Proposal “CARACAS-VENEZUELA-9TH-CONFERENCE-JUNE“ (Closed)Back

Title:CARACAS-VENEZUELA: 9TH CONFERENCE + 7TH DASH CITY
Owner:algodonfranelas
One-time payment: 236 DASH (39185 USD)
Completed payments: no payments occurred yet (1 month remaining)
Payment start/end: 2018-05-19 / 2018-06-17 (added on 2018-05-20)
Final voting deadline: in passed
Votes: 472 Yes / 108 No / 35 Abstain

Proposal description



https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/Ajoh85cMtl5FZ9DU07T6SDBiAw3dWRGH8BSrxV9M6_gZAjDEpomknW_LU3QlJmYR_7ekJoSkz6pvVmYM_5fWybzqK50NBF8puJ0300vqEqZ3mAX47Nji0_H27TFlaXYClK9v0gkW


JUNE 2018
DASH VENEZUELA
9TH DASH CONFERENCE + 7TH DASH CITY IN CARACAS - VENEZUELA FOR 600 + 400 PEOPLE


It will take place on saturday June 16th in the Pestana Hotel Caracas. And we are very happy to have the confirmed participation of Rodrigo Digital from DASH Brazil as a speaker in our conference. 
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/ogKsjGZuATwaACgJFeCoSyO7GOuKkNIyLWQzmk6SHDP5kSAq5Vc8dRRXX5sUHkpPMqt10oy59LJdHlbNCQwLwPcv2B3Qq9vIrQMsbpWo25nkQXMRrmIdZITUPc27_1cnfLky6bw3

Also, he will stay for a week and he will be able to visit some of the 20 allies DASH Communities of DASH Venezuela (including the conference by DASH Maracay), and see first hand everything we are doing to boost DASH adoption in our country.

Here you can see our detailed budget:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/gW-XtEruibTzijh3LH4rfmfTy04-eBZMUcsMbrQRI5EPV1VwFZoQ69BP4D1kyENujgsIjI5p1h9hyrsj3Js51D5foVnfdPpTq_nsenRqezbtBAtEpXJL9PI1jCnc58xqVuljFsh0

DASH VENEZUELA'S OPERATION EXPENSES: 

After 7 months of work, our team has grown considerably, and for our meetings and for the training sessions we organize to the team members and the entrepreneurs, we used to rent different venues for the day. Because of the increased volume of the work, now it is cheaper to rent an entire office for the whole month than the individual rents. 

Here you can see our detailed budget:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/k9qqWMoiV7vXshZOq1FaKl8h2qOOlM2_Tq6sRM9NI4AhoLp6E2pNPLbSVcRW_6Pdz1kAvMgcnJSv3VfPImO92nkjaBJCB-Dlz3uH3B36YLwYM-HtBCraUqSkzLamYF_yvHrfZTlP

REIMBURSEMENT OF DIFFERENCE FOR PRICE FALL: 


When price went up in November and December, we had a surplus of our budget. 

That is why we did not submit a proposal for January, and we organized that month’s event using that residual budget. But in February and March the price fall was considerable, and that affected our budget really hard. In the end, the directive team of DASH Venezuela had to lend from their personal funds in order to get everything done. 

That is why we propose to make this analysis every month. 

We will compare the DASH price at the moment of proposal submission with the average of DASH real price during the execution month. If there is a surplus, we will deduct the difference from next month budget. But in case of deficit, we will ask for a reimbursement. 

Here you can see our detailed budget: 

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/F_89BAJkl3DNcS1Mxr15tp4x7-YhVGZhSJYcSPfwIMZMF_i0mRSBSQgwUtSFFe_m594Kl2jAHsgSDIMlGPvQwH2r1a6rV0CNCMEIyMivczTmedDxjKnwkarZPK-m5Xn_PtqegmuV


REINTEGRATIONS: 


In March, we were invited to participate in an event called “HELP! There is a cryptocurrency in my soup” and the DAO approved the budget for us to do it. But the team organizing the event cancelled it and told us they will soon give us another date for it. We have waited 3 months now, and we believe this event is not going to take place, that is why we are giving the funds back, by taking it out of the budget for this month. 

Here you can see our detailed budget:


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/luJhk9IPGxPk6B9Ssh_Po_2ZYG1IDsJt-azIS9t6vRcbiwPzHUWrhEk2zcT4uXr5EgxalDF8WtAsOc73oVqTCuK8aX4yA8k5JWDzsaiS8gykq1tFSBge6j29DeoKStbe8v6mVCxe 

Here you can see the summary budget and total request for this proposal:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/qbmd-mwskbXnnx4AADv_bbo41BprufUXuSsk5rzxfvSohERLj6q-D5U6uICIGaEyZjneGMDZVIb6xUbcSJL21Ncj4-P47jAyl-XNspfe1Ge-lu-gIdziOca_pgwYKv7W1FY72PKG

You can find all about DASH Caracas’ events here: 
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/pre-proposal-dash-conference-venezuela.15285/

You can find everything about DASH Venezuela here:
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dash-venezuela.30000/

Dear MNOs, please read and vote for this proposal. Thank you very much!

