against him in dash talk and condemn anyone who has been a party to that.

Everyone outside the dash talk community knows what a cliquish community dash talk is and you want people hanging on for invites get into your "afterparties". I am okay with that or you running the Dash Force Cult with your own funds but you should not be given treasury funds to run an abrasive, partisan organization that is causing dash severe reputation damage.

Everyone also knows how fake the 5000 merchant claim was or the disastrous coverage on moocowmoo.

350 dash is a ridiculous sum for the amount of work, one more reason not to fund this.
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-7 points,26 days ago
A very dignified response to ongoing abuse and misbehaviour from the Dash Force News Mafia. A lesser person would find it hard to show such restraint.

Lysergic and others should apologise to the whole community for using such poor language against Dash Nation and Tao.

*Only promoting their own discord shows how partisan and unprofessional the DFN mafia is* Shame.
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3 points,27 days ago
DASH FORCE serves many important functions. It is great way to catch up on what is happening in DASH located in a readily digestible form that can easily be shared with friends and tweeted out to get wider audience. DASH NEWS engage many community members in the DN Podcast each Friday and give us a chance to get to know, eg Ryan Taylor, ABJ, the DIF folks, etc etc. DASH FORCE does almost all out social outreach, they hit the twitters, reddits, youtubes, etc and this is crucial to the project as those are battle grounds where CryptoCurrencies fight for dominance.

Strong yes from me. We need to keep DASH relevant now more than ever. Unless you are about to do all this work yourself, LOL, you will want to vote hard YES on this too.
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5 points,27 days ago
100% agreed.
Think about DFN what you want, but unless there is a better replacement, which obviously there isn't right now, and unless all the No voters are willing and able to do a better job themselves, it is simply suicidal to defund DFN right now during the impending release of Dash Platform.
VOTING YES !!
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0 points,27 days ago
Impending release? lol just when do you think Dash platform is going to hit mainnet?

DFN needs to transfer ownership of the dashnews.org website and the rights to all the content, to the Dash Trust. Their refusal to do so is one of their ways of maintaining their grip on the treasury, and it poses a huge risk to Dash if their funding dries up. We've seen what happens when we don't insist on protecting ourselves.
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5 points,26 days ago
Sooner than you think. We have already entered the Maximum Solaris cycle.
If DFN is as bad as you say, i suggest you launch your own News and Media outlet and F'ING DO A BETTER JOB THAN THEY DO.
Otherwise think twice.
TALK IS CHEAP!
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-4 points,26 days ago
See the language being used by the Dash Force Mafia.

These are the people who are being paid to be in charge of Dash's public outreach.
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-2 points,26 days ago
Q3 2020 at the earliest.

Sure, ask people who are not receiving any treasury money to compete with an organization that is. Makes sense...

Do you think the Dash Trust should own DashNews, or not? If not, then you have only yourself to blame when the time comes when we would need it to. Dash is paying for it. Dash should own the website and the IP.
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-2 points,27 days ago
This is the dash talk mafia that has a problem with Tao getting paid 25 dash a month but want 350 themselves.

See how their members abuse the rest of the community.
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2 points,26 days ago
Paying Tao for arbitrarily censoring? Just thinking about paying Tao sends chills down my spine!
Tao should pay the Treasury, to recompense us having to endure him, and not the other way around.
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0 points,27 days ago
Tao wasn't worth the full salary either especially with him maintaining a full time job. But Tao was one of the least egregious offenders in terms of being overpaid. We have had and still have, much much worse.
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-2 points,27 days ago
Like Ben Swann for example. We can thank Joel Valenzuela for introducing us to that $1,700,000 money toilet.
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0 points,27 days ago
Benn Swan got 1.7 mil? lol
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-5 points,26 days ago
Dash Force news advocated and insisted paying Ben Swann millions for *building a studio* which was then used to promote smartcash.

