Proposal “Microsoft-and-POS“ (Active)Back

Title:Business integration into POS terminals with Microsoft Azure
Owner:dmitriybtc
Monthly amount: 85 DASH (25771 USD)
Completed payments: 2 totaling in 170 DASH (1 month remaining)
Payment start/end: 2017-08-19 / 2017-11-16 (added on 2017-08-09)
Votes: 1019 Yes / 154 No / 14 Abstain
Will be funded: Yes
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Proposal description

In short:
Continuation of integration of Dash into POS terminals. Expansion of number of restaurants and retail businesses. The next stage of integration and partnership with Microsoft.
 
Key points:
  • partnership with Microsoft
  • universal free software on Microsoft Azure
  • multilanguage support
  • Dash global outreach and marketing by Microsoft 
 
Core of proposal:
By starting presenting our payment solution to various businesses, we found that it can have a huge success. People loved it and the demand for such implementation grew pretty fast.
 
We’ve already partnered with:
  • Oleksandr Kurinnyi (CEO of AxxonSoft) with Smartroad project (Dash payments for traffic violation)
  • Michail Reznichenko (CEO of Profit Solutions) with POS terminals (Dash payments in retail sector)
  • Michael Chabonyan (the founder of Bitcoin Foundation Ukraine) with CryptoHryvnia project 
 
Gradually, on one of the conferences we met representatives from Microsoft and they became rather interested to work with us. According to their team, Blockchain and cryptocurrency is here to stay and they will do whatever it takes to make this
space growing at a more rapid pace.
 
Based on what we’ve already done, together we came up with a unique solution. Currently all of the software that can be trusted is paid and heavy. That’s why we want to create a free light client that any small business can use.
 
Basically every single terminal in a small business (restaurant, coffee shop, hotel, cinema, gas station etc.) that has installed Windows (a vast majority) will be able to log-in into Microsoft Azure, install our software and get ready to pay with Dash.
 
In this way, the entire process is simplified to minimum steps which is extremely easy to maintain, especially during the further updates.
 
The best part is that such software can be used globally. We remove the borders and want to create an amazing system that can accelerate and even force a mass adoption of Dash internationally. 

Paying with Dash in Givi Rubenshteyn: 


 
What it makes for Dash:
  • Dash has a chance to be accepted on virtually any terminal in a restaurant or any other small business that runs on Windows throughout the world 
  • professional marketing and support from Microsoft
  • since Dash is the fastest and most user-oriented crypto on the market, together with Microsoft it has a chance to outperform even Bitcoin 
  • this integration prepares DASH network to wide usage before the Evolution

Our integration in the news:
  • Bitcoin, Dash Payments Could Soon Cover 80% Of Ukraine Merchant Terminals — Cointelegraph
  • KUNA Stakeholders Conference — Cryptogroup Youtube Channel
  • Interview: Business Integration Into Retail Sector of Ukraine — DashforceNews
  • In Kiev restaurants there will be cryptoterminals  — Forklog (https://forklog.com/v-kievskih-restoranah-poyavyatsya-kriptoterminaly-dash)
  • Kiev started to accept cryptocurrency - Hashtelegraph
  • Dash Accepted at Ukraine Restaurant, Begins Wide Retail Integration - Dashforce
  • Pay with cryptocurrency for food - Tarpan Digest
  • Dash is accepted (from real users) - Dash Unofficial Youtube Channel 
  • The beginning of wide integration in retail sector - Ukrainian restaurant is accepting Dash - HappyCoinClub
  • Givi Rubenshteyn in Kiev is officially accepting cryptocurrency - Cryptogroup Medium Channel
 
About us:
Cryptogroup (https://crypto.group) is a team of experts in programming, cryptocurrency andBlockchain technologies and fintech services.
 
Here’s what we’ve accomplished so far:
  • Launched a daily news source on cryptocurrencies - fork.land (November 2016)
  • Launched a Ukrainian DASH community website - dash.com.ua (January 2017).
  • Launched an exchange - Fork.sale (March 2017)
  • Held 5 conferences on cryptocurrency in Kiev, Zhytomyr, Vinnitsia and Kherson 
  • Created 5 video blogs about Dash and blockchain on our YouTube channel
  • Integrated Bitcoin and Dash into 3 restaurants (Givi Rubenshteyn, Pasteteca and
  • Celentano)
  • Presented our product in front of 100+ stakeholders on the top cryptocurrency conference in Ukraine. 
 
