Proposal “DashElectrumJan2022“ (Closed)Back
Title: | Dash Electrum Support and Development Jan 2022 |
Owner: | akhavr |
Monthly amount: | 121 DASH (2624 USD) |
Completed payments: | 2 totaling in 242 DASH (1 month remaining) |
Payment start/end: | 2022-01-11 / 2022-04-10 (added on 2022-01-03) |
Final voting deadline: | in passed |
Votes: | 710 Yes / 511 No / 12 Abstain |
Proposal description
Electrum is probably the most popular open-source SPV wallet for bitcoin. Early 2017 I've picked up maintenance and support for DASH Electrum. Since then, I've assembled a small team of three developers. This is a proposal to fund the continuing development and support for Dash Electrum.
Execution and Schedule:
Work already performed or in progress. Deliverables are released publicly as soon as they are ready.
During next 3 months we plan to work on the following:
After paying Dec salaries, we are short of 25.5804 Dash.
At current exchange rate of 136.36USD/Dash our run rate is ~110.01 Dash per month.
As usual, in case of DASH appreciation, any leftover funds would be spent to extend the duration of the project. In case of DASH depreciation, we will go into a deficit mode again and will submit a new proposal after the end of this 3 month period.
Execution and Schedule:
Work already performed or in progress. Deliverables are released publicly as soon as they are ready.
During next 3 months we plan to work on the following:
- follow the upstream development
- fix dash-specific issues (see github)
- complete alternative mixing capabilities
- investigate possibilities for DLC contracts, potentially leading a way to implement DeFi on Dash
After paying Dec salaries, we are short of 25.5804 Dash.
At current exchange rate of 136.36USD/Dash our run rate is ~110.01 Dash per month.
- 110.01 Dash * 3 month = 330.03 Dash
- 5 Dash proposal submission
- 25.58 Dash deficit
As usual, in case of DASH appreciation, any leftover funds would be spent to extend the duration of the project. In case of DASH depreciation, we will go into a deficit mode again and will submit a new proposal after the end of this 3 month period.
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Thanks to Dash Protocol "staying neutral"^W^W supporting Russian invasion in Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putinversteher
stay neutral further..
You have now successfully gotten the attention of the masternode owners (MNOs), and we are genuinely sorry for the violent invasion and dangerous situation there in Ukraine. I think several of us MNOs are considering voluntarily raising some community donations to send funds to help people there.
If we MNOs were to make some voluntary donations to this cause, would that help in working things out with your team so that (1) you would agree to remove the donation-request from Dash Electrum software now, and (2) from now on your team would agree not to put any donation requests in Dash Electrum, and to just keep the software agnostic?
If your team can agree to that request, then I'm sure many of us would be happy to continue to fund your team's work.
1. We would seriously consider the MNO's commitment to Dash Electrum if this (https://www.dashcentral.org/p/DashElectrumJan2022) proposal would be voted "yes". Otherwise we consider your words to be empty promises. Sorry for the harsh reality.
2. Given (1) we will submit a followup proposal for Dash Electrum funding, and it will include a donation fund. We will spend it on our team's discretion with the main goal to end Russian invasion as soon as possible with the victory on Ukraine side.
3. We will remove the popup between this period voting deadline and May 1st, given we'll see MNO's commitment to this agreement.
"You deserve nuclear war"
It is not appropriate to say things like that here. Your team needs to be well-behaved if you're going to continue to work with this DAO.
What was DAO's reaction when Ruzzian occupation forces captured Chernobul nuclear station and disabled all monitoring there?
What was DAO's reaction when Ruzzian occupation forces captured and started shelling Energodar nuclear station and disabled all monitoring there?
Are you talking about being "well behaving"? You're freaking elves and for your "neutrality" you deserve what you'll get.
idiots..
I have an artillery duel within 10 km from my house with my children sleeping.
Go fuck yourself with your "being well behaved".
Instead, we've decided to put just the informational message with the donation link.
In the end the way I see it is we have two options:
Option A is to cut funding for electrum because of an emotional plea. This will lead to electrum Dash wallet eventually dieing. This is a code base this team strongly understands. DCG doesn't and will not be able to take this over. Dash incubator doesn't either. It dieing wouldn't be catastrophic to our ecosystem, but it's not a good path for the Dash project overall.
Option B is to keep funding them.
I'm voting for B. I don't think akharv did the right thing with this popup, but to me it isn't enough to defund him and his team. I'm looking at his actual work instead and how it benefits the network. https://github.com/akhavr/electrum-dash/commits/master (master is stable, so more recent work shouldn't go there directly and should be a few days behind)
On top of this, we as a network need to realize that if we kick proposal owners when they are down we'll have no one that will actually want to make proposals to the network anymore for reasonable rates.
