Proposal “Dash-Venezuela-from-Oct-2018-to-Feb-2019“ (Active)Back

Title:Dash Venezuela - Oct 2018 - Feb 2019 - Countrywide massive adoption strategy
Owner:algodonfranelas
Monthly amount: 215 DASH (23776 USD)
Completed payments: 2 totaling in 430 DASH (3 month remaining)
Payment start/end: 2018-09-17 / 2019-02-13 (added on 2018-09-09)
Votes: 887 Yes / 118 No / 11 Abstain
Will be funded: Yes
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0 points,26 days ago
Dash Watch October 25th 2018 Report on
Dash Venezuela - Oct 2018 - Feb 2019 by algodonfranelas
http://bit.ly/DWDashVenezuelaOCT18
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2 points,27 days ago
These people will keep promising us for the next years the wonderful countrywide massive adoption... and it never happens... how come? Maybe a population that is starving, has no money and is without electricity has other preferences than thinking about in which cryptocurrency to make payments... Maybe gringo greenhorns should't wire funds into a place where everything is state-controlled. The regime is just taking advantage of us !!!
Has actually anybody thought of the bad press Dash will be getting in the future when it comes out how we all (inadvertently) helped the nasty regime down there. It is all not smart !
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3 points,29 days ago
Hi Eugenia,
We have attempted to contact both you and Dash Venezuela multiple times this month on Discord, both by public and private message, which is the communication method that you requested. We have also reached out to you via Telegram. We have received no response. If you are opting out of Dash Watch reporting, please inform us here.

The deadline for October reporting is today at 11:59 pacific time. We will not be accepting a late submission again this cycle.

This is to ensure that we have adequate time to review your submission and that we can present complete reports to MNOs in time for them to make informed votes. This time also allows Dash Watch to address additional questions raised by MNOs before the close of the voting deadline.

Thank you,
Dash Watch
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1 point,27 days ago
Don't disturb Eugenia. She is busy spending the money... With a monthly salary 200 times the countries' average that can take a while... Thanks to the Dash community that falls for the illusion of a "massive adoption" in a communist dictatorship. Results will be zero... MONEY LOST !
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0 points,28 days ago
Happy to confirm Eugenia has made contact with her Dash Watch liaison and is providing an update for October
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1 point,1 month ago
also localbitcoins is severely outcompeting dash in venez! BTC/vez pair is getting way more volume than the DASH/vez pair. What strategies have for DASH/vez to overtake BTC/vez?
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0 points,27 days ago
Exactly !!! Everything is being done on Localbitcoins in BTC.
And the second competitor is the government-promoted Petro (which is crap, we know that), bu if you suddenly get your salary paid in Petro, people just don't have a choice.
DASH IS JUST BEING ABUSED IN VENEZUELA TO BRING THE KNOW-HOW DOWN THERE. Eventually the regime pushes its own agenda...
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2 points,1 month ago
Lot of focus on merchants. What about focusing more on savings/savers?
That the crisis in Vz is consumers need a new product for savings (ie. Dash). And that there is no crisis with regards to spending at merchants. In fact the current setup of consumers spending VEZ currency from their debit cards at merchants is good because they are able to spend their bad money that they earn (spend bad money, save good money). That merchant adoption could be focused more on in 2019, after there is a widespread adoption of Dash for savings.
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2 points,1 month ago
a) what about dash billboards?
b) billboard could read "Dash Dinero Digitale para ahorros a corto, mediano y largo plazo. Protege el poder adquisitivo de tus ahorros." --> ("Dash Digital Cash for short-term, medium-term, and long-term savings. Protect the purchasing power of your savings.")
c) With link to most suitable website underneath (say dashhelpme.io)
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-1 point,1 month ago
YES..lets maintain the presence.
Venezuela needs to drop it socialist schtick.
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0 points,1 month ago
in 20 years maybe...
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1 point,1 month ago
Dash Watch September 26th 2018 Report on
Dash Venezuela - September 2018 by algodonfranelas
http://bit.ly/DWDashVenezuelaSEP18
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2 points,1 month ago
Yes from me.
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1 point,1 month ago
Pleased to see that the MNO's are supportive of the efforts in Venezuela. Other coins must be worried by dash's progress in this country. Kudos to Eugenia and her team. The world , and especially the crypto world is watching closely.
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0 points,1 month ago
Thank you for your support, it is reasuring!!! We will continue until wemake of Venezuela the first Dash Nation!
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1 point,1 month ago
New episode of Dash Decentral, featuring Dash Africa, Dash Venezuela and CheapAir