Costs:
  • Development of the actual software + maintenance 
  • Marketing,training in the restaurants 
  • Reimbursement(5 Dash)
  • Total(255 Dash)
A sample from a real restaurant:
https://hashtelegraph.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/IMG_5379-1024x683.png

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0 points,1 month ago
Hurry up and vote "YES" if you think this integration deserves funding! :)
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0 points,1 month ago
UPDATE:

We are ordering flyers for the restaurants. The heading says "Why you should not use Bitcoin. Use Dash - Digital Cash" :)

Thanks @blockchaintech for this idea! :)
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3 points,1 month ago
OFFICIAL BIG ANNOUNCEMENT!!!!

We've disabled the Litecoin functionality! Everything works just fine, so there is no need for it.
So, AS WE PROMISED, DASH is being used exclusively and as a primary coin.

P.S. We are making new flyers with explanation "Why you should not use Bitcoin"! :)
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0 points,1 month ago
I like this slogan. I would add:
"Why you should not use Bitcoin. Use Dash - Digital Cash" :)
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0 points,1 month ago
That's even better! Keep in mind - I'm stealing your slogan:)
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1 point,1 month ago
I don't agree with those of you, who are criticizing this proposal. I've been looking carefully at what these guys did in past and do now. And, I have to say, even their vlogs-news-conferences stuff is WAAAAY better than ALL we've seen recently in all crypto industry. And the previous round of Payment system development is just a huge success.
Lack of exclusiveness? Let them just throw Litecoin out - it's kind of a fair condition.
I would vote YES.
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0 points,1 month ago
Thanks man! We've already announced that we are getting rid of LTC - as we promised:)
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1 point,1 month ago
Hum, I kinda agree with the lack of exlusivity being a problem here... I understand your arguments about Bitcoin, I could eventually share them. However, don't see why we are talking about Litecoin, points made about Bitcoin do not apply to Litecoin so... even if it is testnet right now, that just tells us you will implement it in the future, right ? And the funding you will receive from us will help that.

Second point, what about privacy ? Microsoft is not that well known to respect privacy of its users. What are the implication going through the software about the privacy of users (both restaurants and customers) ?

Voting no for the moment
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-1 point,1 month ago
Microsoft is a company with a great reputation. They're actively engaged in Blockchain technologies and at our last meeting they were interested in our project and are ready to work together.

Since we're dealing with cryptocurrency, the only thing that we and Microsoft can use is the public data from the blockchain itself. It's not a credit card or something where the individual data is exposed.

The most important part is that Dash can gain a continuous support from the marketing, development and business side. We believe that if we can partner with one of the biggest IT companies in the world, we can open up a huge set of possibilities in this new form of payment - cryptocurrency.

On top of that, after the launch of DAPI we can create even more products that can benefit Dash network so that it can become a real digital cash with instant, secure and almost free transactions.
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0 points,1 month ago
OFFICIAL BIG ANNOUNCEMENT!!!!

We've disabled the Litecoin functionality! Everything works just fine, so there is no need for it.
So, AS WE PROMISED, DASH is being used exclusively and as a primary coin.

P.S. We are making new flyers with explanation "Why you should not use Bitcoin"! :)
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2 points,1 month ago
Thanks for your annoucement. You haven't answered about privacy though
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1 point,1 month ago
Privacy:)
Long story short- users of our system won't leave more traces than any other person using cash. If you pay, your wallet address is the only info you compromise to our processing.
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-1 point,1 month ago
That's the great down sides of integrations into third party devices. It can be manipulated and regulated.
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1 point,1 month ago
I feel like you're running with "manipulation-regulation" sign on this website :D
Users of our system won't leave more traces than any other person using cash. If you pay, your wallet address is the only info you compromise to our processing :)
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-1 point,1 month ago
The data is stored on a private server by the third party correct? Cash has no data to be stored, no trace at all. So you are wrong by that statement.
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2 points,1 month ago
Absolutely correct. We already have an anonymization mechanism for transactions. But we need a large number of transactions.
For payment in restaurants I do not use my main wallet. Everywhere there are cameras
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-1 point,1 month ago
all companies they've "partnered with" are owned by Russians/Ukrainians, which is a really "unreliable" evidence. Even I own three companies in Russia and anyone can say that we are partners and trying to develop new payment systems, using DASH, not worth your votes guys.
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1 point,1 month ago
It's a completely unfair argument, as these guys have provided us with a real working project. I think you're being biased, somehow!
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1 point,1 month ago
Those companies are Ukrainian, not Russian.

- AxxonSoft is an international company and has 36 offices across the globe, including Germany, UK, China, Singapure, Brazil, Mexico etc.
- Profit Solution is Ukrainian company and also has one location in Baku (Azerbaijan).
- Bitcoin Foundation Ukraine is a community rather, than company that is widely known in cryptocurrency space across the globe.

I don't understand what't wrong with the fact that those are mostly Ukrainian-based companies.