I am making this comment as a community member and not in anyway as a representative of DCG.
This IS Ukraine now. I welcome you here to discuss neutrality and eligibility of our team's message.
You're not "sorry for Ukraine", you're afraid. And you hide your fear under "neutrality".
This is already the largest war conflict in Europe since WW2. You won't be able to stay "neutral".
Defunding of the team, working in Ukraine *is* the act of support of the attacker - the Ruzzian federation. And this *won't* be forgotten.
Make your choice wisely.
USA puppet Zelensky and his criminal gang needs to be killed without mercy, and every brainwashed dumbshit fighting for them as well.
I hope Russia soon gonna chop off Zelensky's head and both his hands and send them straight to his warmonger masters in Washington DC.
And there you've already gone wrong. Didn't learn the lessons that the USA learned in Afghanistan and Iraq. "Threatening the existence and security of Russia" is horseshit. You don't fuck with another nation's territorial integrity because you don't like that they have a big dick while yours is tiny and shriveled. No one in Europe wants to invade fucking Russia. I hope you enjoy Russia's global pariah status, and NATO's strengthening as a direct result of Russia's war of aggression.
If this shitpost of "TheMArsall" gets +7 points by MNO's - then MNO's are literally Nazi. And Dash is Nazi coin. I'm pity that I've spent 8 years with this project.
Go to hell
Terrorists, rapists, pedophiles, oppressors, violent aggressors, and every horrible person is welcome to use Dash just the same as anybody else. Dash is a free and open currency that completely stays away from favoritism. Dash does not agree or disagree with any opinion about anybody. Dash is just money.
Will you please remove any political messages of opinion or favoritism from Dash Electrum, and please never put those type of messages there in the future?
Dash software does not favor only virtuous people or victims. Our software is agnostic. Please separate your personal political concerns and needs from the work you do for Dash. Otherwise our network will not be able to support and fund your work.
Again, I'm very sorry about the violence happening in Ukraine.
Talk is cheap, actions are of value.
You're not sorry, you're afraid. And you hide your fear under "neutrality".
Defunding of the team, working in Ukraine *is* the act of support of the attacker - the Ruzzian federation.
It is how he is , it is the way he communicates .
I tried to help him with the software once , cause I found many bugs every time I tried the electrum wallet .
He was not receptive .
Not only that , he was even quite aggressive and rude .
Since that time I am voting against this project .
He is way too aggressive in his communication , condescending , trying to school you . Time and time again . Most masternodes apparently do not see it , until recently .
Then , his work just isn't up there quality wise .
The combination of these 2 things is simply bad .
IF Dash electrum is really needed and used by people (not me as the software never properly worked for me and I was finding bugs every time i tried it) , put it in the incubator .
Have we all forgotten Ben Swann? The libertarian dude we paid millions to set up his own studio who got fired from his last job for reporting the Hillary Clinton raped kids in a pizza parlor?
What about the time we paid a small time politician to print off copies of his book and put them in peoples mailboxes?
Or the time we paid some people who made memes on the R_TheDonald to put the dash logo in their "libertarian" memes.
We have never been neutral. It is a noble ideal to strive for and we should walk that line as well as we can, but this doesn't even require us to stray from that line, as masternoodle said "...one individually developed wallet ≠ Dash..."
I have issues with Electrum, I don't think the user experience is very good, and I think Akhvar charges too much money for it, but this is some dumb BS.
If this is an issue, we can work on a different skin. For me, personally, on the desktop, it's fine. But I'm just a stubborn Ukrainian developer :)
https://www.dashcentral.org/p/DashElectrumDec2019
Stop being a presumptuous, entitled shit. We paid you hundreds of thousands of dollars to develop a DASH WALLET. This is not a charity and it certainly is not a platform for you to funnel money into a war zone. There are plenty of crimes against humanity going on in Palestine for years and we don't embed links to help the innocent people there either do we. Because the Dash wallet software has nothing to do with it. If the crimes against humanity are happening in your backyard and to your neighbors and family, then maybe you should be fighting in the war instead of developing wallets.
>Execution and Schedule:
> Work already performed or in progress. Deliverables are released publicly as soon as they are ready.
Which means "you pay for already delivered stuff"
You are
Have a good time :)
You overstepped, and instead of correcting your mistake and finding a more appropriate place to raise awareness and funds, you label all who disagree with your action as "supporting RuZZian aggression"
I'm done with your gaslighting.
