Welcome!

This proposal seems to have the strong support of a monero troll who is singularly focused on harming the DAO. Voting No.

Nice username, very fitting. You guys are the true monero trolls as told by your use of the monero calling card, projection. How can funding proposals like this be 'harming the DAO'? Trolls and shills always use irrational 'reasoning' because if you fall for that, its your fault for being stupid.

Your constant nagging / whining / spamming support for this proposal and the same against many others is proof enough that you are financially benefiting directly from this proposal. I'm voting no to make sure you don't see your pay day

I have never recieved any payment for any of my comments here or for supporting proposals. You have no proof of that, neither do you have any proof that this proposal should be defunded. In short, you are behaving punitively without cause, which is bad acting. Thank you for identifying yourself as a troll.

Your constant spam is proof enough for me. Walls of text and making discussion on other proposals impossible is proof of bad acting / trolling. No payment for you today

>Your constant spam is proof enough for me.

The fact that you guys want to hide this conversation by calling it "spam" is all the proof I need. Plus the last times I defeated you exposed your shill motivations.

>making discussion on other proposals impossible is proof of bad acting / trolling

1. Commenters can't prevent other commenters from commenting so your accusation must be false

2. I only comment in response to others. You're a HYPOCRITE! You never said anything about GMD even though all he had to do was show his forum badge as proof of MN ownership. Instead he ACTUALLY spammed 170 comments just to give cover to guys like agnew who DOES NOT HAVE A MN.

3. Supporting these things (by giving agnew cover and refusing to call out GMD for the same 'violation' you are calling me out for) is indicative of you being a bad actor.

Settle down troll - you missed your gravy train this month.
Maybe next month will yield better results

https://reports.dashwatch.org/AUG21/Dash-Mall.pdf

I don't know if the Dash Mall people are milking Dash, and really wish we had nonbiased direct information like when Rodrigo visited Venezuela. But the spirit of this moves me to vote yes. Please keep us updated on how it goes, keep track, and I wish you luck. Unfortunately, successful or not with this venture, I am unlikely to support it again without your honest reporting on how the venture is working out (how many deliveries, show transactions, etc) but I will be supportive in the future even if you only average a few transactions a day or possibly less, because the idea is great. Please keep us updated and don't fear being honest. It's hard to start a new project.

They have 8000 transactions over the last 3 months so your comment is definitely FUD.

I will ask you for the third and final time, have you ever been received payment for your comments here?

I have difficulty understanding why this proposal and the other MAP proposal (actually the best two proposals we have right now - and by far!) are deliberately being downvoted?

Seems like mission accomplished for all the Dash haters and Monero shills who have infiltrated our DAO in order to sabotage Dash from within.

There is no other Team out there that has done and accomplished more on the ground than Yoana&Co. !
It really makes me sick to my stomach watching how most other MNO cast their votes.

Right. This is called gaslighting. Monero trolls attack our DAOs because they're jealous of our success and growth. Also, BCH, NANO, LTC, all the major old coins are allied against us because we embarassed them. Just like Joel Valenzuela and his minions (kanuuker, agnew, solarguy) are against this proposal because they made the U.S. teams look TERRIBLE.

Joel was getting 320 Dash PER MONTH for years, and we only have 4,500 active android wallets in the U.S. region. These guys got 1/10TH of that and grew into this amazing service that is visible nowhere else. You can see from both TaoOfSatoshi's recent comments and TanteStefanas, as well as Agnewpickens, that there is a cabal of MNOs and non-MNOs (agnew) alike who are colluding together to defund our DAOs in Venezuela, likely to give our competition 'time to catch up'

I'm giving you guys the benefit of the doubt this round. I'm not too concerned with path to sustainability. Startups can take a long time to become profitable, esp. when you reinvest earnings in growth. And if you really deliver users and transactions, I'd be happy to keep funding it for a long time.

But I'm also not sure if you actually deliver that growth. I'd like to see evidence for the claimed transactions. I'd like to see a Dash Watch report or some other verification.

