Welcome!

point: we don't really need DashText in Mexico or Canada (especially not in Canada). That it would be a waste of resources. That the 2 countries we need DashText are: Venezuela + Zimbabwe

I disagree: we need DashText in Mexico, Canada and anywhere they can get a foothold. Its not our place to put artificial limits on proposals or POs imo. They need to have the freedom to try their hardest and shoot for the most impossible goals with our support. This isn't a business, we can afford to try a lot of different things and stick with what works.

and, Canada the smartphone penetration is extremely high. Mexico smartphone penetration is very high

Mexico economy is not experiencing demand for a new currency+Canada economy is not experiencing demand for a new currency.

The entire world is experiencing demand for a new currency. Your suppositions shouldn't be used to hinder the operation of DAOs. DashText works with feature phones AND smartphones so that's not a good reason not to support them either.

Yes from me.

Thanks for your support qwizzie!

Another firm YES! from me. Dash Text has become una parte imprescindible (an essential part) of our growth strategy in Venezuela. As many of you may or may not know, I am a student of the LIQUIDITY theory of mass-adoption. In other words, in order for us to win the cryptocurrency race and become the number #1 payments coin in the globe, we must reach the critical mass of user-owned liquidity required to break out and reach "ignition" - the state of self-sustaining growth and adoption. We have to pour the 'gas' into the T-tauri star until it ignites into a main-sequence star and shines brightly like the sun does. That 'gas' is Dash liquidity, it must be tightly concentrated until fusion occurs and ignition commences.

This means we have to get Dash in the very same hands of the people who will use it. This must be done cheaply and efficiently. If they have to climb a mountain and cross a river to get it, we're not doing our jobs right. We thus need to vote to spread as MUCH DASH AS POSSIBLE as quickly as possible to as many people as possible. All while deftly avoiding fraud and malicious behavior. Its a tough call, but together we can make it!

We may not achieve global dominance, but to get some large, sustainable success and growth would also be fine, so we shoot for the maximum possible outcome. We're already seeing this with the burgeoning ecosystem that DashText is a part of in Venezuela. Together, they work with teams like Dash Mall and Parking, and other local Dash communities to spread the one of the only Dash-SMS services in the globe (Dash via cointext is only avialable in US and Canada)! Having multiple teams in different countries spreading different services is the holy-grail of cryptocurrency adoption, and expanding into Mexico is a lofty and worthy goal of our support.

REMEMBER what the point of having the block rewards and inflation in cryptocurrency is! There is only ONE REASON for inflation in cryptocurrencies: to distribute new coins to as many people as possible, in the fairest way possible. Fairness here refers to equality of opportunity, not outcomes. Everyone has a chance to mine. Everyone had a chance to get in early. Few took it and the results of that are OK. But we need MORE THAN THAT! Cryptocurrencies are not here just to make the few financially independent, but EVERYONE!

So there exists inflation in the system to make sure that the coin is well-distributed to many hands. This is actually cruicially important, and many coins get this completely wrong. This is why they don't see adoption, their incentives are all misaligned. When your coin is centralized in few hands, there's little incentive for new entrants into the market. Why should they come and grow your coin when they're really only paying to support your bags? So Satoshi put inflation in the equation, so that the most people possible would be able to get coins as quickly as possible.

The problem with that is, its still too slow! Dash has the advantage here! We must act to use it while our competition is still blinded to the fact that they're incapable of any sort of directed community growth. FOR YEARS, our core development team has been WELL-FUNDED. We're talking about at least 2 dozen people working on the protocol in a decentralized, yet directed fashion. r/btc and Bitcoin Cash are arguing about how to even begin funding their development!

Yet we must assume that miners are rational actors, not interested in being ideologues going down with the ship. They chase profits to stay alive. This is in their best interests. The point is this: Dash is the only major coin that fully incentivizes ALL PARTICIPANTS in its community in a decentralized, trustless manner! We're currently paying out nearly $700,000 every month to decentralized, formerly grassroots efforts to spread adoption all over the world. This is a HUGE ADVANTAGE. In r/btc, *right now*, they're trying to desperately figure a way how to overcome their lack of ability to do exactly what we do here every month.

So the only thing we have to worry about, the only mistake we have to watch out to not make is SQUANDERING this opportunity. This will be the goal of our detractors: to get us to spend the most money on the least effective proposals so that they can catch up to us somehow. We have a community in Venezuela like no other coin. Its so bad they've taken to deliberately lying and saying our Dash community in Venezuela doesn't even exist! Let's prove to them that they do. Let's fund all the teams that are working for adoption for us in Venezuela, and throughout the world. We've kicked out the scammers, let's pay the people with the passion and drive to carry out the will of the MNOs in Venezuela, vote YES! for DashText!

