Proposal “DashElectrumJan2022“ (Closed)Back

Title:Dash Electrum Support and Development Jan 2022
Owner:akhavr
Monthly amount: 121 DASH (5124 USD)
Completed payments: 2 totaling in 242 DASH (1 month remaining)
Payment start/end: 2022-01-11 / 2022-04-10 (added on 2022-01-03)
Final voting deadline: in passed
Votes: 710 Yes / 511 No / 12 Abstain

Proposal description

Electrum is probably the most popular open-source SPV wallet for bitcoin. Early 2017 I've picked up maintenance and support for DASH Electrum.  Since then, I've assembled a small team of three developers.  This is a proposal to fund the continuing development and support for Dash Electrum.

Execution and Schedule:

Work already performed or in progress. Deliverables are released publicly as soon as they are ready.
During next 3 months we plan to work on the following:
  • follow the upstream development
  • fix dash-specific issues (see github)
  • complete alternative mixing capabilities
  • investigate possibilities for DLC contracts, potentially leading a way to implement DeFi on Dash
Amount requested:

After paying Dec salaries, we are short of 25.5804 Dash. 
At current exchange rate of 136.36USD/Dash our run rate is ~110.01 Dash per month.
  • 110.01 Dash * 3 month = 330.03 Dash
  • 5 Dash proposal submission
  • 25.58 Dash deficit
Total: 360.61 Dash or 120.20 Dash per month (121 Dash per month, rounded up)

As usual, in case of DASH appreciation, any leftover funds would be spent to extend the duration of the project. In case of DASH depreciation, we will go into a deficit mode again and will submit a new proposal after the end of this 3 month period.

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Discussion: Should we fund this proposal?

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1 point,5 months ago
Per my sources, Russian "dash users" (c) @Amanda B johnson used #zarin in Mariupol.

Thanks to Dash Protocol "staying neutral"^W^W supporting Russian invasion in Ukraine
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-1 point,6 months ago
Your revenge by removing from github tells us everything we ever needed to know. Very happy you show your true colors. And no, I won't be going to your country to discuss it.
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-1 point,6 months ago
You've decided
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0 points,6 months ago
Putinversteher

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putinversteher
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0 points,6 months ago
WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION REPORTS ON 3/18/2022 THAT RUSSIA HAS ATTACKED 44 HOSPITALS AND MEDICAL FACILITIES IN UKRAINE.

stay neutral further..
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-2 points,6 months ago
How much lower is that than the WHO covid figures?
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0 points,6 months ago
Come to Mariupol, Kharkiv, or Chernihiv to discuss this further.
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1 point,6 months ago
Akhavr, I realize it's extremely difficult for your team right now, but I hope things can still be worked out here in a way for your development and maintenance of Dash Electrum to continue to be funded.

You have now successfully gotten the attention of the masternode owners (MNOs), and we are genuinely sorry for the violent invasion and dangerous situation there in Ukraine. I think several of us MNOs are considering voluntarily raising some community donations to send funds to help people there.

If we MNOs were to make some voluntary donations to this cause, would that help in working things out with your team so that (1) you would agree to remove the donation-request from Dash Electrum software now, and (2) from now on your team would agree not to put any donation requests in Dash Electrum, and to just keep the software agnostic?

If your team can agree to that request, then I'm sure many of us would be happy to continue to fund your team's work.
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1 point,6 months ago
Teams response:

1. We would seriously consider the MNO's commitment to Dash Electrum if this (https://www.dashcentral.org/p/DashElectrumJan2022) proposal would be voted "yes". Otherwise we consider your words to be empty promises. Sorry for the harsh reality.

2. Given (1) we will submit a followup proposal for Dash Electrum funding, and it will include a donation fund. We will spend it on our team's discretion with the main goal to end Russian invasion as soon as possible with the victory on Ukraine side.

