Proposal “Dash-Adoption-in-Industrial-Commerce“ (Closed)Back
Title: | Dash Adoption in Industrial Commerce |
Owner: | MrAnderson |
One-time payment: | 1071 DASH (37907 USD) |
Completed payments: | no payments occurred yet (1 month remaining) |
Payment start/end: | 2017-03-21 / 2017-04-19 (added on 2017-03-27) |
Final voting deadline: | in passed |
Votes: | 199 Yes / 441 No / 61 Abstain |
External information: | www.dash.org/forum/threads/hempsweet-decentralized-industrialization-alliance-proposal.13791/ |
Proposal description
Dash Adoption in Industrial Commerce
A Dash Treasury proposal for Masternode consideration.
(This is a concise statement of the proposal and agreement of HempSweet with the Dash Community. For those who wish to explore more deeply, much more detail can be found at the links in text.)
This is a cross-post from the Dash Forum https://bit.ly/DashMNproposal
Who: HempSweet is a team with the sole purpose to find and implement new models for individuals and groups to organize and exchange value in a free, transparent, voluntary way using existing cryptocurrency, cryptographic property and other decentralizing solutions. HempSweet core team are Travis Remington https://bit.ly/TravisAprilDASHmilestones and John Ferguson https://bit.ly/JohnAprilDASHmilestones
What: The creator of this proposal and owner of the single DASH receiving address provided, Travis Remington of HempSweet, respectfully requests a donation from the Dash Decentralized Governance Budget to further improve the overall quality of the Dash ecosystem and the health of all humans. HempSweet will use all donated DASH to research and develop large scale xylitol from hemp production technologies.
What: The creator of this proposal and owner of the single DASH receiving address provided, Travis Remington of HempSweet, respectfully requests a donation from the Dash Decentralized Governance Budget to further improve the overall quality of the Dash ecosystem and the health of all humans. HempSweet will use all donated DASH to research and develop large scale xylitol from hemp production technologies.
- PureHemp Technologies, LLC and HempSweet have a signed contract (Includes both parties indemnifying Dash and all other participants against claims by third parties arising from conduct of any participants under this agreement) between both parties that includes all inventions they will create as part of scaling hemp xylose to xylitol conversion with microorganisms will be open, transparent and without restriction to use. This donation will support a core element of the hemp industry that will empower Dash, HempSweet, and all partnerships to leverage building meaningful, lasting connections with an industry ready to grow alongside Dash. Details about Pure Hemp Technologies and their complete roll are covered in the HempSweet whitepaper https://bit.ly/hempsweet.
- Travis and John to work full-time as HempSweet’s core team, manage all community communication, marketing, travel to Hemp and BlockChain events, relevant related podcasts by John with Dash as a direct sponsor, speaking events, travel to meet with potential future partnership opportunities, promoting Dash donation as a key enabler of hemp industrialization and commerce at a commodity and production level, as well as a consumer-facing level.
Why: While Dash is making good progress on expansion, it and other cryptocurrencies struggle to gain traction in commerce where fiat currencies, of course, resist the disruption. Likewise, the completely-legal hemp industry struggles from not being able to easily use the fiat system to engage in commerce within the industry or with retail customers. These restrictions are completely arbitrary and the result of blanket policies, but are very real in practice. Barriers between crypto and fiat at industrial levels are almost completely unsupported outside of centralized fintech funding, which likewise restrict industry participants. For the decentralized Dash community and blockchain to support the penetration of one small production cycle through the entire industrial hemp ecosystem (completing the loop of usage, so to speak) is an unprecedented opportunity for Dash to take the lead in industrial cryptocurrency usage, as well as consumer usage. It is certain that such a penetration will result in huge demand for and use of Dash. All cannabis (pot and hemp) industries are being constrained, even as they are permitted to operate, while centralized systems work steadily to co-opt their massive decentralizing potential.
When: The time to act on this is almost exactly right for all market and social conditions. What is being proposed here is for funding of the initial month of executing the project only--to prove efficacy and value--with the intent to carry the project forward for a maximum of twelve months by renewed proposals, with full reports at every stage to ensure that each stage of proposed funding is warranted and being earned in terms of results.
How much: Total $98,360.64 @ $91.84 per DASH (based on March 26th average rate at https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/price-dash.html)Total: 1071 Dash
Note: Should any funding remain, we will apply it toward future development expenses.