Some of their nodes need to be seized for promoting such a scam on the treasury.
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-3 points,27 days ago
It is not the salary, it is the behaviour of the clique and the poor quality of journalism. They push away rational investors.
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-5 points,27 days ago
According to lysergic, Tao of Satoshi is a parasite who was paying himself a crazy high compensation of 25 dash month to censor dashnation discord, which in his opinion is a shit hole.

See the language being used against half of the dash community and decide if you want to fund this group and give them 350 dash for reaching out to new users.
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5 points,27 days ago
@Rango can someone please look into banning the troll ValenciaDash. We should only have MNOs and current proposal owners posting here and this user has deliberately damaged other projects such as the DashMallParking project asking MNOs to down vote the project. This was deliberate and knowing damage to a proposal.

In the meantime MNOs I recommend we ignore ValenciaDash's comments completely in this and all other proposals.
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3 points,27 days ago
Apparently that's George Donnelly who is not "moving on" as much as he claims to do.
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3 points,27 days ago
I thought only masternodes could comment anyways. If not, then thats how it should be.
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-8 points,27 days ago
Deepblue, looks like you are trying to shut down perfectly valid criticism. If you scroll down, you will see what lysergic has posted.
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-8 points,27 days ago
Dash Talk Mafia has spoken.
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10 points,28 days ago
Important notice

I have received confirmation from two former teammates of mine, that the Dash Valencia account is managed by George Donelly. So I want to inform the MN community to consider this when reading this account’s comments.

This can also be verified when we consider the DashValencia account appeared only after George was defunded; and if you run any word cloud generator on DashValencia and any of George Donelly comments you will find the language is very much the same.

I do now know exactly the reason for these recent attack on most of Dash proposals, but according to my friends (Who are waiting on George promises to work with BCH) it seems that George wants to get people to fork Dash and create a chain split, or to try to come back later as BCH has not given any funds to him. You can read his own thoughts here https://twitter.com/georgedonnelly/status/1207715240357638146


Regardless of his specific motivation, remember George Donelly -now using the DashValencia account- is doing the one thing he did best during his time in Dash: Destroying other team’s reputation.
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1 point,19 days ago
gcomparetto: please ask Jorge from Valencia, Spain to post a video of himself on his Twitter indicating what he did with his DashCentral login credentials
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6 points,27 days ago
Truly shameful indeed if that is true. George burned all his bridges with Dash and it's about time for him to GTFO.
That being said, don't throw out all the criticism of Dash Force just because this one narcissist is against all the proposals.
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-1 point,27 days ago
True I really hope people still think critically about what this proposal is actually doing/ not doing.
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2 points,27 days ago
Here you can read what George Donnelly is up to now:

https://twitter.com/georgedonnelly/status/1196227782914777088
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-7 points,27 days ago
GComparetto : Looks like you see Donnelly in everything. I have spoken out against all embassy proposals which includes donnelly's mega scam. He is now sitting with a bowl outside the bch but those guys are not about to waste money on "embassies", "ambassadors" and "mma fighters".

For reasons best know to you, you are trying to deflect genuine criticism from failed ideas that have brought down dash to trashcoin status and $40 in value.
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5 points,27 days ago
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck there is a bloody good chance it is a duck!

I recommend all MNOs completely ignore ValenciaDash comments in this and other projects. They are clearly trying to cause damage to proposals. ValenciaDash has also damaged other projects deliberately e.g. the DashMallParking by asking MNOs to down vote the when they knew that would cause damage to the project. They also would not stop even after being asked to stop.

I recommend ValenciaDash's account be locked out. This person is clearly out to cause damage only. I thought only proposal owners and MNOs had access to DashCentral? This person is neither a proposal owner or a MN as far as I can see they should not be in DashCentral.

Just ignore ValenciaDash he's clearly a loser from a last project i.e. a project that did not go through and has now got a grudge.
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-3 points,26 days ago
I would like to point out that the people responsible for this proposal aren't even engaging in the discussion.
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-4 points,26 days ago
Their cult members are doing what they do best, lash at anyone who doesnt agree with them and abuse them with words like "parasite", "shithole".