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Discussion: Should we fund this proposal?

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5 points,1 year ago
Voted yes. This looks extremely good value for money despite having read all of jeremy54's posts. There is strategic value as well as promotional value here and that must not be discounted.
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1 point,1 year ago
A couple of points here, assuming there will be a new proposal next month:
1) I think the proposal owner should have made an better attempt at explain the cost per conference, and the extra that come with it such as merchant stands, and attending giving presentations at places, and the cost involved for these extra's
2) Furthermore, to bad the giveway info came to late.

I am certain it would have made a considerable difference in voting.

*I also do hope MNO realize that Venzualla isn't going to be won over by a couple of proposals, their still is lots of work to do, but if we do it right, we blow every crypto as a currency out of the water, in terms of real life adoption and transaction volume.
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7 points,1 year ago
Voted yes. But I'm afraid that MNO's may be getting tired of the formula? Who could have guessed that Dash Caracas would be such a success for Dash, with such a professionally ran conference being hosted every month. But changing a country is not done in a matter of months, that takes sustained support and investment, long term. And that cannot be driven by initial excitement alone. Once that is gone, I hope MNO's still agree that we cannot risk NOT going all the way with this, even if it means sponsoring the 1 conference too many, or a slightly too expensive one..
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1 point,1 year ago
Thank you.

Please keep in mind we proposed from the beginning that we wanted to do a year long conference cycle, 12 in total. So far, the community seemed to agree.

This would be number 9 of 12. Our intention has been to finish the cycle and then do other kinds of activities, such as I explained in the last interview in DASH Force News:

https://www.dashforcenews.com/tag/dash-venezuela/

Also, the budget for the conference is about the same of the other ones. Again, before there was no problem with the budget until now.

So, I feel a little confused, because there has not been suggestions to make anything different to keep on the work.

All we want to do is to make of Venezuela the first DASH Nation. Please support us this time and let's prepare together a strategy that suits the MNOs expectations better.

We are preparing a survey for MNOs to express what they want us to do from this point forward.
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0 points,1 year ago
I believe you are asking for more than it should be. Perhaps the project is good, but not necessary the requested funds are really/clearly justified.

Remember we are talking about south America (specially Venezuela) and things are very cheap there.

I believe that If you are committed with Dash, you should ask for less money.
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0 points,1 year ago
Goodnight. My name is Alexis Lugo and I work very closely with Dash Venezuela. Excuse me for not agreeing with what you say, but you can corroborate that it is in Venezuela we have a distorted economy where 1 carton of eggs is worth more than 1 million
bolivars and 1 package of disposable diapers of 8 units more than 5 million. Here we do not have the economic conventions that can exist in other countries that it is no longer the same to buy products from the basic basket in Venezuela than in Argentina or Ecuador ... I do not think you are seeing the whole picture here, since the work of Dash Venezuela has not been in any case give away money, or squander the treasury coffers, but rather educate through practice ... 8 successful conferences, 6 Dash cities, where in each one they made an average of 3000 transactions with Dash, testimonies from entrepreneurs, users, small and medium entrepreneurs, small shops, vehicle factories, enthusiasts, 20 communities working in the interior of the country and much more proof that we have done the work and the use of each one, with its respective and clear statement of everything arranged. We love this project, the organization, the unity, the hospitality and the generosity of Dash, things that I knew since I joined this chain of blocks and that is precisely what I want to carry out to my neighbors and companions.
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0 points,1 year ago
As I said, the project is good, perhaps so good, but the owners project are asking more money than it should be.

If you all are committed as you are saying, I would recommend you to come again with a fair budget and perhaps the project will be funded.
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-1 point,1 year ago
After having many proposals passed, Algodon feels that governance is weak and no one will question anything she asks for. Since we are desperate to make inroads in Venezuela, we will accept anything and close our eyes.

Claiming to have distributed $20000 or $26.99 on average to 741 participant is unbelievable. The cost of $126 per participant is absolutely ridiculous. Just think about the number.Venezuela is not cheap but it cannot cost that to do a conference. Just not possible.

She can easily link to the wallet that made the giveaways.But she hasn’t shown any interest in doing that. It is a common case of embezzlement, much as no one wants to believe it.
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3 points,1 year ago
This is really insulting. I do not know your identity, while my identity is totally open for everyone to know who is representing this project.

You do not know me as a person, so, I request you show respect and do not make personal judgments about me.

First, I did not say that I gave 20K to 741 participants. If you TAKE THE TIME to read all the history of proposals from DASH Venezuela, you will see this clearly stated in all budgets and reports.

I gave 2 days ago the giveaway transaction information to DASH Watch, and they are to publish they analysis in a few minures.
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0 points,1 year ago
Really? I invite you to come to Venezuela and live as we live to see if you think the same, you are very wrong. You think how they live outside and believe that we live at a lower cost here, because I inform you that here a minimum wage is $ 2 per month and a market for a month is around $ 100 in food only. And Eugenia has been holding events in hotels that charge the equivalent in $ as in any other hotel in the world at the price of the day, because I do not know if you knew, the $ here in Venezuela goes up 10% DAILY! Eugenia believes that Venezuela has a future especially if the economic vision of the people, especially the merchants, is changed through DASH and that vision is transmitting it to all its team to all those who go to the conferences. I think you're a daring person to accuse Eugenia of what you accuse when she has given evidence all the time of what she has done. You are an unhappy person
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1 point,1 year ago
I appreciate your due diligence. All I can say is that I want the value coming out of this proposal more than you do.
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0 points,1 year ago
Wow, you're very very disrespectful. I feel alluded to in this comment because I know Eugenia in person and she is a very respectful lady and never disrespects anyone.