Hello therealDashman21, we really appreciate your comment of support in our proposal, and we want to thank you for taking the time to write it, we can see that you've been following our work and know what you're talking about, how much effort we have put into building the ecosystem in Venezuela and the rest of the world, and how we have helped and worked with basically every Dash team both in Venezuela and abroad in order to get Dash established.

We fully share the opinion that Dash is the superior digital asset in the world, with a protocol that has the best incentive structure out there, allowing people with great ideas for Dash to get paid for making those ideas a reality and expand the reach of Dash around the world. We are working hard at this, and we're heavily investing our efforts into building solutions that not only broaden the access to Dash, but that also incentivize people to BUY Dash. As the price of Dash goes up, the network has more ability to fund great projects, and we are hopeful that this is going to be a great year for Dash, both in terms of price, protocol development and great teams from multiple countries working together for our common goal, which is growing economic freedom around the world with the best form of Digital Cash there is.

Thanks again for your support,
Dash Text Team

Thank you for your kind words and for all the work you do for the network. It is a pleasure to work with you to spread Dash adoption in Venezuela and all over the world. Keep up the good work!

If the MNO are that bored they seem to wanna trust a DFO who cant do their own due diligence and then go on to refer text from a third party country which has no control over domestic affairs, in Canada

Its appalling that they even receive a single duff

Wakeup guys.

@Realmrhack here is a quote from the proposal owners- in fact their first message in this proposal:

"We would love to know what are these new regulatory changes you are mentioning, could you point us to some sources?"

You did not provide any answer to this question. Why was that when you know what the changes in Canada are? You could have helped this team. Instead you chose to cut down the proposal owner and offer no information. I find your series of comments in this proposal an unusual response based on the calls we had you came across to me as a most reasonable person. Don't you think it is better if we can support proposal owners? Or do you think that DashText is completely of no value to the network and you just want to burn the project. If that is the case then could you at least give your feedback why you feel DashText service is not of value to DASH in your opinion instead of focusing on legal issues that you know this team do not have resources to. Unless, of course you would like to pay for a lawyer to do the work and they can ask for more money to make sure to do the checks you say properly.

@deepblue

1) they are getting paid for a series of tasks its imperative they conduct some basic research
2) ash pointed out the legality of it, soon after
3) im sick of every PO just getting up asking for funds without doing any basic research,
4) by us 'supporting' them we in essence condoning poor research
5) some basic searches would have netted you results, do not need a lawyer the various gov agencies did publish notices etc

DeepBlue: ask yourself this question in Ernest, do you think Canadians dont have smart phones? Being one of the most developed nations in the world?

The fact of the matter is much easier to download the wallet app for a Canadian then fiddle around with a silly custodial service (via text) when infact the Gov of Canadas position against custodial based services.

Thank you

@Realmrhack, I agree that POs need to do more research however I also think that MNOs that know things that can help long standing POs, such as DashText, could take a few minutes to share the information they have, like Ash did. Working together we are stronger.

I think it is very important that all POs know what the law is in the region they are working. However, this requires the services of a qualified lawyer to advise in my experience. It is not enough to read research online. In my opinion if an MNO knows information that can help and can easily point them in the right direction we have a responsibility to do that. Isn't that part of our role as an MNO? Not just to vote, but to actually contribute positively when we can, to assist project owners and make sure they go in the right direction?

I totally believe Canadians have smartphones. But I don't think that is the use case for DashText. But before I answer your question on this I think it is important for us first to determine who is the most likely users of DASH Text. Therefore let me ask you a different question to determine how much you know about the demographics of people using crypto in a real-use case in a first world country like USA and therefore who would find DashText service of value over a smartphone user. I think it is reasonable to expect that Canada will be similar to the USA as a first world nation?

Therefore can you give the % demographic breakdown of typical Bitcoin ATM in the USA for each of the following types of user:

1. What % of the Bitcoin ATM users are non Caucasian?
2. What % do not have a bank account?
3. What % are female?
4. What are the primary use cases for users of a Bitcoin ATM in the USA?

Once you post your reply I will send you a source of information for the USA for all of the above.

1. It is significantly higher we have more asians and south asians (indians pakistanis)
2. We do not have an unbanked situation in Canada period. Its a right to have a bank account in Canada so you cannot be denied for a personal account.
3. Female ratio will have to get back to you
4. Primary use cases seem to be convenience, ease of access, avoids Money transmission aml etc.