DFN can run their cult with their own contributions but not with treasury funds. Also 350 Dash is a ridiculous sum for low end journalism that pushes rational investors away.
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4 points,28 days ago
Reposting Fernando's comment from the SHIFT PR proposal on Dash Nexus so more people can see it.

From Dash Core Group CMO Fernando Gutierrez:

Please, downvote [SHIFT PR] proposal so some funds can be freed for other community projects.

We have met with Shift and they have agreed to pause their contract in January. We will re-evaluate the situation on a monthly basis because we would like to continue with them when we approach mainnet release so we can increase the impact of the launch of Dash platform.

This [SHIFT PR] proposal was made at around $70 per Dash. We believe that, at the current price, it is more important to focus all funds on preserving existing community projects. The next few months are less about announcements and more about testing and building the platform until we reach mainnet. We need as many people involved as possible. While we value Shift's media outreach, that is something that we have also been doing internally, and in conjunction with other DFOs like Dash News and, to a lesser extent, Dash Thailand and DACH Embassy. If we increase our joint efforts we believe we can offset the negative effect of not having a dedicated PR firm doing outreach. Losing even more community teams because of lack of funds would, on the other hand, have more permanent and damaging effects.
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-4 points,27 days ago
Good to see Core only remains neutral when it suits their interests. Where was Core when we were defunding Kuva or spending millions to build some grifting "journalist" a studio?
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5 points,27 days ago
KuvaCash was a bottomless pit that never delivered anything and as I recall you were in support of it right to the end.
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-5 points,27 days ago
Indeed, I still believe we would be in a much better place if we had not cut off funding.

Regardless that isn't what is important here. What is important is Core putting its finger on the scale for a proposal when they have repeatedly claimed to remain neutral in funding requests outside of their own.
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-3 points,28 days ago
Voted no. I think we need to focus on more converting people in other inferior coins, than preaching to the choir. There is also some drama with Dash news along the way that seems to have divided the community.
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-5 points,28 days ago
It might actually be time to pause funding this news channel, to give others a chance to start building something similar.

As DashNews is getting subsidized by the DAO it has an unfair advantage to anyone who is not being subsidized.

A News channel and the website dashnews.org which is ranking very well in Alexa, could easily become self sustainable and more responsible for their work.

The quality of content on discoverdash.com has proven to be really inaccurate. The moderators themselves did nearly nothing to verify the accuracy of the merchants that were submitted to their platform.

Actually the Podcast is promoting the brands "Mark Mason" and "Joel Valenzuela" while Joel is giving tons of his opinions instead of doing real journalism.

A news reader usually does not give his opinion to the news and they usually do not interrupt the guest by giving strong opinions on what the guest said.

I believe that Dash News could easily keep going without any funds, as they should have a strong self interest to keep their YouTube channels running.

I wonder why the YouTube channels are not being owned by the DAO if they always get paid for their work, or are they?

There are so many ways they could monetize their work and even simply bringing good content to the community should be in their self interest as they are all heavily invested into DASH.

Not funding Dash News would give an equal chance to another news agency to come up and get sponsored for the next 3 years until not being sponsored anymore.

Why should the DAO keep funding proposals forever? Isnt the treasury much more like a start up booster?

Why is Dash News asking for more and more money instead of at least partially funding their work by creating their own revenue streams?

I would really appreciate getting an answer to these questions by Mark Mason, Joel Valenzuela or Mastermined (this guy is not selling his own brand, I dont even know his name)

Mark Mason, Joel Valenzuela have been creating brands for their own names for many years, sponsored by the DAO.

Especially Joel has been abusing his status inside the community by bashing and hating on community members for expressing their opinion on Reddit and Twitter.

The Dash Force Discord Channel has also been abused to ban, bash and hate on community members that are not obedient enough to Dash Force, they have actually been manipulating the community instead of simply supporting them by staying neutral in all aspects, which should be their job as Dash News representatives.
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1 point,28 days ago
Defunding the only team that is actually doing something to promote Dash and publishes news about it because someone could fall from the sky and replace them if they were defunded sounds like a brilliant idea. Not.
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0 points,28 days ago
Can you point to any way in which their "promotion" is helping? Who are they promoting to? As far as I can see their reach stops at the borders of the Dash community.