What is in it for DASH:
HempSweet is focusing a non-contractual or binding alliance between Dash, BitShares and HempSweet, for synergistic effect far beyond what's covered here. See linked documentation for full data on the entire field of action.
Following is a simple breakdown of the Gives and Gets for Dash, strictly from Dash's perspective.
DASH Gives:
- Dash blockchain/community supports a hemp biomass processor to complete development of the best specific biologic pathway and practices for industrial scale conversion of hemp xylose syrup to healthy xylitol sugar, becoming the first blockchain to directly fund a bio/mechanical engineering project in developing an open-source process for the public good. The full potentials of this are expounded in linked supporting materials. The results of this research will be open-sourced to the world (after an initial development period wherein only direct partners will have access) so it is not just to the benefit of HempSweet, but in the interest of putting this type of product into use worldwide, whether associated with HempSweet or not. Such donation could be viewed as a charitable activity, since HempSweet is not the sole beneficiary, because the intellectual property created will be open-sourced. The specifics of this activity are covered in the draft Hempsweet whitepaper https://bit.ly/hempsweet
- Dash's donation also supports two HempSweet principals to shepherd and promote the project and Dash to the multi-billion dollar (and just getting started) hemp industry.
- If this proposal is approved then another proposal will be made for next payment cycle and the masternodes will have to judge whether the project leaders have successfully completed their stated promises and whether further donations are appropriate.
Dash Gets:
- A loop of commerce transacted in Dash within the hemp industry: Processor to farmer, processor to employees, farmer to suppliers, farmer to farm workers, manufacturers (who use processor's output) to processor, then to packing, wholesale, retail, consumer.
- Immediate demand for further on/of ramps to Dash, largely provided by the mutual alliance with BlockPay, OpenLedger, etc., as part of the plan. Also DASH ATMs have the opportunity and incentive to get up and running in related areas.
- Dash gets rapidly positioned as the leading cryptocurrency enabling industrial (as opposed to consumer) commerce in an industry that is having severe pain points surrounding the use of fiat, though everything they are doing is completely legal in both US federal and state governments.
- Dash will be a default store of value even when it is not preferred as a currency. Some will prefer to receive and give bitUSD (USD-pegged token) for accounting purpose. Through other agreements already in place with others, Dash will be a well-supported trading pair for bitUSD, allowing liquidity between the two.
- Active, incentivized promotion of Dash within the industrial hemp community by HempSweet principals. This will be ongoing, of course, even after the Dash support for them ends.
- Dash will have shown that it can go where no other cryptocurrency can, due to its governance model and the incredible community it encourages and incentivizes.
- Dash will benefit hugely by supporting the alliance with the BitShares blockchain community as part of separate agreements already reached with BitShares market makers, as well OpenLedger and BlockPay.
- There is intent to vest the Dash community or Masternodes in the future success of HempSweet by way of a separate profit-sharing token system, which should start to payout quickly as we are ramping up a pre-sale. This is not explicitly part of this agreement at this time because details are not finalized, but it is intended and will be provided.
- We are quite sure there are more points that could be isolated, but these cover the most obvious ones.
Let's look at the worst-case scenario and see what there is for Dash to lose.
The very worst case we see is something like this:
- Dash provides funds for the initial research and support of HempSweet workers for the initial period, but the HempSweet plan is flawed and/or the HempSweet workers do a poor job of promotion and management and the project falls apart, with no path established to the full end result desired.
- The only worse scenario we can think of is that if the HempSweet workers somehow bring disrepute to Dash, or crypto in general. Failing to make a reasonable go of things would be a hit to us personally and damage our personal reputations and credibility, which we value. We would have to act very badly indeed to taint the image of Dash. The community will have to examine our past actions in the space, including the efforts we have expended on this plan, and judge if we pose such a great risk.
Respectively submitted,
Travis Remington (@mranderson010) and John Ferguson (@John Ferguson), for HempSweet https://HempXylitol.com and https://HempSweet.net
Please ask any questions you may have and consider voting YES! If you are unable to spend the time to fully evaluate our proposal documents and/or have difficulty understanding the scope of this proposal then please discuss with other masternodes who already have or consider abstaining.