3. We will remove the popup between this period voting deadline and May 1st, given we'll see MNO's commitment to this agreement.
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3 points,6 months ago
Thank you for your team's response, but before anything else, we need to address a comment I just saw that you made to someone in the Dash community saying:

"You deserve nuclear war"

It is not appropriate to say things like that here. Your team needs to be well-behaved if you're going to continue to work with this DAO.
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1 point,6 months ago
Well, you need to factor in the harsh conditions are leading to irrational behavior and thoughts. I think he's gone about this the wrong way but, then again, his current thought process could well be down to a stark awareness that he is staring into the face of death.
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-2 points,6 months ago
Also, "you deserve nuclear war" is an objective statement.

What was DAO's reaction when Ruzzian occupation forces captured Chernobul nuclear station and disabled all monitoring there?

What was DAO's reaction when Ruzzian occupation forces captured and started shelling Energodar nuclear station and disabled all monitoring there?

Are you talking about being "well behaving"? You're freaking elves and for your "neutrality" you deserve what you'll get.

idiots..
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0 points,6 months ago
Dash has been here since 2014. Not once has there ever been a "DAO reaction" to any armed conflict, and now suddenly we deserve nuclear war because we don't react to this one? Your country isn't the only one that has gotten fucked by war since 2014. You are delusional. Your personal connection to the current state of affairs is clouding your judgment.
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1 point,6 months ago
"Votes 474 No" is the DAO reaction.
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-3 points,6 months ago
Hey you, elf!

I have an artillery duel within 10 km from my house with my children sleeping.

Go fuck yourself with your "being well behaved".
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2 points,6 months ago
I will discuss with the team
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1 point,6 months ago
Note, that if our team decided to be malicious, we could have easily deploy something like https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2022-23812 or https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H3xPB4PgWeFcHjZ7NOPtrcya_Ua4jUolWm-7z9-jSpQ/htmlview

Instead, we've decided to put just the informational message with the donation link.
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2 points,6 months ago
akhavr is going through trauma like few here have ever experienced in their life. Young children being killed and all the atrocities of war. Do I think he was right to put a message in the wallet? No. Do I understand what he's going through? How could I? But from the glimpse of what I see of what is happening I can completely understand him and I don't see why some here can't. It doesn't even matter if it was the wrong thing to do, he has more important stuff going on, and we as a network do too.

In the end the way I see it is we have two options:

Option A is to cut funding for electrum because of an emotional plea. This will lead to electrum Dash wallet eventually dieing. This is a code base this team strongly understands. DCG doesn't and will not be able to take this over. Dash incubator doesn't either. It dieing wouldn't be catastrophic to our ecosystem, but it's not a good path for the Dash project overall.

Option B is to keep funding them.

I'm voting for B. I don't think akharv did the right thing with this popup, but to me it isn't enough to defund him and his team. I'm looking at his actual work instead and how it benefits the network. https://github.com/akhavr/electrum-dash/commits/master (master is stable, so more recent work shouldn't go there directly and should be a few days behind)

On top of this, we as a network need to realize that if we kick proposal owners when they are down we'll have no one that will actually want to make proposals to the network anymore for reasonable rates.

I am making this comment as a community member and not in anyway as a representative of DCG.
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-2 points,6 months ago
https://t.me/UkraineNow/5610

This IS Ukraine now. I welcome you here to discuss neutrality and eligibility of our team's message.
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-3 points,6 months ago
Talk is cheap, actions are of value.

You're not "sorry for Ukraine", you're afraid. And you hide your fear under "neutrality".

This is already the largest war conflict in Europe since WW2. You won't be able to stay "neutral".

Defunding of the team, working in Ukraine *is* the act of support of the attacker - the Ruzzian federation. And this *won't* be forgotten.