It gains zero traction outside of people who are already involved in Dash.
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3 points,28 days ago
One example: the article on Andreas Antonopoulos talking about Chainlocks. Great resource to share. Do I wish it was a Coindesk article? Sure. But we don't have that.
If there was any better news team anywhere willing to do the work they do - including all the translations in various languages (!!!) - fine, I'd consider defund Dash News/Dash Force.
Until then, defunding a team like that genuinely believes in Dash would be a big mistake in my view.
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-5 points,28 days ago
Dash news is only for the dash talk clique and has an audience of 0 outside it.

Not having such a outlet is far better than these people pushing away new users with their gloaty and amateurish "news".

Embassy proposals and Dash Force have failed to add any value for dash and sinking more money into them is like flogging a dead horse.
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-2 points,29 days ago
Shrill, Amateurish and Fanboyish Reporting by Dash Force News is one of the main reasons why moderate and rational investors stay away from Dash.

DFN mafia behaves like a clique and if you arent with them, you might as well be against them. See how actively they worked to sink the dash nation discord proposal.

Criticism of poor work is responded to with delusional accusations of being linked to "Kuva"

We have funded Dash Force News for a long time and is proving to be a very low ROI item. At 350 Dash, it is a huge chunk of the little remaining budget and very expensive as well.
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0 points,29 days ago
Remember this embarrassment? https://dashnews.org/investigation-bitcarts-challenges-origins/
It is old but another perfect example of what is going on. Dash Force even threw DCG under the bus based on "confidential communications and sensitive documents" because Graham De Barra was in their good graces with his (terrible) Bitcart and Festy proposals, releasing the damning "investigation" before even reaching out to DCG to get their side of the story. It turned out later that Graham was full of shit
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2 points,29 days ago
Quote from Ryan Taylor:

"4) Graham appears to have provided one side of the story to the community, leveraging Dash Force News as his outlet, disparaging the core team and accusing us of being unavailable. To the contrary, it is Graham that has been unavailable and unresponsive. In addition, Graham has my direct phone number and Fernando's direct phone number, yet neither of us have been contacted or received a voice message from Graham over the past month.
5) Shortly after the Dash Force News article was released, BitCart posted this proposal, which is over 8x the cost of the next phase of work."

Read more: https://www.dashcentral.org/p/Bitcart-and-Festy-Development-Roadmap

Dash Force (specifically Joel Valenzuela) coordinated with Graham to try and railroad Graham's treasury proposal though at the last minute at the end of a budget cycle, at the expense of DCG's reputation. This is what corruption and cronyism looks like. Joel should have been shown the door when he did this, but Brian or whoever is running Dash Force decided to keep him on.
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0 points,28 days ago
Thank you for being rationale and pointing out all the harm these guys are doing.
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1 point,29 days ago
Not to mention they allowed the relentless character assassination of Tao on their discord channel for months, while heavily moderating anyone with criticisms of Dash Force, Evan, or whoever else is on their favored list. It is not a healthy and fair environment.
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5 points,27 days ago
This is utter bullshit, Tao's moderation of the DND is tantamount to censorship and its purpose is to shape the narrative into his small and narrow minded view of the world. There was no assassination of Tao, if anything he just stopped giving a shit after his DN DFO that was paying himself 25 of the 35 DASH to moderate that shit hole while working a full time job was lost. In that context Tao was little more than a parasite and I exposed him for the world to see.
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-3 points,27 days ago
lol, "shape the narrative into his small and narrow minded view of the world", says the person supporting Dash Force News. I hope you're happy with Joel Valenzuela controlling the narrative.
You are a perfect example of a DFN toxic cult member, just can't help lashing out at people who don't conform to your clique
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-1 point,26 days ago
@dashunicorn : You could not have put this better. DFN should be free to run their cult but not with funding from the treasury.
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-5 points,29 days ago
Having an openly biased news outlet that endorses polarising figures like Ben Swann instantly turns off more than half of the new potential userbase. Such bias is horrible for bring new investment and thus dash price.