Most of the people underestimate Ukraine but we have the strongest community in Blockchain space. Bitfury's founder Valery Vavilov is from Ukraine, the first ASIC was created in Ukraine, the biggest blockchain conferences for 1000 of people in Ukraine, the biggest number of cases in E-government is in Ukraine.

On top of that, our country is in top 5 countries of the best IT specialists (that is a fact), and we have the biggest number of real use cases in E-government using Blockchain.
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2 points,2 months ago
Its a gang of no vote's from me, why should we fund a POS for Bitcoin and litecoin?
Get rid of them and have DASH only and you have my votes!
Maybe you could suggest users to shapeshift to dash then pay if they want to use other cryptos! This hassle will turn the none dash holders to DASH.
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0 points,1 month ago
Have we convinced you with new information in updates?:)
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0 points,1 month ago
OFFICIAL BIG ANNOUNCEMENT!!!!

We've disabled the Litecoin functionality! Everything works just fine, so there is no need for it.
So, AS WE PROMISED, DASH is being used exclusively and as a primary coin.

P.S. We are making new flyers with explanation "Why you should not use Bitcoin"! :)
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-1 point,2 months ago
Dash is being used exclusively in this system. Bitcoin payments are enabled to facilitate mainstream adoption of Dash as a mean of payment (the second has rather major advantages, such as instant payments, anonymity, credibility, etc.)

ShapeShift would turn anyone from using crypto because it requires an extra 0.25% fee + the actual fee for paying in crypto that you want to exchange.

Today we had an official announcement of paying in crypto in our first restaurant. From 20 people we had only one transaction in Bitcoin (just for the sake of testing) and one transaction in litecoin (again for the test).

People love Dash so I don't know why you're worried so much:)
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0 points,2 months ago
"Dash is being used exclusively" is just a flat out lie. Bitcoin and litecoin are currently being accepted.

In your proposal I quote "bitcoin and Dash global out reach"
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-1 point,2 months ago
JUST ONE MORE TIME:

Dash is being used exclusively in this system. Bitcoin payments are enabled to facilitate mainstream adoption of Dash as a mean of payment (the second has rather major advantages, such as instant payments, anonymity, credibility, etc.)
Litecoin payments are used as a testnet - we don't want to see any issues or problems in our POS. Quality work - "uber alles" (more than anything else) :)

Thanks to all of you, who voted "YES" - we are making future of payments one step closer!
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3 points,2 months ago
Voting NO for now. Depending on answers given to raised questions, especially Dash exclusivity and how will Instantsend be supported, I may change my decision.
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4 points,2 months ago
Not DASH Exclusive = NO vote
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-1 point,2 months ago
We'll stay with Bitcoin and Dash.

Bitcoin is because it is the biggest and people have heard about it. I'm not sure people are going to pay with Bitcoin though because of high fees and time confirmation. However it will attract users who want to pay with crypto in general because they at least heard about Bitcoin, and the vast majority of people don't.

Dash obviously will be the best choice to pay. I'm not going to go full on this one.

Litecoin is a temporary option right now. We're using it as a test platform instead of Bitcoin because it has less fees at this moment. So we'll remove it eventually.
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0 points,2 months ago
if I'm getting this right. You wrote code to add litecoin to your POS system but only temporarily? Why go through the hassle of adding them in the first place? because it has lower fees than bitcoin? Yet, you claim that the reason we should fund you is because Dash is the better pick because of its low fees? Why add litecoin for lower fees when you are preaching Dash has the lowest fees?
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-2 points,2 months ago
Litecoin is used here as a testnet for Bitcoin transactions because it has the same codebase. Obviously Dash is a fork of Litecoin but we need one more option to makes sure it works, as it should be.

The process of adding Litecoin was almost the same as with Bitcoin so there was not that much problem with that.
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0 points,2 months ago
Is it possible to add feedback for the user on the interface? Like how much fees and transaction times are going to cost/take to execute? The best way to let people know how fast dash really is would be to show them their options side by side. Make it as simple as possible.
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Example options menu:

Bitcoin - 10min transaction time
Dash - 10sec transaction time
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How you structure this is up to you guys but the difference should be obvious.
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-1 point,2 months ago
Yeah, that's an awesome idea. What interface specifically are you talking about? For users we have only receipts and cryptocurrency wallets.
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0 points,2 months ago
Both? A sticker in front of each establishment that says we accept dash would also be ideal.
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0 points,2 months ago
We'll think about that, awesome idea, thanks :)
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-2 points,2 months ago
I see your point, Dash has all the power to ask for exclusive options. However, it is only possible to make Dash a mainstream currency through the global cryptocurrency network. Many members of the community have previously stressed on the need for some exclusiveness for DASH, which is fair, but unfortunatelly impossible. HOWEVER, @troyDASH gave some good compromise on this decision: we will integrate DASH and Bitcoin:)
No other alt-coins.
This must help us to maintain a healthy payment infrastructure and DASH's exclusive opportunity for this integration
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1 point,2 months ago
Is InstantSend enabled for Dash payments? Also, I would love to see Dash as the first/main option with Bitcoin and Litecoin as alternative payment methods.
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0 points,2 months ago
InstantSend is enabled from Android or iOS Dash wallets so we can't even not to support it. It is enabled by default from the client side, it's just faster confirmed and appeared in the blockchain.