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uot234bf-tA
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0 points,1 month ago
Welcome back oceanman. Glad to see you haven't given up the struggle.

The benifits we are getting right now are considerable as far as exposure goes. Yes, Venezuela may not succeed in dash adoption, and the governement can't be trusted (but hey, which one can?), but the upside of what the dash team is doing there is huge!
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0 points,1 month ago
the upside is that too much money ends up in the hands of a few people that wanna make a living... for the Dash community and us Dash MNOs the upside is being a sugar daddy.
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0 points,1 month ago
Time will tell, we have certainly lost way more money for less return than we are getting in Venezuela. The treasury continues to learn it's lessons and gets more sophisticated as time goes by, the drop in dash value has neccesitated this. Imho, we are very lucky to have the passionate team in Venezuela.
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1 point,1 month ago
I hope you are right. But hope has never given me good advice for investments...
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0 points,1 month ago
If this project is allegedly one of "Dash's strongest projects" then Good Night. I will tell you what the outcome of this VENEZUELA ADVENTURE will be: All the funds we sent down there will be lost. Result Zero. Nada. All the effort in vain. No Dash use in a communist country, let alone "mass adoption" - what an illusion.
* People have become so poor down there, hardly anybody has a cell phone (let alone a laptop (Canaima government crap doesn't work anymore)). So how are they gonna transact in a cryptocurrency without a device ?
* No electricity in the country. The country's electricity grid is so worn out that 4 to 6 days per week people have no electricity.
* the internet is ever slower and will be breaking down completely. That's what the government actually favours, because all the blackmarket gets dried out.. and people can't communicate anymore to oppose the regime...
Conclusion: no electricity, no internet, no device ---> No Dash use. Simple.
Venezuela has become a 100% communist dictatorship. The gang that runs the country has been in power for 20 years now, in Cuba 60 years, in North Korea 70 years. That's the track Venezuela is on.
I am once a month down in Venezuela for 'business', and that's already a myth because in Vzla these days there is as much real business as in North Korea or in Breshnev's Soviet Union.
I am not blaming the Dash team Venezuela. My impression is they are all very nice and friendly people. And they seem to be smart as well. Personally I am wondering why they are still there. Over 5 million people have left the country, the whole upper class, the whole middle class, doctors, teachers, anybody with a bit of a brain left over. The vast majority of our Dash friends in Venezuela will be living in some neighboring country, in Panama, Chile, Brasil or in Florida or Spain in two years time, because they are smart people and nobody can live anymore in this country apart from old folks, children, and some low-key fulanito in their barrio waiting for the next CLAP to arrive.
This ill-advised decision to send so much money down there is what happens when you send hundreds of thousands of dollars somewhere without knowing what the real-life situation down there actually is like.
Please keep my name in mind: OCEANMAN. We will talk in one or say two years from now. And you will be telling me, you were in strong minority but still clearly speaking out that the sh.. eventually hits the fan. OUTCOME OF THE VENEZUELA ADVENTURE ZERO. THE MONEY IS GONE. Oceanman told you so. :-)
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1 point,1 month ago
You are saying in this post that you think the Dash Team in Venezuela is nice, friendly and smart and you do not blame them, but you think the country is the one that is too risky to invest on.