According to the DFN mafia, everything must be viewed through the prism of partisan american politics. Guys, the world is a lot bigger than your propaganda leads you to think.

Also 350 is a humungous ask for amateurish low quality articles. Not one article is a well thought out piece that gets new users. Most of them scream "Dash is the best", "We rule" turning away even existing users.

We have been funding them for a long time and how has it helped?

DFN could be self funded through donations from sympathizers and they have a right to say what they want but no funds should go from the treasury . Treasury should welcome all viewpoints equally.
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2 points,28 days ago
Are you a speaker of the Dash team in Valencia, Venezuela?
Easy on the "mafia" accusation please.
What's your ask for a professional article that has all the unbiased and non-propagandistic views expressed in it?
Show me what you got and I might donate.
Meanwhile I vote YES on the team that has done more to get Dash some attention while being ignored or smeared by the rest of the crypto media universe than any other.
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-3 points,28 days ago
Once again I have to ask how have they done positive things for Dash? Their articles are ignored, their twitter and YouTube presence is them retweeting each other or having circular conversations for the entertainment of people within Dash.

They have no reach outside of Dash, other than to get us laughed at for being suckers for funding these people.

At best they do nothing, more likely they hurt our standing further.
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0 points,1 month ago
Guys come on.

Please for the love of god can we not blindly vote yes for Dash News for once?

All these people do is repackage information that is already available from other sources and keep it in one place (IE they function as a subreddit with a fancy UI that has shitty writing).

Ryan Taylor tweeted? Looks like they have their content today as they take 3 tweets and repeat them until its 4 paragraphs long and they post their "article" to reddit.

On top of that they consistently hurt Dash's reputation among the broader crypto community because WE ARE LITERALLY PAYING FOR PROPAGANDA. (propaganda that only people who are already involved in Dash read I might add). On top of that remember the MooCow incident? Half the comments on that thread in r/crypto where talking about dumb shit that Joel has said and done.

Take a look at what all this is accomplishing: https://old.reddit.com/user/NibiruHybrid

That is the account that posts their content to reddit. Notice how it as zero upvotes on literally every post except the ones going to the Dash subreddit where we like to be fed propaganda.

These people are grifters in the truest sense of the word and a big part of the reason no one takes Dash seriously.
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1 point,29 days ago
Great post!
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2 points,1 month ago
Hey everyone.

I hope you liked the new video format of the Dash Podcast broadcasted and multistreamed to several platforms live. The feedback so far has been really positive.

I also want to thank the community for submitting questions for Ryan's AMA in Dash Talk Discord for last Friday's podcast with (Proof of Emoji).
https://twitter.com/StayDashy/status/1204414041222873088

Having the podcast streamed to platforms like Twitter via periscope and Facebook Live etc. in addition to YouTube has already helped increase impressions and awareness etc.
https://twitter.com/StayDashy/status/1205580733458202624

Don't miss this Friday's Xmas Special of the Dash Podcast with Amanda B. Johnson.
https://twitter.com/StayDashy/status/1207350956733747200

Thank you masternodes for your continued support.
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4 points,1 month ago
DFN, is an important part of our community, and they will continue to get my votes until someone else steps up and does a better job. I can't stress this last point enough to everyone complaining. If an alternative group can match them in terms of quality and quantity of output, maybe I'd reconsider, but I don't see anyone else doing anything close to them at this point.

What they do is not easy, and they have important industry contacts. Easy yes.
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4 points,29 days ago
This.
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9 points,1 month ago
I'm a little bit surprised by so many No votes on this proposal.
To all the No voters:
Please reconsider if it really is a good idea to defund DashForce and DashNews right before and during the impending release of Dash Platform. In my opinion, defunding them is a suicidal move and doesn't benefit Dash and us MNO's at all.
When Dash Platform is finally being released in early 2020 we need to get the word out about it, rather than silencing and sabotaging one of our most important News publishers.
I understand that some MNO may not be happy with some aspects of how DashForce and DashNews are run.
But please keep in mind, condemning and criticizing is much easier than doing a better job than they do.
Are the No voters in here able and willing to do a better job than DashForce and DashNews does?
And perhaps even asking for (much) less money?
Then, please, come forward and introduce yourselves and what you can and are willing to contribute.
Please let me know who is able to deliver a better job than they do, and who is willing to do it.