I hope that just as you demand to be shown something, (as if you really had the power to ask for it, not just here with our proposal but in all the other proposals that you harassed and attacked in flagrant manner), I DEMAND THAT YOU PUBLICLY APOLOGY WITH EUGENIA.

She does not deserve these deals, because she has complied with everything requested, not only inside Dash but with all the ecosystem that has been created in Venezuela.

All the actors of Dash VENEZUELA are public figures, present in the Dash community several months ago, you only have a couple of weeks.

I know you will not come out telling who you are, but please have more respect, one thing is to investigate and challenge our work and another very different is that you attack a Lady.
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1 point,1 year ago
In short, the total giveaway amount appears to be close to $20 per person, which is what was outlined in the proposal budget that was approved last month. Dash had a price range of between $377-$410 on 05/12/2018, and approximately 30.7 Dash were allocated to giveaways for a conference that had an attendance of 674 people. This gives an approximate giveaway price range of between $17.20 and 18.70

Eugenia provided us with transaction information for the giveaway. The giveaway was done on 5/12/2018 (same as the conference). It begins with a primary wallet with 35 Dash that distributes smaller amounts of Dash (Between .5 – 1 Dash typically, though later in the day it distributes amounts similar to the secondary wallets) to what we will call secondary wallets. This is done until 4.32 Dash remain in the primary wallet. That is approximately 30.7 Dash. If we look at the price on 5/12/18 of about $404, that’s approximately $12.4k. The secondary wallets then proceed to give out .0249 Dash (around $10) in a series of transactions to unique wallets. Then there are a series of smaller transactions – commonly .0124 or .0186 Dash (about $5 and $7.50 respectively) - though there are also other smaller amounts. Given that 674 attendees were present, that puts the value of giveaways close to the $20 per person mark that Eugenia described and set aside for in the budget ($10 of giveaway and then whatever is spent is reimbursed to encourage Dash transactions. Some of the wallets did not spend all of the Dash, and so it would be expected that they did not receive an exact $10 reimbursement).

Full disclosure, we do not have enough time to check every single transaction before the close of voting. While we were intended to be a reporting entity rather than an auditing entity, if the MNO community expresses an interest in knowing the exact path of every transaction for this giveaway, we can prioritize this for proposals with a giveaway component in the month of June, although the time commitment would be significant
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0 points,1 year ago
Wait I'm confused- DID THIS NOT PASS.

The Masternodes are really starting to confuse me.

I thought we all loved what Venezuela was doing? This could have been take off! Que Paso?
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0 points,1 year ago
It seems that there has been a battle for the proposal of @algodonfranelas points against and side the results obtained in Venezuela thanks to the work they have done, massive adoption, even the exchanges that have the national government have a Dash as a reliable pair and that with all security Is it possible that this moment is happening under the table?
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1 point,1 year ago
Even if it is somewhat expensive this is the cornerstone of all the Dash activity in Venezuela not continuing to fund this seems very stupid.
I am really baffled that this as received so view votes.
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1 point,1 year ago
Thank you for the support.

The budget for the conference is about the same of the other ones. Again, before there was no problem with the budget until now.

So, I feel a little confused, because there has not been suggestions to make anything different to keep on the work.

All we want to do is to make of Venezuela the first DASH Nation. Please support us this time and let's prepare together a strategy that suits the MNOs expectations better.

We are preparing a survey for MNOs to express what they want us to do from this point forward.
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1 point,1 year ago
Venezuela is so critically important to Dash in great part because of the work already accomplished by algodonfranelas (Eugenia) and her team. Please consider carefully and vote. It appears many have left this one to decide on the last day.
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0 points,1 year ago
Thank you Edward. I hope you could come in person to see for yourself all of the work.
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1 point,1 year ago
For the love of god, this guys have a good track record, and they are the pioneers and this proposal has been working as an offspring to other groups/proposals created. Yes it can seem 'expensive', I actually find it reasonable, and I would assume that not 'everything' in venezuela is dirt-cheap.. like the satelite internet connection for example.. Its insane to me that MNO cannot see the value in this!! Please reconsider if you have voted no and vote YES. It is of vital importance and this region is something that CEO of dash also acknoledges is important and one of dashes key areas. Please reconsider and think this through again if you voted no, its like the key group in venezuela and it is of vital importance that they continue.
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0 points,1 year ago
Thank you. Yes, please, vote yes and let's have a direct and more frequent communication to collaborate in order to get Venezuela to be the first DASH Nation.
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2 points,1 year ago
Hi Jeremy - you raise a good point, and clearly this is causing some confusion. You are right that the numbers between the community concern report and the monthly report diverge. We provide the monthly reports to ensure that the end of month information provided is as accurate as possible for when MNOs need to make their decisions. So the numbers that you will find in there, both in terms of budget and attendance are correct for this conference, with one exception. After reaching out to the proposal owner for further clarification last night, the number of Dash City entrepreneurs was updated from 67 to 47, and so that should be considered in your calculation. In this instance then, the cost per person for this event is between 81-100 per person. The second number is arrived at by doing your calculation, but with the entrepreneur numbers updated. The first number includes total staff that are transacting in Dash (206 per the proposal owner).