If your concern is not the team but the country, and you thin the treasury should not invest one dime in Venezuela, I wonder why there is NOT ONE comment from you in the other 4 Venezuelan projects that are at this moment also in voting process???

Also, you are talking about the problems in Venezuela with the government, electricity, Internet and devices, but you are not talking about the unique and potencially huge market this is, so important that even Dash Core Team has developed a special strategy for our country, has hired a Venezuelan Business Development Manager and has made alliances with brands as Kriptomobile, Uphold, among others, to be present in the Venezuela market.
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0 points,1 month ago
This is one of Dash's strongest projects. Its really incredible the progress that has been made in such a short amount of time.
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0 points,1 month ago
Dear oceanman, you have made your comments and you are continuing to ensure that your comments remain at the top by posting again and again. As you are a MNO this is your right. However your veracity in this now has me wondering what your real intentions are?
This is a project that many other coins would like to see stopped, however I remain confident that the masternode population will pass this proposal as the value the DASH network is getting from it and will get from it is obvious.
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1 point,1 month ago
people invested in competing projects are insanely jealous of the work the Dash teams are doing in Venezuela.
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1 point,1 month ago
You're paying more in rent in Venezuela than I am in a western country. Voting no.

Loaning money you can't pay back before the treasury approves your project is also bad behavior.
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1 point,1 month ago
I think there is a miscoding here. They have put the repayment of the loan as office rent, this is a mistake.

I guess the person loaning them the 200 dash was taking the risk on being/not being paid back, and it is for the masternodes to determine whether the lender made the right decision or not.
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0 points,1 month ago
Exactly, KiwiCodger, Siaskyboy took the risk of lending us the money knowing exactly how the trasury works, because he thougth our wor was too important to be stopped by the price crash.

IMPORTANT: we did not ask for this loan, he offered himself when observing what was going on, and for that we are forever grateful.

You can find him in reddit and he may give you his side of the story.
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-1 point,1 month ago
---> PLEASE READ THE DISCUSSION BELOW AND THEN DECIDE BY YOURSELF IF YOU REALLY WANT TO VOTE YES ON THIS PROPOSAL. I can't get rid of the impression that most of the Yes voters haven't really read the proposal in detail.
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0 points,1 month ago
Of course, to read the entire discussion is the correct thing to do for any proposal, I am sure MNOs are ALWAYS very careful about wich projects they vote for.
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2 points,1 month ago
Your statements are false, I don't know about Venezuela but I do know about the Philippines, if you're dirt poor sure you can life very cheaply, but if you want get stuff done, you're very quickly moving into much higher amounts. People promoting Dash are professionals, and if would have to dress and work like beggars they could not get stuff done at all. Certainly some of them could freelance or work abroad increasing there paychecks with 5x instantly.