Thanks

Furthermore just to add @deepblue Canadian and usa demographics are not alike, please take a moment to check this we dont have a high undocumented population or unbanked individuals

Secondly if you look at rates of sms usage in Canada you will be astonished to find medium to low volume compared to pre 2015ish

Thanks

@RealMrHack, You can find the answers by watching this video given on the link below. You will see who the real world users profile is for non speculators of crypto and it is not who you may think. These people are also strong use case users for DASHText.

https://youtu.be/H4KgClyKsCI?t=1117

Here are the answers I posted to you earlier.

>50% are NOT Caucasian
>50% do not have a bank account
20% are female

And the no.1 use for Bitcoin ATM is remittances.

i.e. The majority of people that use Bitcoin ATMs in the USA are foreigners, that don't have a bank account, and are looking to make remittances to their family oversees.

These people may not be able to afford a smartphone. Or even if they did, the people that they are sending the money to may not have a smartphone. This is why DashText is useful for them.

However there are also strong use cases for DashText even for people that have a smartphone. I believe the proposal owner is going to write an article so that the benefits of using DashText over a regular smartphone wallet are made clear.

Yes but we do not have this situation in Canada

You can use Western Union upto 1000$ without ID

Same with MoneyGram

Or postal money orders

You can open a bank account pay for EMT( email money transfer) 3k cad limit

Usa has alot of people that ate uneducated aswell if you ask them to point out a country say germany on a globe they couldn't find there is anecdotal evidence to support this

Compared to a highly educated population of 40million with a country similar size to USA.

@Realmrhack, it would be helpful if you can you give your sources as I have done.

Immigration problems in Canada
67% of people polled in 2018 in Canada believe that there is a crisis from irregular immigration see this article: https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/08/03/canada-border-crossings-poll_a_23494958/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/angus-reid-border-poll-1.4771961

The two articles above suggest there is a serious issue with immigrants to Canada. However you say there is not a problem? Can you provide the sources to back up what you say?

These people most likely will not have a bank accounts or entitled to bank accounts.

They might be able to use Western Uniion without ID but how much does it cost you in commission rate? Same with MoneyGram or postal orders?

If these people that are refugees or seeking asylum in Canada - what you're saying is they are entitled to a bank account? OK, I did not know that but that is good to know.

I would also be interested on your view on the following point: Do you believe money should always be available to spend or do you think it should only be spendable when there is internet and electricity? For me at least money should always be spendable even if there is no internet - during blackouts mobile phones are about the only connection with the outside world.

Canada in particular suffers from frequent and persistent blackouts due to electricity cuts due to the weather there. Let's hope that you don't need to send DASH when one of these events occurs.

https://www.itworldcanada.com/article/ontario-suffered-more-blackouts-than-any-other-province-in-2017-eaton/403155


Looking at this current outage chart shows a lot of places without power in Canada with 57,000 outages in Quebec alone. With DashText you can still make payments with SMS payment system.

https://www.generac.com/be-prepared/power-outages/power-outage-tracker-canada


Thank you

Umm im not sure where your getting this info deepblue but its terribly flawed

In the 30+ years of living in the same city ive experienced once blackout


The blackouts you are referring to are from northern ontario where populations are less than 1000 or mining towns please see the data you posted


And once again deepblue had you done som due dillegence you would know those 'irregular' crossers are mostly all nigerians running away from draconian usa trump policies

Not any from third world countries such as mexico inter alia

I did a quick search online for other reports for extended power outages in Ontario for February 2020 :

10,000 in Ontario affected with an outage for 10 hours: https://northernontario.ctvnews.ca/overnight-power-outage-in-sudbury-s-south-end-1.4811856

Other reports of major power outages due to weather in Canada

https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/301036/canada-snowstorm-causes-power-outages-in-british-columbia-january-1

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/ontario-prepares-for-freezing-rain-and-possible-power-outages/

I did not do more searches but it appears major outages do occur in Canada frequently especially during winder due to bad weather. Perhaps you are not affected by this - but others appear to be. The reports above are just a few I found for Jan and Feb this year 2020 in Canada.

A text based payment system provides a backup payment option.

In terms of regulations and Canada. I believe the correct way is to get professional legal advice from a specialist lawyer in the subject of payments, crypto and the proposed legislation. Many times there are mitigating circumstances that we simply cannot determine by a novice attempting to interpreting the law by reading online sources. It could well be, as you say, an issue that they will not be allowed to operate. At the same time it may also be possible to find a work around or that the service may not come under the proposed legislation. Without specialist legal advice for the particular country I, personally, would not offer a service in that country.

As i pointed out earlier and will point out again!

SUDBURY IS A NORTHERN MINING TOWN!!!

5 HOURS FROM TORONTO 600KM NORTH!

@Realmrhack I've given my references above. Unlike yourself that has given not one. The reference I gave was for a real time tracker for power outages in Canada. At the time I posted it showed 57,000 people affected by an outage in Ontario. I got the information from the reference I gave above by generac - perhaps you should refer to it more than just once to see how these outage numbers vary during a week.

