Proposal “DashTownHall“ (Closed)Back

Title:Dash Town Hall - Dec 2022
Owner:DashTownHallAdmin
One-time payment: 1 DASH (24 USD)
Completed payments: no payments occurred yet (1 month remaining)
Payment start/end: 2022-12-11 / 2023-01-09 (added on 2022-11-30)
Votes: 479 Yes / 82 No / 20 Abstain
External information: dashtownhall.com

Proposal description

Dash town hall is a governance site similar to Dash central or nexus. The site offers Request for proposals, public voting and eventually delegates. We will also be making some efforts to co-ordinate the various discussion platforms (Dash central, forum, Reddit etc...)

The major advantages the site currently offers:
  • Simple Leaderboard -  Proposal overview
  • Request for proposal functionality (Using the draft proposal system)
  • Public vote to express community opinion on both active and draft proposals
  • Vote Delegation Guide
  • Public votes displayed in a way to allow direct comparison with MNO votes
Dash town hall mission:
  • Building a meritocracy where dash users discuss, vote, contribute or simply audit any and all aspects of the Dash treasury system
  • Improving the treasury system where proposal concepts and requests for proposals can be evaluated by the community without financial commitment from either Proposal owners or the treasury
  • Increasing trust and community involvement by making the site multi-lingual 
  • Setting the standard for transparency

Roadmap / Planned features: 
  • Historical records of each proposal cycle
  • Historical MNO vote counts
  • Historical records organized by proposal owner
  • Historical Public vote counts
  • Forum/Discussion platform
  • Vote prioritized comments
  • Tagging system where you could see "top concerns" and "top benefits" that could be created and voted on, and also filter comments by the same tags, items such as "insufficient transparency", or "reputable team",...etc
  • The 'reputable team' and 'insufficient transparency' would probably be a 'sticky' at the top of the discussion right? That way you could see them grouped as in 23 people say they need more transparency…
  • Import comments from other platforms (DC/Reddit/etc)
IF the network approves of this proposal long term (several consecutive budget cycles) we'll start building a mobile application to make governance and voting more convenient/accessible.  This app could have these features:  

  • Notifications of voting deadline, proposal status changes etc.
  • Proposal Status change notifications
  • Masternode monitoring tool including notifications
  • Masternode Status change notifications
  • Delegates Voting History
  • Proposal Owner Accounting / Fund tracking
  • Masternode Best practices 
  • Transparency guide for proposal owners
  • Bounties tied to requests for proposals
  • including mobile voting


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Discussion: Should we fund this proposal?

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0 points,2 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNAV6MvKcSY&feature=emb_imp_woyt

Here's a quick demo of the site. I'm not happy with the quality of the video so I'll replace it at some point.
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1 point,2 years ago
If you aren't asking for funding, what is it you want, feedback? You should have it available on Platform.
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2 points,2 years ago
AgnewPickens - Thanks for the feedback. There was an old forum post for the proposals last year, but I'll start a new thread to freshen the discussion. Regarding the choice to post a proposal - I'm open to feedback and discussion both on the forum and here, but the proposal is asking another question to another audience. This proposal is essentially asking the voting members if they want the Dash Town Hall, or something similar. Are we happy with Dash Central and MNO Watch? If so, then we probably don't need the Dash Town Hall and I can stop wasting my time, efforts and money on this project.
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1 point,2 years ago
There is not only dashcentral.org and mnowatch.org

There is also dashtalk.org, dashninja.pl, reddit and several open or closed membership discord channels.

I think the Dash community suffers from decentralization of information.

Not having a single point where all the dash member can communicate eachother causes misinformation and misunderstanding.
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1 point,2 years ago
On the other hand, if we have a single point-aggregator of all the dash channels, we may start suffering from spaming.

It is a chicken-egg problem.
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1 point,2 years ago
That's true.

https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/927:_Standards

One of my biggest pet peeves is people who try to re-invent the wheel. I wouldn't be making these efforts if I didn't feel like there are massive improvements to be made. I'll add some of those to the description of this proposal (so that they're not lost in the discussion).
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1 point,2 years ago
It would save you some Dash if you would discuss stuff with other voters, we have a fairly active chat of the dash.org Forum, I have my own pre-proposal for Governance, but Dash can't stop you if you want to build Dash Town Hall with no Treasury funds, regardless the outcome of the vote.
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1 point,2 years ago
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dash-town-hall-2022.53459/
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2 points,2 years ago
I don't see much upgrade over dashcentral... what even happened to Nexus? Why a third governance site rather than upgrading dashcentral or Nexus with whatever ideas you have?

Also your repeated mentions of moderation annoys me.

It was moderation of the Dash subreddit by Basilpop that completely DESTROYED the Dash community.

Moderators need to kill themselves.
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1 point,2 years ago
Not to mention the corruption of Joel Valenzuela and Mark Mason in controlling the discords. These guys are basically trying to corner the market on Dash information so they can manipulate our narrative and push agendas that we don't agree with. Basilpop, Joel and Mark, as well as solarguy2003 (stillcantstop here, a moderator which took the side of monero, our bitter competition and used censorship to destroy the dashpay sub) are all detrimental to the community and have betrayed our trust. Excommunication is called for. Its that or they continue to parasite off the network while simultaneously destroying it.
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3 points,2 years ago
I agree. Moderation is an acceptable practice, only if it is approved by the reader. So whatever moderation should be an optional service, and not installed by default.
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0 points,2 years ago
I'm building another app, and the moderation rules there will be: no names, and every part of the post should move the discussion forward. We also have a 'moderator transparency' page which shows how many posts each moderator has denied. What do you think of this setup?
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1 point,2 years ago
You do realise you are asking for 1 dash to be funded, through one-time payment ?

There is also a budget request history of Dash Town Hall, where one of the budget proposals was funded and one not.

See : https://imgur.com/v1KWvRP
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2 points,2 years ago
1 Dash is the new 5 Dash. :)
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1 point,2 years ago
Qwizzie - Thanks for highlighting the history of the proposal...Let's take a look at it, and I think it'll help us understand the motivations behind this proposal as well as the project as a whole.

Last year I was attempting to launch the website with a couple of paid moderators. I was assuming that the community would welcome a nexus replacement. There was so much discussion about the funding that this year I've decided to completely remove that issue until we know what the community wants.

As you highlighted... the community approved one proposal and denied the next. As a proposal owner, this can be pretty confusing and discouraging. It's difficult, and maybe impossible to really get a genuine message from yes no votes, and this is why I'm not requesting any funds over the cost of the proposal fee this time. The purpose of this proposal is to ask the network if this project is something they want....yes or no. If the MNO's decide that this project might have merit, and if the votes are clear I'll start funding an app which will accomplish the same features (and more).

If you have any questions whatsoever about this project please direct them here. There is an old forum post for this project which I'll also check, but likely not as often. You can also reach me directly at Help@dashtownhall.com
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1 point,2 years ago
I suspect the previous budget proposal of Dash Town Hall did not pass, because Dash Town Hall requested funding again the very next month.
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1 point,2 years ago
Potentially, but it's pretty difficult to say with any certainty what the motivations of the voters were. You might also notice that the proposal had a majority of yes votes (330/102/137 from your graphic), and failed to pass due to a lack of voter participation. Your narrative might be correct, but by submitting proposals without any requesting significant funds we should better be able to see what the network wants, right?
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3 points,2 years ago
I think your governance question should become more generic.

Do not focus on your personal site, but rather on what you think the community would like to see built.

By proposing generic governance questions you welcome developer's competition, and thus your governance proposal has more chances to pass.
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2 points,2 years ago
Thank you for the feedback.
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