Please check out Dash Text, that a big deal you'd have to pay 10x the amount or more to get it done by any western people. For illustration Dash Nexus is getting build by people from western country's.
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0 points,2 months ago
PLEASE READ THE DISCUSSION BELOW AND THEN DECIDE BY YOURSELF IF YOU REALLY WANT TO VOTE YES ON THIS PROPOSAL. I am out of this. We Dash-MNOs need to become more aware on which kind of projects to fund.
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0 points,26 days ago
dude shut the fuck up. If you don't think cryptocurrency can make an impact then sell it and go away.
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1 point,2 months ago
Of course, that is the correct thing to do for any proposal, I am sure MNOs are ALWAYS very careful about wich projects they vote for.
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4 points,2 months ago
If this proposal was asking for 80 Dash (repeated over 5 months) I would support it. Considering the local circumstances asking for 215 Dash (repeated over 5 months) is outrageous. CLEARLY VOTE NO.
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-4 points,2 months ago
You can revise the profound investigation done by Dash Watch on this subject, unless you doubt them as well.
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-5 points,2 months ago
Hi Ocean, price of a sandwich in Venezuela is 10$, look
https://twitter.com/StayDashy/status/1040010073781792769
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-5 points,2 months ago
https://twitter.com/StayDashy/status/1040010073781792769
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4 points,2 months ago
This proposal doesn't take the local price level into consideration and hence suggests a totally exaggerated budget. It is like trying to project US housing market prices or US salaries into Haiti or Cuba or Venezuela. It doesn't work like this.
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-5 points,2 months ago
You can revise the profound investigation done by Dash Watch on this subject, unless you doubt them as well.
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-1 point,2 months ago
When I saw Rodrigo's documentary of Dash in Venezuela, it was hard to understand how they could do so much with so little. The staff promoting dash are not doing so from the slums of Venezuela, but from the business world of Venezuela. Oceanman talking about the propaganda figures of average person earning $20/mth is meaningless.
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3 points,2 months ago
Thank you for the feedback. I don't know how much experience you have with Latin America. People live their lives in their local currency, obviously. In Venezuela an average person gets 2.000 BsF per month. Fact. In the US the average Joe gets 2.000$ maybe 3.000 $ per month. Fact. Both will be whining around that the money is not enough for them....
If you earn 5.000 BsS in Venezuela or as an executive at PDVSA 9.000 BsS you definitely can make a living. It is 5 times the standard salary. However you spend this money will be denominated in the local currency BsS, be that food, rent, transport, just everything.
All these excuses that somebody prefers US-$ are coming from persons that wanna line their pockets. That's the real propaganda. Everyday life is 100% in the local currency. These very few who do have access to US-$ are the quickest in exchanging them back into BsS and pay everybody else off. So, in purchasing power the allover amount we are sending down there is an amazing 12.000.000 US-$, the value of about 40 appartments. Only dumb gringoes do this and we shouldn't be among them.
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-2 points,2 months ago
You can revise the profound investigation done by Dash Watch on this subject, unless you doubt them as well.
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-1 point,2 months ago
I guess we all have our opinion as to the value we get from each project, for me this project has raised Dash's profile way more than any other, Venezuela is a country that needs dash, for the mojority of the rest of the world it is a 'nice to have'. For the amount of dash being asked this is the best bang for our dash we have going at the moment imho.
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2 points,2 months ago
This proposal suggests support of 5 times 40.000 $. In all 200.000 USD. In one of the poorest countries of the western hemisphere. (It makes me said to say that about wonderful Venzuela, but I have to face the facts...) Spot this 200.000 USD !!! THIS IS INSANE !!! This proposal is all about US prices and has little to do with Venezuela. Purchasing power wise you buy an appartement with 5.000 USD in Vzla. With this amount of money we could buy 40 apartments... Let's say an average aprtment in the US is 300.000 $.
Now you guys please check if the contents and goals of this proposal is worth 12.000.000 US-$ ???
To sum it up: The proposal is not bad, it is just WAY TOO MUCH MONEY.
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0 points,2 months ago
Friend Oceanano, it's very strange that you have been here in Venezuela and didn't notice that that alleged salary of 20$ doesn't cover anything, you can't cover basic hygienic needs, venezuelans need to have up to three jobs only to be able to eat, the project of achieving personal that instructs is great and the cost is real
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3 points,2 months ago
I agree 100% . But shelling out 1.860.000.000.000 BsF (Bolivares Fuertes) from the Dash Network is NOT the solution to the problem. And that is the vast amount of money this proposal is asking for.
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-3 points,2 months ago
Oceanman*
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1 point,2 months ago
Just another example, office rent in Venezuela is not 600$. Office rent there is maximum 10.000 BsS(Soberanos). And that's a posh one in downtown Caracas. (120$) In reality rather half of this... no, no, no.
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2 points,2 months ago
A member of Dash Watch has had the opportunity to review the lease to ensure that it is exactly what I listed.
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-1 point,2 months ago
The data you are giving is untrue.

