Proposal “Dash-Venezuela-from-Oct-2018-to-Feb-2019“ (Active)Back

Title:Dash Venezuela - Oct 2018 - Feb 2019 - Countrywide massive adoption strategy
Owner:algodonfranelas
Monthly amount: 215 DASH (43785 USD)
Completed payments: no payments occurred yet (5 month remaining)
Payment start/end: 2018-09-17 / 2019-02-13 (added on 2018-09-09)
Final voting deadline: in 5 days
Votes: 545 Yes / 63 No / 40 Abstain
Will be funded: No. This proposal needs additional 2 Yes votes to become funded.
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0 points,15 hours ago
This is one of Dash's strongest projects. Its really incredible the progress that has been made in such a short amount of time.
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0 points,19 hours ago
Dear oceanman, you have made your comments and you are continuing to ensure that your comments remain at the top by posting again and again. As you are a MNO this is your right. However your veracity in this now has me wondering what your real intentions are?
This is a project that many other coins would like to see stopped, however I remain confident that the masternode population will pass this proposal as the value the DASH network is getting from it and will get from it is obvious.
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1 point,15 hours ago
people invested in competing projects are insanely jealous of the work the Dash teams are doing in Venezuela.
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-1 point,20 hours ago
---> PLEASE READ THE DISCUSSION BELOW AND THEN DECIDE BY YOURSELF IF YOU REALLY WANT TO VOTE YES ON THIS PROPOSAL. I can't get rid of the impression that most of the Yes voters haven't really read the proposal in detail.
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1 point,11 hours ago
Your statements are false, I don't know about Venezuela but I do know about the Philippines, if you're dirt poor sure you can life very cheaply, but if you want get stuff done, you're very quickly moving into much higher amounts. People promoting Dash are professionals, and if would have to dress and work like beggars they could not get stuff done at all. Certainly some of them could freelance or work abroad increasing there paychecks with 5x instantly.

Please check out Dash Text, that a big deal you'd have to pay 10x the amount or more to get it done by any western people. For illustration Dash Nexus is getting build by people from western country's.
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0 points,1 day ago
You're paying more in rent in Venezuela than I am in a western country. Voting no.

Loaning money you can't pay back before the treasury approves your project is also bad behavior.
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1 point,1 day ago
I think there is a miscoding here. They have put the repayment of the loan as office rent, this is a mistake.

I guess the person loaning them the 200 dash was taking the risk on being/not being paid back, and it is for the masternodes to determine whether the lender made the right decision or not.
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0 points,2 days ago
PLEASE READ THE DISCUSSION BELOW AND THEN DECIDE BY YOURSELF IF YOU REALLY WANT TO VOTE YES ON THIS PROPOSAL. I am out of this. We Dash-MNOs need to become more aware on which kind of projects to fund.
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1 point,2 days ago
Of course, that is the correct thing to do for any proposal, I am sure MNOs are ALWAYS very careful about wich projects they vote for.
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4 points,4 days ago
If this proposal was asking for 80 Dash (repeated over 5 months) I would support it. Considering the local circumstances asking for 215 Dash (repeated over 5 months) is outrageous. CLEARLY VOTE NO.
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-4 points,4 days ago
You can revise the profound investigation done by Dash Watch on this subject, unless you doubt them as well.
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-5 points,4 days ago
Hi Ocean, price of a sandwich in Venezuela is 10$, look
https://twitter.com/StayDashy/status/1040010073781792769
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-5 points,4 days ago
https://twitter.com/StayDashy/status/1040010073781792769
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4 points,5 days ago
This proposal doesn't take the local price level into consideration and hence suggests a totally exaggerated budget. It is like trying to project US housing market prices or US salaries into Haiti or Cuba or Venezuela. It doesn't work like this.
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-5 points,4 days ago
You can revise the profound investigation done by Dash Watch on this subject, unless you doubt them as well.
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-1 point,4 days ago
When I saw Rodrigo's documentary of Dash in Venezuela, it was hard to understand how they could do so much with so little. The staff promoting dash are not doing so from the slums of Venezuela, but from the business world of Venezuela. Oceanman talking about the propaganda figures of average person earning $20/mth is meaningless.
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3 points,4 days ago
Thank you for the feedback. I don't know how much experience you have with Latin America. People live their lives in their local currency, obviously. In Venezuela an average person gets 2.000 BsF per month. Fact. In the US the average Joe gets 2.000$ maybe 3.000 $ per month. Fact. Both will be whining around that the money is not enough for them....
If you earn 5.000 BsS in Venezuela or as an executive at PDVSA 9.000 BsS you definitely can make a living. It is 5 times the standard salary. However you spend this money will be denominated in the local currency BsS, be that food, rent, transport, just everything.
All these excuses that somebody prefers US-$ are coming from persons that wanna line their pockets. That's the real propaganda. Everyday life is 100% in the local currency. These very few who do have access to US-$ are the quickest in exchanging them back into BsS and pay everybody else off. So, in purchasing power the allover amount we are sending down there is an amazing 12.000.000 US-$, the value of about 40 appartments. Only dumb gringoes do this and we shouldn't be among them.
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-2 points,4 days ago
You can revise the profound investigation done by Dash Watch on this subject, unless you doubt them as well.
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-1 point,4 days ago
I guess we all have our opinion as to the value we get from each project, for me this project has raised Dash's profile way more than any other, Venezuela is a country that needs dash, for the mojority of the rest of the world it is a 'nice to have'. For the amount of dash being asked this is the best bang for our dash we have going at the moment imho.
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2 points,6 days ago
This proposal suggests support of 5 times 40.000 $. In all 200.000 USD. In one of the poorest countries of the western hemisphere. (It makes me said to say that about wonderful Venzuela, but I have to face the facts...) Spot this 200.000 USD !!! THIS IS INSANE !!! This proposal is all about US prices and has little to do with Venezuela. Purchasing power wise you buy an appartement with 5.000 USD in Vzla. With this amount of money we could buy 40 apartments... Let's say an average aprtment in the US is 300.000 $.
Now you guys please check if the contents and goals of this proposal is worth 12.000.000 US-$ ???
To sum it up: The proposal is not bad, it is just WAY TOO MUCH MONEY.
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0 points,5 days ago
Friend Oceanano, it's very strange that you have been here in Venezuela and didn't notice that that alleged salary of 20$ doesn't cover anything, you can't cover basic hygienic needs, venezuelans need to have up to three jobs only to be able to eat, the project of achieving personal that instructs is great and the cost is real
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3 points,5 days ago
I agree 100% . But shelling out 1.860.000.000.000 BsF (Bolivares Fuertes) from the Dash Network is NOT the solution to the problem. And that is the vast amount of money this proposal is asking for.
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-3 points,5 days ago
Oceanman*
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1 point,6 days ago
Just another example, office rent in Venezuela is not 600$. Office rent there is maximum 10.000 BsS(Soberanos). And that's a posh one in downtown Caracas. (120$) In reality rather half of this... no, no, no.
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2 points,2 days ago
A member of Dash Watch has had the opportunity to review the lease to ensure that it is exactly what I listed.
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-1 point,6 days ago
The data you are giving is untrue.