You have lived 30+ years in the same city without only 1 blackout . Does that means all of Canada should be based on the same experience you've had? If the reference above I have given above is unreliable for monitoring power outages in Canada then give your reason why. You cannot go of just your own personal experience of living in one location, in one city. Power outages occur at the neighbourhood level in pockets most frequently. People don't pay attention to an outage ... until it affects them of course then it matters.

Regarding the immigration issue. You clearly are part of the 33% of people that don't think there is a problem in the survey taken.

I also notice you did not answer my question. Do you think money should be spendable at all times whether there is electricity or internet or not?

One other observation. I notice that you very rarely, if ever, give positive feedback to a proposal owner. Or share your experience. It is almost always negative to cut down the proposal. I have yet to see you share your experience and knowledge in a positive way to assist a proposal owner improve. Having spoken with you personally I know you really are not anything like what you come across in your proposal postings. In fact quite the opposite. In my opinion that is a loss to Dash. I feel Dash projects could benefit from your experience, knowledge and experience if you gave feedback more like those from our call and not just cutting down nearly every project you comment on.

Oh and mostly via land crossing at few border points.

And again mostly africans sadly

I agree with your point that it is does not appear to be a problem to the same level as the USA

Well look again all those border crossers where all africans i can google it for you or can google it too stats show it, gov data demonstrates the same

Even though the initial idea for Dash Text was for people without smartphones, we have found that people with smartphones love to use it too. The reasons are simple, Dash Text is one text away, downloading the mobile app takes time, space in your phone, requires you to write down the 12 word seed phrase and it also has to sync, that's a lot of steps if you want to show a friend Dash for the first time.

If you want to show Dash to someone for the first time, the easiest thing you can do is send them a Dash Text invitation, hence our motto "The first step into Dash".

Also, people from North America are very used to texting, the rest of the world with smartphones have migrated to messaging apps like WhatsApp or Telegram, but in north America most people still use SMS every day, it is super natural and that's why the USA is the second after Venezuela in Dash Text use.

That's why we want to service Canada too, circumstances are similar to the US in terms of SMS usage and a lot of people have asked us to enable the functionality via SMS there.

There are similar services like cointext for BCH who are currently active in Canada and have shown no signs of shutting it down or adding KYC. We'll continue to investigate if these new regulations would really apply to a text based wallet like Dash Text in the future, however Canadian users are already able to use Dash Text via Telegram and will continue to be able to use it like that if there are any problems with the SMS service there in the future.

We appreciate all the feedback we receive and will continue to work to improve all aspects of the service in the future.

Thanks,
Jose

Jose,

So your response is basically, hey if other service providers havent done so than you don't need to aswell,

Then i guess the inevitable is that you will get shutdown in Canada and I will come back right here on DC and say told ya.


Good luck

If your quoting wikipedia, then we also must agree that you havent done your homework/due diligence

And if the rest of the MNO fail to see this aswell or research it then, its well deserved as a poor investment

Thanks

It is not from wikipedia, it is from the Library of Congress site, source:

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/cryptocurrency/canada.php

We haven't found anything that would directly affect Dash Text basic functionality in Canada.

What does USA congress have to do with Canada?

From June 1st new regulation comes into place requiring all exchanges and custodial services that serve Canadians to be reporting entities for ATF and AML purposes. Essentially this means you'd be unable to operate your services in Canada, outside of doing kyc.

Here's an article for more insight:
http://www.mondaq.com/canada/x/881170/fin+tech/Changes+To+Canadian+Cryptocurrency+Regulations

@AshFrancis thanks for giving this proposal owners the information they need to know. I'm surprised that @RealMrHack did not do this when he knows there are up and coming changes to the regulations in Canada but offered no information to this proposal owner to point them in the right direction.

Can you please elaborate what services if any will be provisioned in Canada?

Due to new regulatory changes there might be some hindrance to it

Thanks

Hello Realmrhack! We hope to allow users in Canada basic Dash Text wallet services like sending and receiving Dash, checking their wallet balance, and checking the price of Dash.

We would love to know what are these new regulatory changes you are mentioning, could you point us to some sources?

Here's an excerpt from "Legality of Cryptocurrencies" in Canada, according to which, there should be no problem with Dash Text:

Canada allows the use of cryptocurrencies. According to the Government of Canada webpage on digital currencies, “you can use digital currencies to buy goods and services on the Internet and in stores that accept digital currencies. You may also buy and sell digital currency on open exchanges, called digital currency or cryptocurrency exchanges.”

Thanks in advance!
Jose