But I think at this point you may of burned the bridges that might of saved you in the future. From here on, I'm not sure I could trust this wallet under your development in case malicious code is placed into binaries to further your ends. The irony that I am now open to other developers to take your place, and that includes peaceful Russian developers.
https://t.me/voynareal/12227
https://twitter.com/avalaina/status/1502208824144535555
Besides the obvious fact that one individually developed wallet ≠ Dash, I'd say I normally agree. Dash should not get involved in politics - Democrats vs. Republicans, taxes and spending up or down - this sort of thing. What we're talking about here is not one of those things. This is not politics. It is a very real matter of life or death for millions of people.
I've seen the Russian attempts to explain and justify this ruthless invasion - nazism, nationalists, Ukrainian attacks. Much of it is easily debunked if you spend any time on Bellingcat or other fact-checking sites. NONE of it justifies full-blown war indiscriminately attacking the entire civilian population and infrastructure of a free country.
If you are "staying neutral" in the face of such violent aggression, you become complicit. Imagine your mom/sister/child getting attacked by a violent thug and you just look the other way because ... "I need to stay neutral!"
McDonald's, Starbucks, Coca Cola, Netflix, Sony, Ford, GM, BMW, VW, Microsoft, Google, Samsung, Amazon and many more corporate icons, who usually put profit above everything, took a stand in this case and gave up business in Russia, neutrality be damned. Apparently they have more spine than some Dash MNOs.
Hell, even notoriously neutral Switzerland threw neutrality to the wind and joined global sanctions against this aggressor. Unprecedented in 500 years!
And here we have all these holier-than-thou folks, typing from the comfort of their warm homes, getting all up in a huff about a dev, who has the world around him getting bombed into rubble, asking for help through his product?
Really??
Rocket strike on Baryshivka tonight. ~20km from me. 15 houses destroyed. No military targets.
@Tao of Satoshi let me try to explain how your, @Troydash, and @Amanda call to defund Dash Electrum in spirit of "staying neutral" ARE hurting both our team, our ability to fight off invasion, and Dash Network itself.
Besides outright lie by @Amanda, I see at https://www.dashcentral.org/p/DashElectrumJan2022 that we will be defunded, if nothing will change.
Therefore, instead of
1. continue to deliver bugfixes and features for Dash Electrum and Dash Network in whole by keeping running a well-oiled development and release process
2. help volunteers to coordinate a fucked up logistitcs and evacuation efforts
3. help volunteers to coordinate supply of humanitarian and military gear to fight off the aggression
I have to do much more
- pause development of Dash Electrum
- raise fund to keep team alive until we'll get to a different project
- lock on such different project, which 100% will be NOT in Dash
Therefore you can kiss goodbye to :
- DLC in dash
- DEX in dash, including uncensorable dash<->stablecoins conversion
- DAO and insurance funds in Dash
So, by "staying neutral" and calling Dash Network to "stay neutral" you actually support agreZZion and hurt Dash.
Choice is yours. PERSONALLY.
And - karma is a bitch
“Just remove the message and start a fund for Dash community members to contribute to. Why die on this hill? The network will find another group to maintain Electrum. You’re going about this the wrong way, and frankly it doesn’t reflect well on you. Why should Dash take a side here when we remain neutral in Palestine, Yemen, China and others? Where does it stop? Dash must and will remain neutral. Its community members, not so. Start a fund and remove the message.”
I have been pondering the future of DAOs and I wonder if, within the next couple of years, we will see specific Dark War DAOs. I don't think dash will go down that path but I think we can now see how driven some people are to make this happen.
When I can expect you in Kharkiv and/or Mariupol? I'm sure my friends there will gladly show you what your neutrality means.
Not even Elves. Spineless amoebas.
Total received to date:
https://mnowatch.org/proposalowners/?po=akhavr
No one is going to hate you for not working during such traumatic times, but the more you lay on this emotional abuse, the less inclined I am to switch my vote.
Now, are you denying you said, "though the best way to help them is to stop the war by killing as much Russian army as possible"?
But no, instead of hating on the people that forced you to stay and fight... you chose to promote the killing of others and you want to inject your voice by association into the minds of customers that the dash network handed to you.
Thank you my overlord, thank you (bowing)
But yeah, not ONCE since this started have you been thankful for all that was granted to you. But you're happy to leverage the dash customer base to your own persuasions.
https://t.me/kyiv_politycnyi/9083
If you're "neutral" - you support RuZZian aggression
I can understand your feelings about this issue, I share them. I personally am not neutral. I hope Russia’s leaders pay dearly for the damage they’ve caused to so many lives. I hope Ukraine holds out and sends Z with their tails between their legs back to Russia.