In the future we will be sure to clearly distinguish between a community concern report and a monthly report, and clarify that information in the CCRs is not a substitute for the monthly reports. If the MNO community would like, we can include cost person data for each individual conference moving forward.
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1 point,1 year ago
The cost per regular participant works out to ~$90

PLUS another $20.000 for expenses which if included takes it to ~$120

Thank you for clarifying, Dashwatch.
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-1 point,1 year ago
I am sorry, that was a typo from me. The real number is 67 entrepreneurs.
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0 points,1 year ago
You claimed you gave away $20.000 worth of dash to 741 participants. This means $25 per participant? I find this very hard to believe. @Dashwatch, have you checked this?
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0 points,1 year ago
This is really insulting. I do not know your identity, while my identity is totally open for everyone to know who is representing this project.

You do not know me as a person, so, I request you show respect and do not make personal judgments about me.

First, I did not say that I gave 20K to 741 participants. If you TAKE THE TIME to read all the history of proposals from DASH Venezuela, you will see this clearly stated in all budgets and reports.

I gave 2 days ago the giveaway transaction information to DASH Watch, and they are to publish they analysis in a few minures.
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0 points,1 year ago
This project is an obvious case of using the venezuela sentiment to push through inflated costs and pocket money from giveaways. There is no other way to say this.

The cost per participant comes out to $96 and $123 including pro rata expenses for the last conference as has been verified by Dashwatch. How practical is it to spend this kind of money on one untargeted participant?

The more problematic issue includes a claim that 20.000 USD were distributed to 741 participants. Lets assume 1000. This is an absurd claim since it means that every participant was paid or sponsored $20. Giving away this kind of money would cause a major frenzy in Venezuela. You can settle this by pointing to the wallet that made these transactions but you do not seem to interested in doing so.
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4 points,1 year ago
How do you conclude 'cause a major frenzy'? I think the target audience is mainly merchants.. they probably have some wealth to start with right? and they do have to pay a ticket price to get in to the conference as well? Have you watched the videos of the past conferences? Have you realized they are the groundbreakers in venezuela? Do you know their trackrecord? Do you know the number of off-spring projects that came out from this? I know it seems expensive and it probably is, but the value of this is very high in my opinion.
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0 points,1 year ago
None of the description says merchants. My contention is that much this giveaway money was never paid but was pocketed. Only a small amount made it past. Trusting and track record is important but so is verification.

$20-$25 is a lot of money in Venezuela for a giveaway and if this was paid, she can point to the wallet which she used to pay it with. Wont take more than a minute.

By counting expenses the cost comes to $123/person which is utterly unbelievable. We don't want to believe that budgets are being inflated and trusted money is being pocketed but this is all too common.
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1 point,1 year ago
This is really insulting. I do not know your identity, while my identity is totally open for everyone to know who is representing this project.

You do not know me as a person, so, I request you show respect and do not make personal judgments about me.

I ask myself. Who are you and why is it so important for you that this proposal does not pass? What do you get out of it?
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0 points,1 year ago
I am going to check your numbers buddy. Someone told me you are having this kind of attitude against also other proposals apparently posting false numbers.... I am skeptical for now for this reason to your comments.
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1 point,1 year ago
Here is the report https://dashwatch.org/files/1527511141860.pdf

Cost 71.870 USD + 20.000 USD Expenses For 741 People
Cost per person including expenses : $123
Giveaway component claimed per person: $26.99
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5 points,1 year ago
Dash is getting more traction in Venezuela from this project, than from any other project. Several people, and DashWatch have been over the budget figures with a fine tooth comb, and event costs are exactly what Eugenia says they are. A significant percentage of the costs are used to load the new wallets with Dash so attendees can actually see Dash in action.

The cost per attendee is well in line with other large crypto conferences, if not a little cheaper. The number of merchants that accept Dash in Venezuela is a direct and measurable outcome, and largely from these events. In my estimation, anybody throwing figures around that are more than 50 bucks a person, has an agenda or is bad at math.

This is not the time to waver in our commitment to turn Venezuela into a showcase for how Dash can repair an economy damaged by terrible fiscal policy by the government/banking industry.

Voting yes of course,

solarguy
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-1 point,1 year ago
@Solarguy - Dashwatch has clarified on top that the conference costs between $80-$100 per person as I originally calculated.
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0 points,1 year ago
This is not true. Please, MNOs read the DASH Watch report.
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2 points,1 year ago
Well pickles. My apologies. Good on you for doing the math and sticking to your guns.