Make your choice wisely.
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-6 points,6 months ago
Russia tries to liberate your shitcountry from a regime of criminal rats, who are threatening the existence and security of Russia.
USA puppet Zelensky and his criminal gang needs to be killed without mercy, and every brainwashed dumbshit fighting for them as well.
I hope Russia soon gonna chop off Zelensky's head and both his hands and send them straight to his warmonger masters in Washington DC.
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0 points,6 months ago
This is an ignorant statement at best! I do not approve of akhavr using this as a platform with some of his comments. But this comment by TheMarshall is unacceptable as well. Dash is agnostic and is and should be neutral. Period.
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3 points,6 months ago
"Russia tries to liberate your shitcountry..."
And there you've already gone wrong. Didn't learn the lessons that the USA learned in Afghanistan and Iraq. "Threatening the existence and security of Russia" is horseshit. You don't fuck with another nation's territorial integrity because you don't like that they have a big dick while yours is tiny and shriveled. No one in Europe wants to invade fucking Russia. I hope you enjoy Russia's global pariah status, and NATO's strengthening as a direct result of Russia's war of aggression.
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-4 points,6 months ago
Obviously, bombing a maternity house is "liberating"...

If this shitpost of "TheMArsall" gets +7 points by MNO's - then MNO's are literally Nazi. And Dash is Nazi coin. I'm pity that I've spent 8 years with this project.

Go to hell
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3 points,6 months ago
There are bot accounts that can upvote... 7 upvote really doesn't mean that 7 actual people voted up.
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4 points,6 months ago
"+7 points by MNO's" does not equal all MNO's. Stop blaming everyone for the actions of a few.
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1 point,6 months ago
You're not in Europe, thank God.
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1 point,6 months ago
akhavr, I'm very sorry about the terrible violent situation you and your devs are experiencing in Ukraine. However, even in these circumstances, Dash's network-sponsored software is not an appropriate place to put a message of political favoritism. Dash is an agnostic currency for everyone - including bad guys.

Terrorists, rapists, pedophiles, oppressors, violent aggressors, and every horrible person is welcome to use Dash just the same as anybody else. Dash is a free and open currency that completely stays away from favoritism. Dash does not agree or disagree with any opinion about anybody. Dash is just money.

Will you please remove any political messages of opinion or favoritism from Dash Electrum, and please never put those type of messages there in the future?
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1 point,6 months ago
Come to Kharkiv, let's discuss political favoritism :)
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-1 point,6 months ago
You're not taking my request seriously. :(

Dash software does not favor only virtuous people or victims. Our software is agnostic. Please separate your personal political concerns and needs from the work you do for Dash. Otherwise our network will not be able to support and fund your work.

Again, I'm very sorry about the violence happening in Ukraine.
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0 points,6 months ago
Let's discuss seriousness here, in Ukraine? Come, I'll host you :)

Talk is cheap, actions are of value.

You're not sorry, you're afraid. And you hide your fear under "neutrality".

Defunding of the team, working in Ukraine *is* the act of support of the attacker - the Ruzzian federation.
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0 points,6 months ago
Why do you spend so much time and effort here repeatedly throwing guilt trips? Don't you have more important things to do?
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-1 point,6 months ago
You still can't see the difference. Despicable. Don't let the door hit you on the way out
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-1 point,6 months ago
This guy has been passive aggressive in all of his reponses , also way before any war started .
It is how he is , it is the way he communicates .

I tried to help him with the software once , cause I found many bugs every time I tried the electrum wallet .
He was not receptive .
Not only that , he was even quite aggressive and rude .

Since that time I am voting against this project .

He is way too aggressive in his communication , condescending , trying to school you . Time and time again . Most masternodes apparently do not see it , until recently .

Then , his work just isn't up there quality wise .

The combination of these 2 things is simply bad .

IF Dash electrum is really needed and used by people (not me as the software never properly worked for me and I was finding bugs every time i tried it) , put it in the incubator .
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0 points,6 months ago
Dude, where are yours PR's? "Help"...
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2 points,6 months ago
Can all these people pearl clutching about akhavr having opinions about a neighboring nation invading his country please explain to me when Dash has ever been neutral?

Have we all forgotten Ben Swann? The libertarian dude we paid millions to set up his own studio who got fired from his last job for reporting the Hillary Clinton raped kids in a pizza parlor?

What about the time we paid a small time politician to print off copies of his book and put them in peoples mailboxes?

Or the time we paid some people who made memes on the R_TheDonald to put the dash logo in their "libertarian" memes.