--We understand that this proposal is a whole lot to consider. The following forum exchange captures something worth considering which likely has not been made clear enough anywhere--
TanteStefana said:
Yes, I’m afraid it doesn’t feel like the right fit either, mostly because it’s all over our collective abilities to assess fully.
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oaxaca said:
This is the problem with full democracy. We are asking the masternode owners to actually read the material, digest it, and form an opinion. In the "real world", people elect ministers or senators or some such to handle this job for them. Here in Dash, it works a little differently. Masternode owners have responsibility to help govern, not simply earn part of a block reward for setting up VPSes.
Here is the punch line from the proposal:
Dash Gets:
- A loop of commerce transacted in Dash within the hemp industry: Processor to farmer, processor to employees, farmer to suppliers, farmer to farm workers, manufacturers (who use processor's output) to processor, then to packing, wholesale, retail, consumer.
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paragon said:
oaxaca that level of adoption does sound great but it's pretty safe to assume even if Travis did convince all those people in the production cycle to accept Dash as payment which, with all due respect to Travis, I find a little hard to believe, in all likelihood most of them would just be converting the Dash to fiat right away
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fergish said:
You may not understand how desperate a lot of the players on the production side are to be able to transact in some way OTHER than fiat. Can't bank, means farmers and others sitting on actual cash. Sounds nice, but it exposes them to all sorts of hazards from theft to "asset forfeiture" for having "suspicious amounts of cash", etc. Can't send it over the internet. There are significant players who are desperate and will incentivize others to use crypto (preferably Dash) if the critical mass can be approached and other on ramps built. We're trying to start the ball rolling from WITHIN the cycle, rather than having to get everyone going through fiat conversion.
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paragon said:
I'm in favor of this aspect John and Travis, but you are asking for Dash to fund research and development and production of xylitol from hemp which in my opinion is not something Dash's DAO is intended to do. If you asked for money to promote and spread the use of Dash within the industry via incentives, I think the response would be different
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fergish said:
Actually, that is exactly what we are doing. The funding in Dash is key, and funding coming from a decentralized community is key as well. See HempSweet whitepaper for the logic of this. Pre-sale of the final product could also be part of the decentralized support. That will play a part later, closer to final production.
HempSweet will take first advantage of the research to produce our product, sure, but the system that will be set up will be open sourced soon, so it can be copied, with or without direct participation with us. Dash will be funding the development for the public good, internationally, and will be promoted as doing so (incredible PR). At the same time, Dash is putting a significant primer of currency flow directly into the veins of an industry desperate to experience just what Dash is offering. Look at it as priming the pump. Takes a bit of water in the line for the pump to get traction and start the flow.
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I won't vote for proposals/proposers who support their proposal with "but these funds were just going to be burned".
The only other specific criticism was with regard to specific words that caused concern of legal interpretation and liability, which we have revised. I am sorry, but I see no way to revise the fact that if you chose to vote no then you support the idea that having less Dash in circulation is more valuable to the ecosystem than what we are proposing.
That is your right and I respect your free will to vote as you see wish, but I think a no vote for this proposal will result in a decrease of the long term value of this community, which Dash derives its true value.
This kind of large project could fit Dash more once its has expanded its eco-system and has become a much larger force of power.
Right now with the majority of proposals that are >10% are there and that still leaves %44 (2,926.25) of the DASH budgeted for this payout out available and if not spent will never be created and lost forever. We are only asking for a little over 1/3 of those Dash left after all the less controversial supported proposals are already allocated.
Thank you again for your time and energy.
As they say the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago the next best time is right now. :)
"Dash blockchain/community pays a hemp biomass processor directly to complete development of the best specific biologic pathway and practices for industrial scale conversion of hemp xylose syrup to healthy xylitol sugar, becoming the first blockchain to directly fund a bio/mechanical engineering project in developing an open-source process for the public good." What does this even mean? Why should the Dash community care? Because you dropped-in the words "open-source" and "public good"? The whole proposal reads this way.
In short, the Dash community gives tangible benefits (1071 DASH), but the Dash community returns are vague, and impossible to measure.
Please vote "no".
Well I am part of the Dash community and I care because the biggest attack we get is the ridiculous instamine and only care about pumping our price up so big that the few with a lot of coins will dump one day. How would it make us look to say "look here where the Dash community took a smart risk and got their coin directly in the hands of people who have nothing to do with computer tech, financial tech and Dash provided for the first real world open patent on an industrial invention that is improving the health of billions." ----There are several things there that should cause someone to care.