Videos like https://twitter.com/bicibikeve/status/1438531716201730050 are nice, but they are obviously made for promotional purposes and even if that one transaction shown is real, it's still only one. Besides, I noticed on 1:06 in the video, the lady supposedly paying with Dash has the Receive screen open in her wallet. It doesn't actually show any Dash transaction.

So please show evidence of actual traction if you'd like to keep my support. If you can't openly publish sensitive business data, please let Dash Watch take a look.

I have asked this of the VE team before and will ask again. What is the path to profitability here? When can the network expect these DFOs to become self-sustaining?

You don't have a masternode so you shouldn't be commenting here. What's more, nobody owes you any answers or explanations. This place is for MNOs and the current PO ONLY! You are disrepecting the will of the MNOs, and thus the Dash Network, by trying to force us to engage with you when you don't have a MN.

I am a voting delegate and was not addressing you.

You are NOT A MNO so you definitely shouldn't comment here or address me at all. We did not accept for 'voting delegates' to comment here, you can only comment because you had a proposal previously that failed. That is a conflict of interest and you SHAME YOURSELF and DISREPECT the MNOs by refusing to stop abusing that loophole.

I think I'm going to apply that filter Sidem made for the Dash community to filter your comments, my question still stands and I have viotes to cast, Eat a giant plate of shut the fuck up, you are doing more damage than good for Dash VE teams, I have legitmate questions and votes, and you are not helping their case by butting in, if I were Yoana, I would ask you to stop "helping" their team.

Not even a projection? Does the team at least have some revenue numbers to report?

I'm officially blowing the whistle on Joel Valenzuela. It is inappropriate to have him as a moderator of any official dash discords or other communication venues. I was just banned from #mno on the discord channel by Joel because I refused to move the discussion to the '#thunderdome", which is their private curated walled-garden.

I wanted to speak to the MNOs and convince them to support DashMallandParking and DashDeliveryService. So I made a friendly post in #mno asking for support. Immediately Xkcd and Ceti attacked me as you can see in this screenshot:

https://imgur.com/a/X1WaUtD

Quoting theman2121 (my discord username):

>Good morning fellow MNOs! I'm here today to advocate for the DashDeliveryService and DashMallandParking proposals. The voting deadline is coming up and I want to return support for these proposals to their original levels so that we can continue to maintain our significant lead in Venezuela.

The country that is experiencing the greatest need for cryptocurrencies, and in which Dash is currently the leader. What are the objections to these two proposals currently?

Quoting Xkcd
> Oh the two proposals pissing money down the drain and not having anything to show for it? Jog along, boy. We're not being fooled this time.

> ceti
The monero troll 'theman' returns

Now, as you can see, that is completely inappropriate behavior. But that was their first response to me. Ceti called me a 'monero troll' with absolutely no evidence, and against all the mountain of evidence that I have fought quite hard against monero. And xkcd used an 'agist' attack, attempting to look down on me due to my youth, even though we're probably around the same age.

This is not only completely inappropriate behavior, but its also against the rules of MNO. Joel, however, allowed them to behave this way and continue to call me names. Then, when I refused to 'move to the thunderdome', Joel banned me from the entire discord. This is corrupt behavior and it exemplifies exactly what I was talking about in his proposal.

Joel willingly baited and banned a MNO preventing the rest of the network from seeing the opposite opinion. Xkcd never answered my questions, he just kept attacking DashMallAndparking calling them liars and other names, and the same to me. All in an attempt to bait me into "calling him names too" so that they can say, "either go to the thunderdome or be banned".

This is censorship guys and Joel should not be in the position he is in. Its a huge conflict of interest to both be an 'all powerful discord moderator' as well as having a large proposal. If I'm correct, these allegations represent a much more serious breach of the network trust than I've indicated heretofore.

I'm against moderation and censorship.

However, you haven't given any actual reasons MallAndPark etc. are legit.

Oh, check the imgur. First, I want to say that the burden of proof isn't actually on me, its on those who are against DMP. Might seem like a quibble, but its actually critically important: if you don't assign burden of proof properly, you can't argue reasonably. "How many times did you beat your wife last night?" for example.