If not, please reconsider your No vote, and whether early 2020 is the best time to defund DashForce and DashNews.
And if you really want to defund them, then please, for the sake of Dash, don't defund them in the first half of 2020.
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8 points,1 month ago
There is a MNO with 48 votes that it appears voted down every single proposal including DCG, pretty sure I know who it is and they have proven time and time again they can not be reasoned with.
The other no votes are probably just the regulars that vote no, we usually get around 200.
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-1 point,1 month ago
Do ypu know who have these 48 vote power ?
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3 points,1 month ago
Please consider neutralizing their 48 No votes using your own votes.
Thank you very much
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-4 points,1 month ago
Dash News is sometimes a good resource but is sickeningly biased. DFN content is not all bad, there is some good information there. But every article about an altcoin ends with some cheesy hook about how Dash is better, or repeats some bogus statistic like the 5000 Venezuelan merchants. It is hard to take seriously.

The only way I would vote for Dash Force would be if Joel Valenzuela, Brian Freeman, and Justin Szilard are replaced, and all Dash Force intellectual property moved into an organization directly owned by the Dash trust.

Here's a good example.

Reality: Investors were trying to withdraw from moocowmoo's service since April, and even back then there was a long trail of complaints from investors experiencing insanely slow service. Moo was still listed on dash.org as an advisor up through July of this year. People waiting for months would have lost as much as 60% of the value of their Dash while waiting for a completely unresponsive moocowmoo. Having this situation involving the business of a well respected core developer, and him having been associated with DCG on their website, is a huge PR problem and is obviously newsworthy.

Dash Force News: Nothing to see here! moocowmoo has been long since removed from the dash website! (I mean four months ago, and it's not like exit scammers ever try to disassociate themselves after they have cut and run or anything.) Every journalist reporting on this is a biased hateful troll and I'm going to call out your writers on twitter! Look, don't worry that no one can withdraw. People are still getting payouts, this proves it's not a scam. (says every pyramid scheme ever.) Plus the person who raised the alarm about this issue is a known troll, so there!

Reality: The headlines and negative press are the only reason somebody was finally able to get moocowmoo to come out of his coma and send investors their Dash back. After months and months of community and core team not being able to do a damn thing.

Dash Force: Told you it wasn't a scam. #FakeNews And you know what else is wrong with the crypto media today?.............


It is like we are still in high school.
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-3 points,1 month ago
Great post, thanks!
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-4 points,1 month ago
I will be voting No and would urge other MNOs to do the same to say the least

Dash force has been highly partisan, and only cares to publish only those pieces which serve their best interests (those who have ingratiated towards them )

I.e their recent discord dilemma and trying to fragment the community inter alia

Thank you
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6 points,1 month ago
"highly partisan" against who exactly?
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-3 points,1 month ago
Any project in the ecosystem they have a personal grudge against
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1 point,23 days ago
This not an answer, can't fact check this.
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5 points,1 month ago
I'm happy to report that the Dash Podcast is extremely popular with audio listeners via platforms such as itunes, podbean, sticher, soundcloud etc.

The total Dash Podcast audio downloads / playback for January 2019 – December 2019 = 228,184