You can revise the profound investigation done by Dash Watch on this subject, unless you doubt them as well.
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1 point,2 months ago
I always support Dash development in Venezuela. But on this one I am out. Sorry. Sounds too much of a money making scheme. I have just been there last month and know the prices. This much money in a country where the MONTHLY SALARY is less than 20 $ is not credible. With this amount of money you could have way over a hundred people teaching and peddling Dash there, which is not the case. Too little effect for too much money. A clear NO.
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0 points,2 months ago
Hi Ocean, price of a sandwich in Venezuela is 10$, look
https://twitter.com/StayDashy/status/1040010073781792769
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2 points,2 months ago
To Mr. Oceanman,
Have you participated in this forum under a different user name? Could you provide any evidence that you have supported Dash development in Venezuela in the past? I don't recall seeing you in the forums...
Thanks,
solarguy
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-2 points,2 months ago
Hello, it is a shame that you were here last month and did not contact us, so we could clarify any doubts you may have.

We have demonstrated in past proposal that the belief that a Venezuelan can have a modest but decent live with less than 600 USD is a myth, understandable that some people may be confused because the government propaganda and their "official data" is nothing but lies.

You can revise the profound investigation done by Dash Watch on this subject, unless you doubt them as well.
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3 points,2 months ago
Sr. Algodonfranelas, that is actually a very kind idea to meet up at some point in the future. Thank you. I highly appreciate your past efforts to bring Dash to a higher popularity in Venezuela. But you guys need to become more effective in terms of not burning so much cash.
If you say above that you can't live with less than 60.000 BsS a month (~600$). Whoooooooow. I guess I would like to be invited on one of your parties then...
95% of the population live with the normal salary of 2.000 BsS a month. I don't know what you are doing ? Jetting back and forth from Lecheria to Los Roques, I guess...
Please understand, these funds here are meant to promote Dash in the first place................
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0 points,2 months ago
What prove do you have to say that we use the funds we receive from the treasury for parties or trips or any other thing that is not promoting Dash?

Here you can see an Instagram account that publishes the actual prices of goods and services in Venezuela: https://www.instagram.com/altopreciosvenezuela/

I wish DashCentral would have the same rules of moderation that exists in Dash Nation in Discord, such as:

"- Do not attempt to pass unproven speculation as fact. It's fine if you make it clear that something is your opinion, but do not present speculation as if it is fact. This also includes making assumptions about someone else's intentions or personal experience."
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0 points,2 months ago
Hello algodonfranelas, there is no "unproven speculation" here. You by yourself said it. Allegedly living with less than 60.000 BsS was a myth. What a lunacy. 30 times the standard salary. Even the enchufados are paling at these spending habits. Anybody familiar with the situation in Venezuela is shaking one's head by the numbers you are handing in. Of course, everything nicely presented in US-$. I am sure you take good care of the exchange into Bolivares Soberanos.
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-4 points,2 months ago
Hello Oceanman, Venezuela is a country of serious distortions, with what a citizen of any neighboring country pays for a gallon of gasoline, in Venezuela you can buy a full truck. However, a Venezuelan can not pay the price of meat from the same neighboring country.

The official data provided by the government on the economy are erroneous or do not exist.

The reality is that the black market is what sets the true prices of food and many people do not have how to pay

In addition, due to the great lack of food, prices in dollars have also risen and remittances must be greater every time
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1 point,2 months ago
Saludos DashValencia. I agree that the official data provided by the government on the economy are erroneous. I agree that there is a massive black. I agree that it is hard to survive with 2.000 BsS. That is the salary 95 % of the population receives and makes a living with. That translates to 20 $. The focus of this proposal is to promote Dash and not to let some people have nice cars, offices and big salaries...
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-2 points,2 months ago
Can't stop the DashVenezuela train.
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-2 points,2 months ago
Choo Choo motherlover
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-1 point,2 months ago
Venezuela for the win!
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