However, we must separate this event from the neutral medium of exchange that Dash is. You are essentially speaking for the DAO by taking this action in a DAO-funded wallet. This is unacceptable to me as my position is for Dash to maintain neutrality. It remains to be seen whether the rest of the network feels the same as me.
Perhaps you could remove the message from the wallet and start a fund from Dash community members?
That's just bullshit. No, he isn't .
If seeing this reminder is inconvenient for you - just imagine how "inconvenient" it is for us. I can't connect to my developer for 8 hrs already.
If you're in the US - call your senator. If you're elsewhere - push your politician.
If you're in Russia - leave ASAP.
Dash MN can't stay neutral, because "neutrality" means support of Ruzzian agression.
And putting informational message - is "taking hostage"
Perfect doublethink. You're already doomed.
Donations can and well should be solicited via third-party sites to be deposited in a Dash wallet for victims of senseless attacks, but a Dash wallet itself should always remain apolotical.
I will also be switching my votes to no pending the removal of this request from an official Dash wallet.
Please take care of yourself, akhvr.
IWhat never ceases to amaze me are the petty arguments,quick judgement and flipping of position certain people use to attack this budget proposal (and you personally), both on social media and in here. Most likely from people not even having a masternode (just whitelisted to comment) or from delegated voters who never paid for a masternode.
Stay strong, stay safe and focus on you and your family surviving this increasingly bloody war that Russia is inflicting on your country.
I check with my people regularly and they're safe to the extent possible.
We will continue to deliver.
https://github.com/akhavr/electrum-dash/wiki/Dash-Electrum-Team-statement-of-Mar-8th-2022
So, me, my family, my wife's family wholeheartedly invite @Amanda_B_Johnson to visit Kharkiv in next few days.
I promise we'll provide full spectrum of experience of "potential dash users" killing civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure.
ETA? :)
In fact your proposition is worsening the peoples suffering it helps their extinction on BOTH sides.!! You should deeply be ashamed
Si tacuisses ......you cynical hypocrite!!!
I think most of the MNOs voting for this proposal time and time again , actually do not make use of the software .
Using masternodetool I was every time able to quickly do what I needed to do , and it is available free of charge .
If there is a place for Dash electrum , let it be in the incubator .
@amanda_b_johnson Thank you for bringing the ukrain propaganda to our attention and making a proper medium post about it .
So, me, my family, my wife's family wholeheartedly invite you, @Amanda_B_Johnson, to visit Kharkiv in next few days.
I promise we'll provide full spectrum of experience of "potential dash users" killing civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure.
ETA? :)
Its only thanks to people like AKHAVR that Dash could become THE peace project for a kind of peace that is NOT "a peaceful concentration camp"! Its not with nice words from another continent or hypocrisy that you will win over that decisive region- but with donations of Dash for the people in dire need fo PRIVATE CASH! And once Dash could show its full competitive capacity to the whole world just by being the choice of the locals - you certainly would judge our man in Ukraine differently!
I fear if you go on and do not see this opportunity for Dash you not only prolongue the war but also miss perhaps the greatest chance for Dash.
See above
The core team could learn something from you about running an effective team anonymously without a bunch of offices, HR, accountants and registered businesses.
Dash should run traditional ads, videos introduction material in Russian, Ukrainian native languages, etc; they need a marketing budget and be on it today, not in a few weeks;
That would be the greatest marketing coup!! You would get good reports about Dash in ALL media going viral!!!
Dash: Private. quick an cheap!!!
Another argument : you give people in Ukraine more options than legal tender to get better through the war and it might be that this time even a fighting central bank could be educated to see the advantages of private currency that helps them to survive:
And it helps also the whole region (ukrainian AND russian people!) to heal the war wounds because people tend to restart first "black market" economic COOPERATION (!) on an individual level in dire cash stripped times and war-times with food and cash shortages. You help them to survive with Cash because the totalitarians can not interfere with and Dash helps to restart just this individual level of local cooperation with "private send" enabling economic freedom and cooperation between normal people and brothers torned apart by a mad tyrant.
private currency is the only one working and helping the individual victim against the giants and tyrants of State Criminality that by far exceed the deeds of the usual criminals who do not destroy thousands of lives and whole countries.
Another aspect:
Its not by just helping the poor the persecuted and displaced victims of state war but also by healing and promoting peaceful commerce and civilized exchange you can get just the opposite of the false narrative that crypto is "used by the usual criminals" who by the way use much more "legal tender" to do their "job".