You are exactly right about Dash community giving tangible benefits. They will be benefits that we can see, feel, touch and be proud of. The returns from that benefit could be seen for a very long time with not only an increase in trading value, but more importantly the increased perception of value to hard working scientists, medical professionals, voluntarists, food manufactures, parents, teachers,.......everyone in the end.
John and I live in different states, but we both live in the US. Based on all of our social site links, multiple websites, masternode operator who stated they have met me in person and confirm I say and have the value I advertise......heck I even shared the video of a recent talk in Anarchapulco I did about HempSweet. There are phone numbers on probably every site we have linked, particularly with PureHemp Tech, and Jeff Cole (VP Sales & Marketing) made an account in the forum and stated he is open for any communications.
I was mining DASH when it was Darkcoin, but beyond that I spend most of my time looking how to implement these disruptive open source technologies to improve peoples life.......so with your stated experience, what else could we do to address your feeling of concern for a scam?
Also has nobody told you to make a pre-proposal because that would have been a good thing to do first.
As for the pre-proposal we did have one available and here is a sample of some of the great feedback we have already received from community members. Even the less than positive comments where quite helpful for us in fine tuning this proposal to the level of quality it now has.
Populandum said: ↑
I'm actually sitting here in awe of what you are proposing! I think it would be a BIG mistake of us all to not use this opportunity! We can actually grow both the financially-suppressed hemp industry along with Dash! I see this as a success story where we actually get the real first use of crypto on a big scale! Think about it: Dash saving an entire multi-billion dollar industry which many banks don't want to support because of the FED.
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oaxaca said: ↑
This is exactly the kind of big thinking that is needed to gain real world adoption. I have been advocating a full circle of Dash use in a community for a long time. If you choose to ask for a single month of financing, what milestones or feedback can we expect before the 2nd subsequent vote? If you ask for 3 months, be aware that it is possible to downvote an initiative for any reason whatsoever. A few loud and mobilized voices could probably get that done.
oaxaca said: ↑
A few obvious points here. It's all about choices. The masternode owners gave 1100 Dash per month for the Terpin PR fiasco. The masternode owners gave over 7300 Dash for an ATM fiasco. ATMs? Seriously? And what are we discussing now? More ATMs and a Tesla? Are you kidding me?
This proposal is much more far reaching than those. Let me spell it out for you. The Dash that would be allocated would be USED and RE-USED in a circle of real world adoption. To quote above: "all participants from grower to processor to manufacturer to supplier to retailer agreed to accept and pay in cryptocurrencies, with incentives favoring DASH..."
This is what it's all about. While it's fine to talk about exposure, this is real world acceptance and use of Dash. That is the Holy Grail of the entire Dash project, is it not?
VENDORS ARE USERS, TOO!
Or at least they would be if crypto were not hostile to them... I'm still impressed by the ability of the DASH community and leadership to still not understand this.
You have to support someone other than the showflakes. IX seemed to be the answer, but it appears that it's creator has no idea what it's good for or why.
The full-circle is the objective, but the everyday user can't actually use without the vendors. At least band-aid them a DASH -> FIAT solution, and then you can fill in the rest of the circle from there.
Vendors are the starting point for drawing the circle.
No, I'm just a troll for saying so... fuckin' echo chamber cryptotards...
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Fiicus said: ↑
I think Dash would absolutely benefit from working with the hemp industry, and even the legal cannabis industry as it starts to propagate around the country. I also strongly believe that if we don't take an opportunity like this, assuming it's legit, which it truly seems to be, someone else will jump on it. I feel, very strongly, that in industries where banking is very difficult, Dash should absolutely try to proliferate in those spaces as quickly as possible. I believe that while the proposal is very ambitious, and it's hard to trust people who haven't made proposals before, we have a lot of treasury funds to use thanks to our recent growth, and the exposure from this would be enormous. Ethereum is on alphabay, monero is used a lot on the dark web, bitcoin is used for online poker and various other things. If we don't allow ourselves into these spaces, someone else will take that opportunity and grow in them. It's not like the gov would specifically prohibit dash in these spaces, they'd likely take an overall approach, still, perhaps it's best to keep a distance from black markets. So the way I see it, we can not participate and lose out on a cut, or we could participate and further the public's awareness of Dash at relatively no risk to ourselves.