We have never been neutral. It is a noble ideal to strive for and we should walk that line as well as we can, but this doesn't even require us to stray from that line, as masternoodle said "...one individually developed wallet ≠ Dash..."

I have issues with Electrum, I don't think the user experience is very good, and I think Akhvar charges too much money for it, but this is some dumb BS.
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1 point,6 months ago
Re UX - we try to stick to the upstream Electrum experience.

If this is an issue, we can work on a different skin. For me, personally, on the desktop, it's fine. But I'm just a stubborn Ukrainian developer :)
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0 points,6 months ago
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1503053699798769666.html
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-2 points,6 months ago
This is not the first time this PO has effectively taken the electrum wallet hostage. If you recall in 2019 akhvar had the PrivateSend code for Electrum that was already paid for by the DAO, but he refused to release it unless the NEXT proposal was funded.

https://www.dashcentral.org/p/DashElectrumDec2019

Stop being a presumptuous, entitled shit. We paid you hundreds of thousands of dollars to develop a DASH WALLET. This is not a charity and it certainly is not a platform for you to funnel money into a war zone. There are plenty of crimes against humanity going on in Palestine for years and we don't embed links to help the innocent people there either do we. Because the Dash wallet software has nothing to do with it. If the crimes against humanity are happening in your backyard and to your neighbors and family, then maybe you should be fighting in the war instead of developing wallets.
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0 points,6 months ago
Lies, outrageous lies, and comments on DashCentral :)

>Execution and Schedule:

> Work already performed or in progress. Deliverables are released publicly as soon as they are ready.

Which means "you pay for already delivered stuff"
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0 points,6 months ago
You withheld the delivery because your funding for the next cycle was at risk, and by extension intentionally made it harder for another team to be able to pick up where you left off in case you were de-funded. And now again you are trying to manipulate the network by guilt tripping us with war images in Ukraine. You think because you are a legitimate victim of war crimes, that this makes it okay to use the Electrum wallet for a purpose that doesn't belong there. And you would rather have the Electrum wallet de-funded (and "hurt the Dash network itself" in your own words) than remove the message. I don't trust you anymore. What else are you willing to do to damage the Dash network if it will benefit you?
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0 points,6 months ago
I'm not a victim

You are

Have a good time :)
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-1 point,6 months ago
I'm not the one spamming damaged buildings and dead people, calling it the "price of neutrality"
You overstepped, and instead of correcting your mistake and finding a more appropriate place to raise awareness and funds, you label all who disagree with your action as "supporting RuZZian aggression"
I'm done with your gaslighting.
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-1 point,6 months ago
I agree, it's unfortunate it's come to this but I think he's dug his own hole.
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0 points,6 months ago
Price of neutrality (PSA: graphical) https://t.me/PCU_PoliceControlUkraine/13793
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1 point,6 months ago
Instead of pushing emotional guilt trips to defend payments to yourself, I can't figure out why you haven't posted a "Donate to Ukraine" proposal. I mean, you have the conviction, right? So what's holding you back?
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0 points,6 months ago
...by this I mean an humanitarian aid package, not weapons
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1 point,6 months ago
The best way to provide humanitarian aid package is to kill as much of Ruzzian army as fast as possible.
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0 points,6 months ago
There you go again. You're so motivated to kill others yet not so motivated to construct a proposal for aid. You're not seeing what harm you are doing to your credibility. Luckily for you, having to endure this war is giving you some leeway.

But I think at this point you may of burned the bridges that might of saved you in the future. From here on, I'm not sure I could trust this wallet under your development in case malicious code is placed into binaries to further your ends. The irony that I am now open to other developers to take your place, and that includes peaceful Russian developers.
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0 points,6 months ago
Before and after. Price of neutrality.

https://t.me/voynareal/12227
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1 point,6 months ago
Price of neutrality: children sleeping in the bomb shelter

https://twitter.com/avalaina/status/1502208824144535555
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3 points,6 months ago
To all the folks saying Dash should stay neutral, not have political commentary etc.

