Proposal “DASH-E-AIR“ (Closed)Back
|Title:||DASH-E-AIR the Electric airline run entirely on DASH and Electricity|
|Monthly amount:||850 DASH (36992 USD)|
|Completed payments:||no payments occurred yet (24 month remaining)|
|Payment start/end:||2017-06-03 / 2019-06-13 (added on 2016-08-28)|
|Final voting deadline:||in passed|
|Votes:||25 Yes / 433 No / 0 Abstain|
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I wonder if the DASH community would support that...it's about 100,000 Euro and that'd be pretty easy eh?
Just to test the water and see if it is worth spending 5 dash on.
Have you checked out this site www.gofundme.com I think that would be a perfect platform for your project :)
- can you give some details about yourself
- Elon Musk stated that the current generation of batteries is to heavy for airplanes - why do you think different
- is there a basic calculation on weight, battery capacity, power consumption and expected flight time in numbers
Me - I went to the Air Force Academy 2001-2005 and have been flying C-130s/MC-12s with the AF since then. I'm leaving the military in November and will have some more time for this project very soon. I'm obsessed to an unhealthy level with all things: bitcoin (moving everything over to DASH now), Tesla, and flying. When I'm not flying airplanes for work I like to fly gliders, paragliders, skydiving parachutes, kitesurfing kites(yeah...that's a wing as well). So I'm quite excited about this thing.
Elon Musk - I must respectfully disagree with you. Checkout this video from Nov 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx3auTD85Fw I'll transcript a bit here:
"To have a compelling electric aircraft you only need about 400Whrs/kg. Provided the percent of cell on the craft is high...If it's sort of at the 70% level at 400Whrs/kg you could do very decent range." So as I understand his interpretation is that you need to go BIGGER not SMALLER with the aircraft...you're not going to get 70% batteries on an aircraft that looks like an overgrown mosquito.
Furthermore, here's a video in which he's talking about Vertical Takeoff/Landing:
...and it takes way more power (and batteries) to hover than it does to accelerate along a runway. He also talks about getting rid of the tail and using ducted gimbal electric fans...but I'm not Elon Musk, nor do I have his bank account so when I do this on a shoestring budget, the range will be limited, but it will work.
Here's some napkin math:
Empty weight: 2,850 lb (1,293 kg)
Gross weight: 4,600 lb (2,087 kg)
Powerplant: 2 Ã— Continental O-470-B horizontally opposed piston engines, 240 hp (180 kW) each
So...That should leave you with 1750lbs of batteries with the current/normal configuration...which equates to roughly 125kwh of these guys:
...at 42lbs and 3kwh apiece. Roughly 1.5 times an 85kwh pack from a Tesla Model S. Since this is napkin math...I figure you can drive a Model S 200 miles (3hrs) nonstop...but that doesn't account for continuous max acceleration so cut that into 1/3rd (that's what it is when I go like hell on my Zero) I'm thinking we should be shooting for about a 30-40 minute flight. VFR flight requires (normally enough fuel to go to destination PLUS 30 mins) so you'll have to go to the bathroom before you get on my electric airplane so that we can squeeze the last 10 mins of batteries on.
Charge a couple hundred bucks for the novelty of riding on an electric plane, and bring a REALLY long extension cord ; )
Everyone loves talking about batteries, here's another amazing quality US product:
You didn't ask about the motors, but this is the next hardest piece after the weight and balance as the currently available electric motors are either extremely underpowered or weigh tons (no really...like more than one)...So for this reason I think we need to buy/build a test stand and start figuring out that piece first.
So hit me...where'd I miss the mark?
there is another compilation of talks about it: https://youtu.be/erjdYiwoYAo
I think its possible to gear up an old Cessna with some batteries and exchange the fossil engines with electric engines.
But even if you would get the money (all 7650 DASH ~ $100,000 ) you just would have achieved to turn an old airplane into a electric propelled old airplane with reduced specifications. That showcase would be enough to go some big investor to claim 100 Mio USD to design a modern electric airplane - probably you will need more money if you go into production. And to achieve this goal you will need an unbreakable will and a very convincing personality. Then why should anyone buy an electric airplane with reduced specification (which nobody knows today).
Another point is that the marketcap of DASH today is < 100 Mio USD. That is way below of what you will need to fund your project.
Maybe you can try to make a request to TheDAO to claim some funds there.
The budget was for 850X24months, and you're right...that's WAYYYYY too much for such a small community. I was overestimating how big/powerful DASH is currently...but hey, we've got 10 months for 1 DASH to be $1M...then I'll resubmit for a single DASH ; )
I'd really just like to operate it. I wouldn't want to sell the aircraft or the company. I'd rather carefully structure it as a DAO. Some kind of employee owned/operated thing...SW like.
What would be the best tool for making the ledger of this kind of organisation public?
I've been wondering if the response would have been different if it was just an air carrier setup as a DAO? ie No electric planes, just a single 'normal' aircraft...