Still voting yes. Still the most traction we are getting in Venezuela.

solarguy
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3 points,1 year ago
Dash Watch May 28th 2018 Report on
DASH Venezuela - 31 EVENTS = 13 CITIES = 1600 PEOPLE​ by algodonfranelas
https://dashwatch.org/files/1527511141860.pdf
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1 point,1 year ago
Your report states that there were 741 attendees for a conference that cost USD 71.820 plus USD 20.000 was claimed for expenses. If this is correct, then can you make clear how is the average cost is $47? Also, did you verify numbers by giveaways?
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1 point,1 year ago
This works out to a cost of $96.92 or $123.92 per participant if you include expenses. Can you share your own calculations which show it is $47?
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-1 point,1 year ago
Jeremy, did you not read the DashWatch report? The link has been provided for you several time. Here it is again:

https://dashwatch.org/files/1527298774923.pdf

Their conclusion agrees with Eugenia's stated figures of more like 50 dollars per person. Your posts with the same incorrect information are unhelpful to the further discussion of this important proposal.

solarguy
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2 points,1 year ago
I did but they are really are really bad at match. I am taking the figures from yesterdays report.

https://dashwatch.org/files/1527511141860.pdf

8th Dash Conference - 674 attendees and 67 Dash City Entrepreneurs : 71.870 USD

PLUS EXPENSES 20.000 USD

Total Attendees 741. Total Cost 71.870 USD(assuming no expenses). What is the average cost? ($96)

I am waiting for DashWatch's response. Am I wrong Dash Watch?
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2 points,1 year ago
Hi Everyone, I'll be going to Venezuela for this conference to speak and also to see the whole Dash Project over there and how developed it is, Stay tuned for some videos documentary style about Dash In Venezuela. This will be in EN, ES, and PT and I hope to clarify some doubts about the Dash Program there. Core Team mention about hire a Country manager for Venezuela due to is potential. I am sure you won't be disappointed with the content that will be created there in the next few days and I'll share all the info I'll learn with the Dash Community. Venezuela has been Key to promote Dash, as Ryan him self twitted it becacame the number one country to access Dash.org website.
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2 points,1 year ago
voting yes, but please keep in mind with the price drop, we all need to tighten our belts until we have a price recovery.
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0 points,1 year ago
Thank you for your support. I look forward to any suggestions you may have in how to keep the work going and still tighten our belts.
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2 points,1 year ago
Voted Yes, all the best to Dash Venezuela!
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0 points,1 year ago
Thank you for your support.
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1 point,1 year ago
voting YES once again to this Venezuelan crew.
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0 points,1 year ago
Thank you very much.
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1 point,1 year ago
Venezuela is infact one of the richest countries in the world but it cannot realise that wealth due to US sanctions and its currency. If Venezuela establishes DASH as its primary currency the country will have a solid currency which is uncensorable. Venezuela would then be able to invest in its petroleum industry and bypass sanctions.

Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world more than Saudi Arabi, Canada, Iraq or Iran.

See this reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves

If we establish DASH in Venezuela, which is looking increasingly likely if we keep sponsoring these conferences and promotional activities in Venezuela the wealth of this oil rich country will transfer to its currency. If that currency is DASH we will see a huge increase in the DASH price. The valuation of Venezuela oil is around 14.5 Trillion USD. That is excluding its oil Sands oil. The oil Sands reserves are higher than the entire world's reserves from every country combined:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_Venezuela

Crude oil is not just used to produce gasoline to fuel transport. It is also used to make all plastics. Look around your room how many objects contain plastic of one form or another? Pharmaceuticals have their base from oil, Fertilizers and pesticides all require oil. Refrigeration, paints and protective coatings all require oil. A country that has large oil deposits is a very wealthy nation if it has a sound currency and if it free to trade. If we can establish DASH as the national currency of Venezuela the country will then be able to get back on its feet and gain access to these tremendous natural oil resources. The oil resources alone, excluding oil Sands is valued at 14.5 Trillion USD for a nation with only 32 million people.

Think for a moment. Imagine the immense wealth that would be released if Venezuela has a sound, uncensurable currency like DASH. Imagine what that would do to the DASH price? It would explode the price.

Sponsoring these conferences is a small low risk investment with a huge upside return if we can help convert Venezuela to DASH. The Venezuela teams are making tremendous headways to establishing DASH as Venezuela's national currency. We need to focus and provide these teams as much support as we possibly can to make this happen. The rewards for DASH are astronomical if we are successful in establishing DASH as the national currency in Venezuela. All we have to do is keep focused and keep supporting these Venezuela projects. Keep on track supporting these teams who are giving their all to establish DASH in Venezuela. These conferences are a small investment compared to the huge return on investment once Venezuela converts to using DASH.

Currently DASH treasury is sponsoring too many unfocused projects. If we focus all our energy and time and money on Venezuela we can convert the country and once that happens Venezuela can unlock is 14.5 Trillion dollars worth of crude oil and its other natural resources with the world leading to great wealth for the nation. Look at Saudi Arabia how wealthy that country is. However from the reference I have given above Venezuela has more oil that Saudi Arabia. IT just needs a sound, uncensurable currency like DASH establish. The Venezuelan people with then do the rest. These conferences are a small price to pay for the return we will get with DASH as a currency in a country plus the world wide news that will generate. It would be the best advertisement that DASH could ever dream of. I cannot think of any DASH projects with such a huge upside return on investment if we can achieve our goal. But in order to do that we need to stand behind these teams with our funding. It is happening already let us keep it going by voting for these Venezuela projects.