Besides the obvious fact that one individually developed wallet ≠ Dash, I'd say I normally agree. Dash should not get involved in politics - Democrats vs. Republicans, taxes and spending up or down - this sort of thing. What we're talking about here is not one of those things. This is not politics. It is a very real matter of life or death for millions of people.

I've seen the Russian attempts to explain and justify this ruthless invasion - nazism, nationalists, Ukrainian attacks. Much of it is easily debunked if you spend any time on Bellingcat or other fact-checking sites. NONE of it justifies full-blown war indiscriminately attacking the entire civilian population and infrastructure of a free country.

If you are "staying neutral" in the face of such violent aggression, you become complicit. Imagine your mom/sister/child getting attacked by a violent thug and you just look the other way because ... "I need to stay neutral!"

McDonald's, Starbucks, Coca Cola, Netflix, Sony, Ford, GM, BMW, VW, Microsoft, Google, Samsung, Amazon and many more corporate icons, who usually put profit above everything, took a stand in this case and gave up business in Russia, neutrality be damned. Apparently they have more spine than some Dash MNOs.

Hell, even notoriously neutral Switzerland threw neutrality to the wind and joined global sanctions against this aggressor. Unprecedented in 500 years!

And here we have all these holier-than-thou folks, typing from the comfort of their warm homes, getting all up in a huff about a dev, who has the world around him getting bombed into rubble, asking for help through his product?

Really??
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0 points,6 months ago
Thank you for understanding.
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-3 points,6 months ago
Ha, you actually believe China / Russia / Iran actually give a shit that Europe and the US willfully choose not to compete. Like, which resource do you think they can't live without? You think voids are never filled? From the clothes on your back to the phone in your hand, literally have China and Russia written all over them. The stupid tit for tat games will easily blowback with either local scarcity or local over supply, take your pick. The manipulation of markets can not be maintained without repercussions, but go ahead and see how costly your principles are. Perhaps you already forgot how costly covid restrictions were on economies, amazing how people hold two diametric views in their head at the same time.
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0 points,6 months ago
Price of your neutrality https://discord.com/channels/484546513507188745/484598595761209345/951789320493232128

Rocket strike on Baryshivka tonight. ~20km from me. 15 houses destroyed. No military targets.
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0 points,6 months ago
https://t.me/UkraineNow/4730
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1 point,6 months ago
Price of your "neutrality" https://discord.com/channels/484546513507188745/484598595761209345/951565759992197181
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-1 point,6 months ago
Copying from discord, where it can be censored. Sorry for typos.

@Tao of Satoshi let me try to explain how your, @Troydash, and @Amanda call to defund Dash Electrum in spirit of "staying neutral" ARE hurting both our team, our ability to fight off invasion, and Dash Network itself.

Besides outright lie by @Amanda, I see at https://www.dashcentral.org/p/DashElectrumJan2022 that we will be defunded, if nothing will change.

Therefore, instead of
1. continue to deliver bugfixes and features for Dash Electrum and Dash Network in whole by keeping running a well-oiled development and release process
2. help volunteers to coordinate a fucked up logistitcs and evacuation efforts
3. help volunteers to coordinate supply of humanitarian and military gear to fight off the aggression

I have to do much more
- pause development of Dash Electrum
- raise fund to keep team alive until we'll get to a different project
- lock on such different project, which 100% will be NOT in Dash

Therefore you can kiss goodbye to :
- DLC in dash
- DEX in dash, including uncensorable dash<->stablecoins conversion
- DAO and insurance funds in Dash

So, by "staying neutral" and calling Dash Network to "stay neutral" you actually support agreZZion and hurt Dash.

Choice is yours. PERSONALLY.

And - karma is a bitch
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2 points,6 months ago
And my response:

“Just remove the message and start a fund for Dash community members to contribute to. Why die on this hill? The network will find another group to maintain Electrum. You’re going about this the wrong way, and frankly it doesn’t reflect well on you. Why should Dash take a side here when we remain neutral in Palestine, Yemen, China and others? Where does it stop? Dash must and will remain neutral. Its community members, not so. Start a fund and remove the message.”
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0 points,6 months ago
Yes, exactly this. MSM telling us how innocent and loving Ukraine is while we conveniently forget Yemen et al.