Please see screenshot for numbers - https://imgur.com/KS6FN4l

These numbers are taken from libsyn.com which is a dedicated service we use to syndicate our audio podcast to numerous platforms and track analytics.
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0 points,1 month ago
@MarkMason I am going to vote yes for your proposal due to the quality of your news website and the significant contributions you provide to the community. If I had the opportunity however I would not vote for you youtube videos in their current format.
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-3 points,1 month ago
@markMason, The videos podcasts on youtube are simply not good quality and I, for one don't watch them any more. I do however, read your news site and that is good content in my opinion. I know you don't agree with my feedback because when I recorded it and sent you the video feedback you did not provide any response or feedback to me. The youtube videos that gain trust from investors are those made by coin's like BitcoinSV . If we considering how unpopular Craig Wright is in the crypto community yet the BSV project has gone from half the price of DASH to double the price of DASH. Why is that? Investors in crypto watch the coin's videos and are strongly influenced by them. Yet Bitcoin SV does not offer any of the innovations that DASH offers. It is not about innovations. It is about confidence and trust in a project and a big part of that is how the DASH youtube videos are presented.
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-2 points,1 month ago
Website content = V. Good (well researched interesting topics)
Heidi updates = V. Good (Reasons: well presented, planned contend and concise)
Community support = V. Good
Podcasts = poor (see below)

The reasons I feel the podcasts are poor are 1. Amateur presentation. No apparent planning to the podcasts. Questions or statements made can take a long time to formulate because they have not been thought out in advance 2. Juvenal behaviour e.g. "Stay Dash" , "Dashtastic", Dash Glasses, Pointing arrows to indicate "going to the moon" this is definitely NOT what a serious investor wants to see on a podcast that is representing DASH. Think about it guys. For someone that knows nothing about DASH would you feel confident about putting 100 to 200K or a few million down in DASH investment when the DASH premier news guys are acting in a Juvenal manner? It simply is NOT the way to garner trust with a topic as important as as people's money and investments. Please can you stop that.

It comes across as if there is no preparation in your podcasts. The backgrounds are busy and like you're working out of a broom cupboard. In one of the podcasts Mark Mason had chalk drawn ears behind him on a blackboard. WTF! Can you not see that this childish behaviour is simply not going to build trust with serious investors who would be looking at your videos to gauge the professionalism of DASH as a solid investment. Guys please, either invest in getting some media training so you know what you're doing on the podcasts or if you don't want to do that then I suggest you drop the podcasts entirely and focus on what you're good at which is Website content and supporting the community.

In my opinion Immediate improvements could be made to the podcasts by:
1. Drop all childish behaviour. i.e. Dash Glasses, Dash catch phrases, "stay Dash" cut out giant pointing fingers going to the moon etc.
2. Invest time to learn about correct lighting and setting a neutral background to your videos. Seeing backgrounds of someone's bedroom look amateur and by extension DASH is amateur, and therefore something not to be trusted.
3. Get some media training guys. You clearly have not had any training in how to present such video content. Learn how to present these videos in a professional manner which garners trust, not takes trust away.
4. Plan, in advance your questions so that you have some structure to the podcasts before you start.
5. Cut out ramblings about what you've been doing. Viewers don't have the time and won't watch the videos.

In summary the podcasts are unstructured, unplanned, amateur lighting and background, too long, too juvenile. If you could improve on these and also coach the guest speakers to meet a minimum standard of presentation e.g. lighting and setting a neutral background with pre-planned questions for people to have time to prepare.

I also recommend that you consider expanding your subject beyond DASH e.g. broader subjects. This would then attract in visitors who may be searching for a particular subject on crypto. You then educate them on that subject which will gain their confidence and trust. Then ensure there is also some DASH content. e.g. show people how hard wallets work and why it is important to use a hard wallet etc. It also makes it much simpler for you guys to make these podcasts because it is real challenge to find new subjects to come up with every week.

6. Perhaps consider some podcasts on educating viewers rather than just news. e.g. how can a business accept online payments with DASH? I have no idea how this can be done. Such videos would help educate businesses on how to start accepting DASH in their businesses. How can we expect businesses to know what the benefits are of using DASH for accepting payments if they have not been educated on the benefits and how to set it up?

Summary: Please improve the podcasts or consider dropping them.

I sincerely do not mean to cause offence to you guys. Your news service is essential and it is clear you are devoted, hardworking and dedicated DASH community members. But honestly the podcasts are need SERIOUS improvements and honestly I would prefer you drop them if you are not prepared to do what is necessary to improve them.
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