Voting YES
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3 points,1 year ago
One of the few countries, quite possibly the only country, likely to adopt cryptocurrency within the next decade, if ever.

Dash core has a job position dedicated to Venezuela.

We are the only cryptocurrency with a wide support team on the ground.

Not sure why this isn't seeing stronger support from the network. The writing is on the wall. Speculation phase is over. We need adoption.
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0 points,1 year ago
Thank you. I hope we still have time.
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2 points,1 year ago
Because of some concerns in the community Dash Watch performed an audit on Dash Venezuela.

A short summary of the findings:
Concern: The conferences have a cost of approximately $100 per person.
Answer: Actual conference cost: approximately $47-57 per person.

Concern: Several people claimed that they were not being fairly compensated.
Answer: Based on information provided by the proposal owner, it appears that employees were compensated fairly and according to their agreement.

Concern: Costs for the events are higher than they should be given the cost of living in Venezuela.
Answer: Dash Watch has reviewed Dash Venezuela invoices and Dash transactions through May and has found that they correspond directly to the amounts listed in the proposal budgets.

A more detailed analysis can be found in our Community Concern Report:
https://dashwatch.org/files/1527298774923.pdf
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2 points,1 year ago
Thank you DashWatch for doing this audit. Finally we have a recognized and trusted independent assessment of this proposal.

In case people don't know who DashWatch is they are a Dash funded project that undertake in-depth analysis of the each of the dash projects. They study the pre proposals, proposals and they speak with the team leaders and collate all the information to create an executive summary that is unbiased.
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1 point,1 year ago
Thank you!
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0 points,1 year ago
Shouldn't these events start to get less expensive now ? start-up cost have been made, yet still 75 dollars per Venezuelan person that attends. Furthermore we all need to tighten up our bets. I would the prices go down per attend, or a much much much better breakdown explaining why this is not ridicules.

I am sorry but I feel like your taking Dash for a ride. (so this time is a NO)
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3 points,1 year ago
See this link for the Dash Watch independent analysis of this proposal: https://dashwatch.org/files/1527298774923.pdf
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2 points,1 year ago
Hello @A_node_to_a_Master see the assessment below made by DashWatch they undertook an in-depth analysis of this proposal and found that the attendee cost was $47 - $57 per attendee and that the costs breakdown for the conference given by this proposal is accurate.
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4 points,1 year ago
Hello.

I respect and take into consideration everyone's point of view and contribution, whether they are a Masternode Owner or not. So, your opinion is so important to me and my team as everyone else's.

I am really sorry you think "I am taking Dash for a ride".

I really do not know where do get that from. I do not know how to make cost lower but keeping the same quality and quantity we are getting.

Maybe you do not know that, even though my working hours, my level of responsibility and my level of public exposure in such a complicated country like mine has done nothing but increase, the fee that I earn has not gone up since November 2017.

For example, today, Saturday, me and part of my team are in this event organized by another company, because we have become so important and famous (and we have positioned DASH so well) that they have invited me to make one presentation in the morning and another in the afternoon (and I am not earning one dime more for this participation).

Please, take into consideration all that we have achieved. We have been able to make college professors, TV networks, journalists, companies and entrepreneurs talk about DASH as an example of cryptocurrencies, preferring it on top of bitcoin.

Dash Core CEO Ryan Taylor himself has acknowledged the importance of the work being done in Venezuela by my team and all of the other teams who came following our lead.

Venezuela is the second country to download the DASH Wallet, the second to enter the Dash.org web page. There are more than 20 new communities that we are supporting, more than 5 projects that we work in alliance with, and more than 200 merchants accepting DASH as payment or donation.

Also, please note that we have introduced our pre-proposals, and there are few MNOs who read and comment in that thread. So, we think everything is OK and we get our proposal up. Maybe you have more specific suggestions for our next conference, and maybe other MNOs can cheap in into the conversation.

Please, take a look to all the results we have reported, and take that into consideration to make up your mind.
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0 points,1 year ago
Thank you for you're answer, I was not aware of the of the points you are addressing here, counting merchants at location, giving presentations, considerably increase the value, so much so that I changed my votes to yes.
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2 points,1 year ago
Voting yes. These conferences not only are educating the people and merchants attending the event, they are also enabling the Venezuela teams to build invaluable connections and social networks of people that are going on to actively promote DASH.

The events also gain mainstream media attention in Venezuela and Eugenia has been on a number of TV shows talking about DASH as a consequence. These TV interviews are most likely not to have happened without these high quality conferences.

Here are a few links to the interviews with Eugenia on Venezuelan TV about DASH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYZPmnEkO50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnK64l1AWTU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwfeu0WNJZE

The conferences bring many more opportunities than just the attendees and merchants attending.