I have been pondering the future of DAOs and I wonder if, within the next couple of years, we will see specific Dark War DAOs. I don't think dash will go down that path but I think we can now see how driven some people are to make this happen.
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-2 points,6 months ago
@TaoOfSatoshi @GrandMasterDash @TroyDash

When I can expect you in Kharkiv and/or Mariupol? I'm sure my friends there will gladly show you what your neutrality means.

Not even Elves. Spineless amoebas.
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1 point,6 months ago
Ha, you keep repeating these same words to everyone, knowing full well it's not going to happen. Trust me, when the war comes to me, the last thing on my mind will be emotional blackmail.
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1 point,6 months ago
You're starting to sound as bad as Zelensky himself; proclaiming that others aren't doing enough and projecting future doom. I can't tell if it's desperation or exploitation. You had a choice, you could of been humble and thankful for all the dash network had done for you to date.

Total received to date:
https://mnowatch.org/proposalowners/?po=akhavr

No one is going to hate you for not working during such traumatic times, but the more you lay on this emotional abuse, the less inclined I am to switch my vote.

Now, are you denying you said, "though the best way to help them is to stop the war by killing as much Russian army as possible"?

But no, instead of hating on the people that forced you to stay and fight... you chose to promote the killing of others and you want to inject your voice by association into the minds of customers that the dash network handed to you.
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0 points,6 months ago
".. for all the dash network had done for you to date"

Thank you my overlord, thank you (bowing)
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-1 point,6 months ago
Stop bowing, I'm not going to knight you.

But yeah, not ONCE since this started have you been thankful for all that was granted to you. But you're happy to leverage the dash customer base to your own persuasions.
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-2 points,6 months ago
Price of "neutrality" - missile attack on dormitory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIg_iyYN83k
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-2 points,6 months ago
Those, who are too afraid and call for "neutrality" - check this family that's trying to evacuate from Irpin under Russian fire

https://t.me/kyiv_politycnyi/9083

If you're "neutral" - you support RuZZian aggression
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0 points,6 months ago
“If you’re neutral you support RuZZian aggression”

I can understand your feelings about this issue, I share them. I personally am not neutral. I hope Russia’s leaders pay dearly for the damage they’ve caused to so many lives. I hope Ukraine holds out and sends Z with their tails between their legs back to Russia.

However, we must separate this event from the neutral medium of exchange that Dash is. You are essentially speaking for the DAO by taking this action in a DAO-funded wallet. This is unacceptable to me as my position is for Dash to maintain neutrality. It remains to be seen whether the rest of the network feels the same as me.

Perhaps you could remove the message from the wallet and start a fund from Dash community members?
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0 points,6 months ago
> You are essentially speaking for the DAO by taking this action in a DAO-funded wallet.

That's just bullshit. No, he isn't .
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0 points,6 months ago
I've already set up our condition: the moment when Russian army will leave our land and politicians will be talking about reparations - we'll release an update w/o this message.

If seeing this reminder is inconvenient for you - just imagine how "inconvenient" it is for us. I can't connect to my developer for 8 hrs already.

If you're in the US - call your senator. If you're elsewhere - push your politician.
If you're in Russia - leave ASAP.

Dash MN can't stay neutral, because "neutrality" means support of Ruzzian agression.
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0 points,6 months ago
Agree to disagree.
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-1 point,6 months ago
This does not look well on you to take a Dash-funded wallet hostage, no matter what the conditions. I hope you can overcome this to secure future funding.
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2 points,6 months ago
I don't think you understand the meaning of the term "take hostage". I always thought English was your first language?
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2 points,6 months ago
So Russian army killing us is "potential Dash users".
And putting informational message - is "taking hostage"

Perfect doublethink. You're already doomed.
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-3 points,6 months ago
By declaring your "neutrality" you support this https://t.me/kyiv_politycnyi/9086
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0 points,7 months ago
While my heart goes out to Ukraine and the victims of Russian aggression, I have to side with those who maintain it is not the place of a Dash wallet to advertise for donations for one side of a conflict. Dash as a medium of exchange must remain neutral.