You can revise the profound investigation done by Dash Watch on this subject, unless you doubt them as well.
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1 point,6 days ago
I always support Dash development in Venezuela. But on this one I am out. Sorry. Sounds too much of a money making scheme. I have just been there last month and know the prices. This much money in a country where the MONTHLY SALARY is less than 20 $ is not credible. With this amount of money you could have way over a hundred people teaching and peddling Dash there, which is not the case. Too little effect for too much money. A clear NO.
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0 points,5 days ago
Hi Ocean, price of a sandwich in Venezuela is 10$, look
https://twitter.com/StayDashy/status/1040010073781792769
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1 point,6 days ago
To Mr. Oceanman,
Have you participated in this forum under a different user name? Could you provide any evidence that you have supported Dash development in Venezuela in the past? I don't recall seeing you in the forums...
Thanks,
solarguy
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-3 points,6 days ago
Hello, it is a shame that you were here last month and did not contact us, so we could clarify any doubts you may have.

We have demonstrated in past proposal that the belief that a Venezuelan can have a modest but decent live with less than 600 USD is a myth, understandable that some people may be confused because the government propaganda and their "official data" is nothing but lies.

You can revise the profound investigation done by Dash Watch on this subject, unless you doubt them as well.
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3 points,6 days ago
Sr. Algodonfranelas, that is actually a very kind idea to meet up at some point in the future. Thank you. I highly appreciate your past efforts to bring Dash to a higher popularity in Venezuela. But you guys need to become more effective in terms of not burning so much cash.
If you say above that you can't live with less than 60.000 BsS a month (~600$). Whoooooooow. I guess I would like to be invited on one of your parties then...
95% of the population live with the normal salary of 2.000 BsS a month. I don't know what you are doing ? Jetting back and forth from Lecheria to Los Roques, I guess...
Please understand, these funds here are meant to promote Dash in the first place................
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0 points,2 days ago
What prove do you have to say that we use the funds we receive from the treasury for parties or trips or any other thing that is not promoting Dash?

Here you can see an Instagram account that publishes the actual prices of goods and services in Venezuela: https://www.instagram.com/altopreciosvenezuela/

I wish DashCentral would have the same rules of moderation that exists in Dash Nation in Discord, such as:

"- Do not attempt to pass unproven speculation as fact. It's fine if you make it clear that something is your opinion, but do not present speculation as if it is fact. This also includes making assumptions about someone else's intentions or personal experience."
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0 points,2 days ago
Hello algodonfranelas, there is no "unproven speculation" here. You by yourself said it. Allegedly living with less than 60.000 BsS was a myth. What a lunacy. 30 times the standard salary. Even the enchufados are paling at these spending habits. Anybody familiar with the situation in Venezuela is shaking one's head by the numbers you are handing in. Of course, everything nicely presented in US-$. I am sure you take good care of the exchange into Bolivares Soberanos.
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-4 points,6 days ago
Hello Oceanman, Venezuela is a country of serious distortions, with what a citizen of any neighboring country pays for a gallon of gasoline, in Venezuela you can buy a full truck. However, a Venezuelan can not pay the price of meat from the same neighboring country.

The official data provided by the government on the economy are erroneous or do not exist.

The reality is that the black market is what sets the true prices of food and many people do not have how to pay

In addition, due to the great lack of food, prices in dollars have also risen and remittances must be greater every time
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1 point,6 days ago
Saludos DashValencia. I agree that the official data provided by the government on the economy are erroneous. I agree that there is a massive black. I agree that it is hard to survive with 2.000 BsS. That is the salary 95 % of the population receives and makes a living with. That translates to 20 $. The focus of this proposal is to promote Dash and not to let some people have nice cars, offices and big salaries...
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-2 points,12 days ago
Can't stop the DashVenezuela train.
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-2 points,12 days ago
Choo Choo motherlover
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-1 point,13 days ago
Venezuela for the win!
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