How many proposals that are approved and paid workers got the sign off from attorney's?
Well it should be restated that this is an offer with a time limit, and PureHemp Tech. will likely move on. "We have no law firm to represent us. Perhaps, if this could be hammered out with the Dash Foundation and their retained Law firm, so that Masternodes are indemnified against wrong doing, this might work." -------but the risk of lost opportunity is real, not some hypothetical.
My intent was to describe two sides of the same "coin." DASH is either decentralized enough to be resistant to immense power wielded by states of unlimited resources.......or it is not. I became a lot less interested in Bitcoin the moment I realized it was not decentralized enough, particularly with the human consensus portion.
If a proposal that very few, if any, would argue the benefit of replacing refined sugars and fiat money would have for humanity can be decided by attorney's then I have more to worry about than this proposal not being voted on.
-----Here is just a few samples for just this month roadmap.
Travis:
*Continue expanding HempSweet:bitUSD; bitUSD:DASH markets (Technically an on ramp from fiat/cc to DASH in a matter of minutes). Further optimize trading bots that are pegged to Poloniex USDT:DASH.
*Further expand open source software for DASH and Bitshares UIA/MPA shopping cart integration so customers can pay in DASH and automatically receive their HEMPSWEET BitShares token digital receipt; while be easy with Hemp website account creation simultaneously creating an account on the decentralized exchange.
*Finalize HEMPSWEET--->VALUE share drop with dash-hempsweet multi-sig account.
*Security audit OpenLedger/BlockTrade’s current UIA open.DASH/DASH pairing smart contract.
John:
*All podcasts Technology & Choice podcasts will carry an ad for the Dash as a sponsor with mention/explanation of the alliance as appropriate, and what it means for the hemp community.
*Will be attending Northern Colorado Hemp Expo, March 31 - April 1, in Loveland, CO. There I will be further networking with more industry people, getting more interviews, talking about HempSweet, Dash and the whole alliance (even if it is still just a possibility, rather than a done deal). I will, of course, be wearing whatever appropriate Dash swag I can acquire.
*Will arrange interviews on several other notable podcasts/radio shows which I know will be very interested in what is planned and how it is developing. Certain ones of these are early shoe-ins. As the scene expands, I’m confident we can arrange even larger, more “mainstream ones.â€
In every job that must be done, there is an element of fun
You find the fun and snap, the job's a game
And every task you undertake becomes a piece of cake
A lark, a spree, it's very clear to see
That a spoonful of DASH helps the medicine go down
The medicine go down, the medicine go down
Just a spoonful of DASH helps the medicine go down
In a most delightful way
A DASH Core Dev feathering his nest has very little time to rest
While gathering his bits of code and crypto
Though quite intent in his pursuit, he has a merry tune to toot
He knows a song will move the job along
For a spoonful of DASH helps the medicine go down
The medicine go down, the medicine go down
Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
In a most delightful way
The Master Nodes that fetch the nectar from the Blockchain to the Treasury
Never tire of ever buzzing to and fro because they take a little nip
And hence (And hence)
They find (They find)
Their task is not a grind
Ah, ah, ah!​
- I think we aren't qualified to validate the legality of this use for our money.
- I think if governments want to attack crypto-currencies in the future this will bring us to the top of the list, because it gives them an excuse.
- We aren't here to invest cash into enterprises, especially when we can't really know exactly what it will be used for. Banks lend money, and the rules that they adhere to are long and complicated. We are not banks. Our spend is for marketing, and while some are seeing the marketing aspects of this, I think it looks more like an investment in a business.
- If they want to use Dash for their business dealings, fine, no problem, but thats different from asking us for cash investments.
I have nothing against Hemp or Marajuana, but I think we are money, for buying things, not businessmen investing in industries we know little about.
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/hempsweet-decentralized-industrialization-alliance-proposal.13791/#post-119124
Why would other markets have any incentive to adopt a new form of digital cash when their suppliers/producers/manufactures say "You will use USD or we will not do business with you."
Here is John's response: https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/hempsweet-decentralized-industrialization-alliance-proposal.13791/#post-119197
https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/Masternode+Budget+API