Donations can and well should be solicited via third-party sites to be deposited in a Dash wallet for victims of senseless attacks, but a Dash wallet itself should always remain apolotical.

I will also be switching my votes to no pending the removal of this request from an official Dash wallet.

Please take care of yourself, akhvr.
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3 points,7 months ago
Nothing has changed for me with regards to funding this budget proposal, it still has my full support as i see Dash Electrum as software providing a good service to the Dash network.

IWhat never ceases to amaze me are the petty arguments,quick judgement and flipping of position certain people use to attack this budget proposal (and you personally), both on social media and in here. Most likely from people not even having a masternode (just whitelisted to comment) or from delegated voters who never paid for a masternode.

Stay strong, stay safe and focus on you and your family surviving this increasingly bloody war that Russia is inflicting on your country.
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1 point,7 months ago
Thanks.
I check with my people regularly and they're safe to the extent possible.
We will continue to deliver.
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-1 point,6 months ago
Dash should not ever have political commentary in the official wallet software.
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0 points,6 months ago
This wasn't political commentary. It was a call for help.
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3 points,6 months ago
Sure. In what way is this official wallet software?
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-1 point,6 months ago
The funding for the support and development of this wallet comes directly from the Dash DAO. As such, the request for aid is essentially being funded by Dash. This is not acceptable to me and I’m willing to bet quite a few others.
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3 points,6 months ago
the funding is very clearly for the development of specific things outlined in the proposals. The network/dao does not own the application. There is nothing official about it. If the Devs had a message saying otherwise that would be very concerning. As far as I can tell they are very clear that it is from the Devs of the wallet. You can find it not acceptable without thinking it is somehow an "official" statement.
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0 points,7 months ago
Dash Electrum team official statement as of Mar 8th 2022

https://github.com/akhavr/electrum-dash/wiki/Dash-Electrum-Team-statement-of-Mar-8th-2022
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-1 point,7 months ago
BTW , relatives of my wife are in Kharkiv right now.

So, me, my family, my wife's family wholeheartedly invite @Amanda_B_Johnson to visit Kharkiv in next few days.
I promise we'll provide full spectrum of experience of "potential dash users" killing civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure.

ETA? :)
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2 points,7 months ago
I've written a post about two substantial benefits MNOs might consider regarding a potential de-funding of this proposal: https://medium.com/@abjinbox/dfo-in-serious-distress-should-be-relieved-from-commitment-4b30d146fe29
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1 point,6 months ago
Amanda i always admired and supported you in the past: But with this statement you come out as the typical western type of "useful idiot" (as Lenin would say). You are worse than the apeasement politicians like Chamberlain in 1938 ( famous for his "MunichAgreement" or betrayal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement) that HELPED TO START world war II by ceding Czechoslovakia to Hitler who despised "weak" democracies all the more and concluded wrongly that no one would stop him. But you are even worse: you are a cynical hypocrite sitting well fed (without children?) in a warm and secure place well shielded on another kontinent. You suggestion is like recommending to a Warsaw Ghetto jew to take a sabbatical and forbid him to ask for help against the gestapo uber-killers. The Ukrainians had their 5 Mio deaths in the Sowjet Holodomor. But you seem not only to be without historical knowledge and political education but you also lack knowlege of the economics of war for locals (Russians AND Ukrainians alike).To send Dash means more than to help fight the Russian soldiers. In fact it helps REAL lokaL russian and ukrainian "Dash users" who are both stripped from cash and goods that they need for SURVIVING, rebuilding and cooperation in peace by enabling civilized commerce.You have nothing understood of Mises although you claimed to be a follower.
In fact your proposition is worsening the peoples suffering it helps their extinction on BOTH sides.!! You should deeply be ashamed
Si tacuisses ......you cynical hypocrite!!!
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-1 point,6 months ago
The wallet has been tried by me a few times over the past years . Never worked well and I always stumbled upon critical bugs . When reaching out to the proposal owner , he was always very hostile towards any comments/critique .
I think most of the MNOs voting for this proposal time and time again , actually do not make use of the software .