So, if you want to defund DMP, the burden of proof is on you to show why they shouldn't be funded. Not the other way around. Just like DCG and other DAOs, if they're funded then that means we should fund them unless something comes up to justify defunding them.

Nothing of the sort has come up for DMP and DashDeliveryService. In fact, quite the opposite. In the imgur I linked you can see this video:

https://twitter.com/bicibikeve/status/1438531716201730050

This is a video shared by the CEO of bicibike, a Venezuelan service equivalent to Uber Eats. It shows someone paying for goods using Dash (i.e. adoption, i.e. the thing we're all supposed to be working for) and having these items delivered.

A Dash exclusive service that provides growth potential is a very solid reason to believe they're 'legit'. There is no where near as much proof for other DAOs as there are for DMP. So by gaslighting the network and continually trying to defund them, shills start the argument off irrationally and unreasonably.

If you attack someone that doesn't deserve it then it becomes difficult to work. I'm having trouble even arguing against this side because, how can you argue against someone who is being irrational? You're supposed to justify defunding DAOs, you're not supposed to attack them and fud them religiously until they're defunded. That's trollish behavior.

I wanted to "offer simple points on what makes the DashDeliveryService project worthwhile to fund" How about we give this a try:

https://twitter.com/bicibikeve/status/1438531716201730050

Proof of on the ground delivery service delivering everyday goods and services with seamless Dash payment. How's that?

Remember, if you reject this as evidence you MUST EXPLAIN WHY otherwise you're not serving properly as a MNO.

You have Dash being used on the ground in Venezuela in a capacity that no other coin can even come close to replicating. Dash, due to its easy and instant transactions is able to be used seamlessly to pay for goods and services to be delivered to the doorstep in Venezuela.

That alone should be enough reason to support this proposal. No other coin, and no other country have this much adoption. Let's vote Yes! And continue supporting this team and their innovative and sharp efforts in Venezuela, the country that needs cryptocurrency the mostt!

No.

Reason?

This is a NO from me sadly, you have not provided a budget, you have not shown any evidence of usage of this service. We have no idea how your business model is to become self-reliant, we have no idea how you intend to spend the requested funds.

The DAO can better allocate this DASH.

You're wrong and you're lying. You don't have these stringent data reporting requirements for any of the other proposals you've supported in the past (I checked). You are using this as a way to atatck your economic competition while pretending to be 'an old man'. You should be ashamed of yourself for being a self-serving scum-sucking idiot.

Oh again with the pleasantries, I've read the updated Description of this proposal and still I see no evidence this is effective, has adoption and is on a path to self sustainability, I will be voting NO on this proposal together with the mall one too.

>Oh again with the pleasantries

You start off with the FUD, then you meet the FUD hammer.

>still I see no evidence this is effective

There is plenty of evidence, but its impossible to get a man to see WHAT HE IS PAID TO IGNORE. You repeatedly ignore their advancements because you are dishonest and have ulterior motives.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/njzqcz/deutsche_welle_references_to_dash_as_dash/

https://www.dw.com/en/venezuelans-try-to-beat-hyperinflation-with-cryptocurrency-revolution/a-57219083

https://twitter.com/Dashpay/status/1399768993515376640

Just for starters. Also,

https://twitter.com/DashMallParking/status/1426378515667161094/photo/1

3500 payments per month in Venezuela. A portion (~20%) of which are paid with the DashDelivery service. These services ACCEPT DASH DIRECTLY AND PROVIDE DELIVERY. You are DELIBERATELY IGNORING THIS WHICH PROVES YOU ARE A BAD ACTOR.

Also, you can watch ANY ONE of the 7 videos on their home page below which CLEARLY show people paying with DASH in parking lots

https://dashmallparking.com/

Like in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9m3wnSY5Lo&t=4s

This is the same proposal owner as DashMallAndParking and they have provided MUCH PROOF of their work and successes. NOWHERE ELSE in the ENTIRE WORLD can you pay directly with DASH as much as Venezuela. Not even NH and that's supposed to be where Joel Valenzuela, who got 320 Dash a month, is from.

So you're COMPLETELY FULL OF SHIT when you say you don't see any evidence this is effective. You are, like I said, a LIAR!