Dash is by default a first and main option because it is the fastest and easier to use. We will push hard on using exactly that option during the education of staff.
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1 point,2 months ago
I don't think you understand what instant send does on the back end.

Instant send sends a message to masternodes to confirm the transaction before a block is created. Confirming the transaction through masternodes does not decrease the amount of time a transaction can show up on the blockchain because miners create the blocks.

In this perspective, you're actually over charging Dash users because instant send cost extra, yet in your system it provides no value.
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0 points,2 months ago
Yeah, I know that InstantSend is implemented rather differently. We'll start to work on this one over time. Need more code research.
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3 points,2 months ago
Dash very much needs good POS solutions. I think it will help you to provide more details so people know what they are voting for.

Exactly what is a store in Atlantic City NJ USA setting up? They "sign into Microsoft Azure and install your software" --- is this the Profit Solutions POS system you are using in Ukraine? Something new?

What are the systems capabilities?

What is the "backend" process for direct payment to the store? Is it crypto only or local fiat currency?

Fee structure?

Thanks
Joe Moraca
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-1 point,2 months ago
Thanks Joe for such awesome questions.

Currently we can’t make a solution for all of the countries simultaneously. What we can do however is to create a brand new POS system or improve the already existing system (we’re still deciding which approach is the best one).

So we have a Microsoft representative here in Ukraine that agreed to make this together. Any small business (at first in Ukraine) will be able to install our software directly from Microsoft Azure and have a built-in option for paying with Bitcoin, Litecoin and Dash.

After we launch it successfully in Ukraine, we’re moving to Poland and work with Microsoft’s representative there. After Poland we’ll expand to other countries in Europe and CIS.

For each country there will be in-depth study of legislation regardless accepting crypto. If it is fully allowed, businesses can keep it, if not – we’ll provide some fiat gateways.

On top of that we’ll adjust not only for targeted countries’ language but also for certain features that they need and got used to in that country specifically.

Obviously our system will accept cash and credit card.

We won’t charge any fees from the customers. The price will be easier very cheap in comparison to what current system has, or a monthly fee based on Microsoft Azure prices (usually about $5/month or so).
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1 point,2 months ago
Why are we even considering integrations let alone integrations that are not Dash exclusive? Integrations have proven not to work...
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-1 point,2 months ago
Well, not all integrations are great but would you honestly say that the block cypher integration was a mistake? And that's just one of many that i would say have been usefull.
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1 point,2 months ago
If I'm correct block cypher provided integrations for other coins for free.

You have failed your promise on keeping it Bitcoin and Dash exclusive "We will integrate Dash and Bitcoin, not other alt coins" and yet you added Litecoin to the mix.

One big reason no other coin should even be involved is because Dash has instant send properties and bitcoin and litecoin doesn't. That's why your integration needs to read the blockchain in order for the merchant to accept the payment. Instant sends properties are then dissolved and has no point involving your system.

I can tell you one thing, I don't want to sit around waiting on the full block to be processed. I can't imagine wanting to spend Dash bad enough to wait 10 minutes for it to be confirmed And how frustrated myself, my friends and even the merchant would be waiting for the transaction to be processed.

But if Dash wants to support other coins to be integrated and are completely for long time consuming transactions than Idk what to say.
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-1 point,2 months ago
We're absolutely aware that people won't use Bitcoin right now and probably later on as well, unless their bill is for $100. The reasons are pretty obvious: not only it takes too much time to confirm, it also costs to much.

We were making test transactions for a few cents and the commission was about $2. In Ukraine it's about 50 UAH (our local currency) which in itself will be enough to have a simple meal. So it doesn't make sense to use Bitcoin, only if people are complete Bitcoin maximalists and don't value their Bitcoin :)

However what Bitcoin will do is it will attract people to spend cryptocurrency in general. Dash is the best option of all because it has InstantSend feature on both Android and iOS and nobody has to wait for so long.

We are big supporters of Dash and believe it can be really huge in the next few months and years, especially after the Evolution.
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3 points,2 months ago
Hold on, you say Dash will be the best option of all because of InstantSend, but earlier you said about InstantSend... "We'll start to work on this one over time. Need more code research." Obviously InstantSend is the key to POS. When will it be implemented? Is it part of this proposal?
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