Using masternodetool I was every time able to quickly do what I needed to do , and it is available free of charge .

If there is a place for Dash electrum , let it be in the incubator .

@amanda_b_johnson Thank you for bringing the ukrain propaganda to our attention and making a proper medium post about it .
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-1 point,7 months ago
BTW , relatives of my wife are in Kharkiv right now.

So, me, my family, my wife's family wholeheartedly invite you, @Amanda_B_Johnson, to visit Kharkiv in next few days.
I promise we'll provide full spectrum of experience of "potential dash users" killing civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure.

ETA? :)
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1 point,7 months ago
Thanks for that summary Amanda, I am voting NO on this proposal also. I would like to ask the PO to join the Dash Incubator for future funding for this wallet. Any new proposal he raises I will vote NO on as well. The incubator is the right place for a small boutique operation like this. Cheers!
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-3 points,7 months ago
I welcome you too to visit Kharkiv. See above :)
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2 points,7 months ago
I will be removing my support of Dash Electrum until the message requesting funds for Ukraine is deleted from the app, does not belong there and was presumptuous to place it there.
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1 point,6 months ago
Imagine how a war with Nazi Germany would have ended with not enough weapons on the other side. Kind of "peaceful" concentration camp! Don't forget : to have somebody working for Dash in Ukrainia -the country and region where local people (ukranian and russian!) will decide which kind of cryptocurrency helps best to built up a new life and survive and do commerce peacefully with each other and rebuild peace in that destroyed region is THE litmus test- Dash will not participate in that competition if people living there don't get access as they do to bitcoin, polkadot and other cryptos.
Its only thanks to people like AKHAVR that Dash could become THE peace project for a kind of peace that is NOT "a peaceful concentration camp"! Its not with nice words from another continent or hypocrisy that you will win over that decisive region- but with donations of Dash for the people in dire need fo PRIVATE CASH! And once Dash could show its full competitive capacity to the whole world just by being the choice of the locals - you certainly would judge our man in Ukraine differently!
I fear if you go on and do not see this opportunity for Dash you not only prolongue the war but also miss perhaps the greatest chance for Dash.
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-2 points,7 months ago
I welcome you too to visit Kharkiv :)
See above
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0 points,7 months ago
O no , definately not .
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1 point,8 months ago
Always yes x16.

The core team could learn something from you about running an effective team anonymously without a bunch of offices, HR, accountants and registered businesses.
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-1 point,6 months ago
You are absolutely right!
Dash should run traditional ads, videos introduction material in Russian, Ukrainian native languages, etc; they need a marketing budget and be on it today, not in a few weeks;
That would be the greatest marketing coup!! You would get good reports about Dash in ALL media going viral!!!
Dash: Private. quick an cheap!!!
Another argument : you give people in Ukraine more options than legal tender to get better through the war and it might be that this time even a fighting central bank could be educated to see the advantages of private currency that helps them to survive:
And it helps also the whole region (ukrainian AND russian people!) to heal the war wounds because people tend to restart first "black market" economic COOPERATION (!) on an individual level in dire cash stripped times and war-times with food and cash shortages. You help them to survive with Cash because the totalitarians can not interfere with and Dash helps to restart just this individual level of local cooperation with "private send" enabling economic freedom and cooperation between normal people and brothers torned apart by a mad tyrant.
private currency is the only one working and helping the individual victim against the giants and tyrants of State Criminality that by far exceed the deeds of the usual criminals who do not destroy thousands of lives and whole countries.
Another aspect:
Its not by just helping the poor the persecuted and displaced victims of state war but also by healing and promoting peaceful commerce and civilized exchange you can get just the opposite of the false narrative that crypto is "used by the usual criminals" who by the way use much more "legal tender" to do their "job".
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1 point,8 months ago
Yes from me.
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1 point,8 months ago
Critical DAO infrastructure, yes, as always.
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-1 point,6 months ago
Obviously, Dash Electrum isn't a critical dao infrastructure anymore :)
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