Venezuelan people learn primarily through making social connections and interactions. The conferences are an important means for these social connections and networks to be established.

We are making tremendous progress in Venezuela thanks to the hard work of these conferences and the teams behind them.

Voting YES!
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2 points,1 year ago
How practical is it to keep spending $80-$100 per venezuelan participant to attend a conference? We just spent 330 Dash on the same exact thing last month.
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0 points,1 year ago
It is noted that jeremy54 is not displayed here as an MNO so does he really have the MNO interest first and foremost? The reason I ask this question is because it is noted that jeremy54 is raising the same point with inaccurate values for conference attendees several times. Not just in this proposal but also in the last proposal where jeremy54 was already corrected as quoting inaccurate values. jeremy54 comments could have been classed as a positive contribution to the discussion however he is not now using the correct $ amount for the attendees which means this is detracting from his comments. The correct value per attendees is around $50 per attendee as was demonstrated in the last proposal posted by Eugenia. If you can use the correct values per attendee i.e. $50 per attendee Jeremy54 then continue your argument your contributions would be a positive one to this debate. Otherwise you are not contributing positively to this debate and therefore you are misleading people with inaccurate data. I suggest you stop quoting $80 - $100 per attendee when it has already been demonstrated you previously that it was closer to $50 per attendee. If you disagree with that value then state how you disagree with the value. Otherwise your contribution is not helpful.
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1 point,1 year ago
Hi Deepblue,

I work in the events industry in the state of Arizona. My contention here and before was that the cost of hosting a conference appears to be high based on industry figures.

If you add up $74570 and $5500, it comes up to $80,000 for a capacity of 1000 people. That is an overall $80/ person in case they are able to fill 100% of the seats with new and unique participants. Please correct me if I am missing something.

They can point to the giveaway transactions on the wallet which can provide figures for the actual attendance.

Jeremy
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0 points,1 year ago
Hello @Jeremy54 Dash watch undertook an independent unbiased audit of the costs of the conference. The conclusion was that all costs to create this conference were accurately represented in the budget and correctly accounted and the amounts are a fair price for a conference of this size and quality in Venezuela. In addition the cost per participant is between $47 to $50 other concerns raised by others were also addressed in the report and Dash Watch gave backing that what Eugenia has been saying is accurate. I recommend you refer to the report produced by DASH Watch here:
https://dashwatch.org/files/1527298774923.pdf
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0 points,1 year ago
Hello Jeremy54, you have made the same comments in the last Venezuela proposal and Eugenia already corrected you giving links to the data that backs up the cost is closer to $49 per person per conference. However you did not respond to Eugenia's last response in the last proposal.

So to save time I will post again Eugenia's response here again along with all the URL references. Eugenia has previously requested for you to check the figures based on the proposal however it appears you did not respond to Eugenia's clarification that is is $49 per attendee. If you are not willing to respond and just repeat the same thing without then your contribution is not helpful.

Here again is the posting from Eugenia addressing your issue on the cost per person plus the URL references so you can look up the information yourself that she posted in the last proposal.

Eugenia's response to your comments in the last Venezuela proposal:

https://www.dashcentral.org/p/DASH-Venezuela-13-cities-1600-people

-------------Start of Eugenia's response to your values given in the last proposal: -------------

If you take the time to read carefully our proposal, our pre-proposal and the explanation I gave in the comments in this thread, you will see the detailed budget and you will be able to understand that the cost is NOT as high as you think...

In our pre-proposal threads you have the names and often the contact information of our providers. The community members are free to get in touch with them and validate the information we are posting in our reports.

The cost per person is of USD 49.

That without taking in consideration the thousands of people we reach through TV, radio and the press.

Please, read carefully, I think you will find all the information you need to know here:
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/pre-proposal-dash-conference-venezuela.15285/page-8#post-182671

--------------------------End of Eugenia's response from the last proposal-----------------

If you disagree with Eugenia's value of $49 per person per can you show precisely how Eugenia's calculation of $49 per person per event is inaccurate. You have only just kept repeating the same numbers without actually addressing Eugenia's reply.

In addition I gave you the links to TV broadcasts and interviews that came about as a consequence of the conferences. Therefore are you saying that it was not worth this?

If we do budget cheap conferences as you want they will not have the same effect as a premium quality event that is on a par with any crypto conference held anywhere in the world.

In addition all of the networking and contact building that goes on at these events is invaluable.

If you wish to continue the discussion in a fair way. Could you comment on Eugenia's feedback she gave you previously on the cost of the events being around $49 per person and if you can show how you disgree with the values. If you cannot do this then honestly your contribution is not helpful Jeremy54. I am sure your aim is to add positively to this debate and I personally welcome constructive comments. So if you could address the issues it could move the discussion forward.

Note from my personal perspective even if it where to cost $80 per person per event the amount or return on that investment is still worthwhile for the networking, for the fact that the attendees go out and convert other people in the community to using DASH. That could easily be 2 to 3 times more than the conference attendees. In addition the fact that these events generate TV and radio interviews that go to hundreds of thousands of people across the country raising awareness of DASH again is invaluable PR.

Have you looked at these TV interviews with Eugenia on national Venezuelan TV talking about DASH? These came about as a consequence of the high quality conferences. These would not have come about if we did it on the cheap.

Could you comment on these TV interviews with Eugenia on National TV:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYZPmnEkO50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnK64l1AWTU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwfeu0WNJZE

If you do not answer these questions jeremy it is only natural for people to question your motives. We want a healthy positive debate not a witch hunt. You may well work in events and you may well be able to do it cheaper. However I don't think you can do it cheaper if you maintain the same level of standards that these events are. Security, high quality Catering for everyone, Premium quality hotels, Top speakers, A whole day event with merchants selling DASH products high quality recordings of the event.

DeepBlue
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0 points,1 year ago
Hi Deepblue,

Dashwatch has confirmed that this costs $80-$100 per person plus $20.000 expenses. You can see their post on top.

Jeremy
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1 point,1 year ago
Hello, Jeremy54.

if you take the time to read the plan of DASH Caracas, you can see that we proposed a year long Conference Cycle in Caracas, a total of 12 conferences. This is the 9th of 12, that we are going to hold in June. The final conference of the cycle will take place in September, after which we will have different kinds of activities to keep positioned in the crypto scene in Venezuela.

This cycle has had results beyond our expectations, not only in numbers, but also in innumerable new ideas, projects, proposals, teams, alliances and connections. On the other hand, we have managed to get DASH on top of mind everyday a little more.

I invite you once more to carefully read our threads in DASH Forum:

DASH Caracas: https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/pre-proposal-dash-conference-venezuela.15285/
DASH Venezuela: https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dash-venezuela.30000/

And in case you have a suggestion of an alternative on how we are doing things, we are eager to know your ideas.

Thank you for reading all of our proposals.

Greetings!
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2 points,1 year ago
Thanks for that. Can you share the transaction data for all the giveaways from your conferences on the blockchain explorer. This will go some way in assuring the community about the attendance in you conferences.
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0 points,1 year ago
OK, I will discuss it with my team to see how we can achieve that. Do you recomend a procedure to do that?
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0 points,1 year ago
You can point to the wallet address that made all the payments to the participants.
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0 points,1 year ago
OK, thank you.
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2 points,1 year ago
Sorry, but I don't think you're seeing the big picture here.
~27% of the Conference budget goes directly to attendant's wallets (thats about 1k wallets per Conference) in a City where more than 100 stores/merchants accepts Dash.

In the past proposal you were answered that your calculation is wrong and the cost per attendant is about $50.

Have you been to their conference already? I did and it's on par with other big and international crypto conferences. For instance, there will be a conference in Bogotá, Colombia next month and the ticket is $79.

The Dash Venezuela Team is doing way more than just the conference, they are doing everything to spread the word about Dash in Venezuela, frequently being invited to TV shows, Radio interviews and helping merchants to start accepting Dash.

Please take a look on DiscoverDash and check if you can see any other place in the world with more merchants than Caracas: https://discoverdash.com/?select=&lp_s_loc=Caracas&lp_s_tag=&lp_s_cat=&s=home&post_type=listing

We just spent 330 Dash on the same exact thing last month.
And if they keep going for 2 or 3 months more Venezuela will become the country with more downloads to our wallets in the world, (it's 2nd right now, behind US only), take into account that Dash possible market in US is of 254,697,400 users while in Venezuela it's of 12,754,280 users . (Population X Internet penetration, Data from Google).
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0 points,1 year ago
Yes from me, good luck.
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1 point,1 year ago
Thank you very much for your support!
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3 points,1 year ago
I wanted to publicly thank Eugenia for being very helpful in reconciling some questions and complaints from the community. What you all and others are doing in Venezuela is an enormous undertaking and I think you're doing a great job, especially in keeping with the original vision for Dash as a large DAO with many sub-DAOs. Keep doing what you're doing!
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1 point,1 year ago
Thank you very much, Arthyron. We appreciate a lot the time you have dedicated to truly understand our work, we will keep on doing our job and taking tha MNOs expextations and suggestions into consideration. Stay tuned...
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1 point,1 year ago
A visit from Rodrigo! Fantastic idea!!! YES
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0 points,1 year ago
Thanks for your support! I hope you can come very soon!
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1 point,1 year ago
Good accountability. Responsive to the concerns of the Dash community. Demonstrated results. I agree, keep pushing in Venezuela.

solarguy
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0 points,1 year ago
Thank you very much for your support!
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1 point,1 year ago
We are making big moves in Venezuela. Ryan Taylor has tweeted about the traffic Dash website is getting from Venezuela. Also, Miami Crytpo Exchange just launched with a partnership with Dash and focus on Latin America

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2018/05/16/mercury-cash-launches-miami-crypto-exchange-mcex-powered-by-alphapoint/

We have to keep pushing forward here. I strongly believe we are going to reach of precipice where our network is going to take off in a massive way.

Thanks to everyone for all the hard work!
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0 points,1 year ago
Thank you RobbyDash01!

We were very happy to see the tweet from Ryan Taylor, and to know that the work we do everyday with such passion has positive results for DASH, at the same time of being an alternative for all Venezuelans to get out of the crisis, by massive adoption of DASH.
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